Topic: Quickseller vs Legendster - page 3. (Read 3794 times)

Faucets which are still being payed have some sort of game-like feature. Eg:- freebitco.in(& sister faucet).

   -MZ

Wouldnt that be acting like a two faced hypocrite? What difference would there be between a potential scammer and me ?

(lets face it everyone is a potential scammer unless proven otherwise)
The only reason I have been able to do business here since the day I joined this forum was because of the transparency with which I conduct business.

And yes I could have simply avoided this by not posting about it here but the fact that I DID should account for my character. Being an old member here I really didnt that I'd have to testify my character time & time again especially to guys like Quickseller.

to sort this things out, id suggest you delete your thread which contains the link to your JAM listing, if you didnt posted that link here, im sure this issue wont happen, it will stay in JAM wether the community there will trust you or not

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You could consider his reputation is the collateral. A newbie asking for a loan without a collateral is really asking without a collateral because his reputation is negligeable.
In the case of OP it's not.

Since this issue is public, I would also like to ask Quicky to explain the reason for his current negative trust on my profile - which has shifted from - me not accepting escrow (false) to me asking a loan on BTCJAM with a flawless TRUSTED profile.

Does he genuinely expect me to provide all the multiple investors on Jam with a form of collateral for their investment ?
Is everyone on jam asking for a loan providing a collateral ?
If not then on what basis is he ruining my trust score ?

There are other advertisers who support faucets, like I have personally used adbrite in some of my old blogs in 2007. Though they are now defunct and I am not into internet marketing anymore. However the point still remains, that faucets are getting revenues through adverts whether it be from adsense or any other ad exchange.

What I could personally verify was that the puddle network was very popular and had a LOT of traffic in december.

But now that you say that adsense suspends faucet accounts, I will have to reconsider my approach as it very well could be the reason why he is trying to sell off these sites.

PS: The guy has been trying to talk me into purchasing these sites without the loan and has went to the extent of agreeing to a payment plan and reducing the asking price.

FYI you can't put AdSense on a faucet website, it is against the AdSense TOS. I know there are some faucets that do this, but once they reach the payment threshold their account will be suspended.

How many websites do you operate ?
Are you setup on adsense ?
Have any of your sites had a decent traffic to generate a revenue from adverts ?
If not then your opinion in this matter is worthless, if you DO, then tell me about it instead of ruining my reputation which I have worked hard to maintain.
Since you chose the later path, your reputation is now at stake.

There are a lot of scams on btcjam. The way their platform is setup makes it very easy for scammers to operate.

To date I have not seen one person that I trust make any kind of analysis to suggest the faucets in question are worth their asking price. With the exception of yourself, I have not seen anyone suggest the faucets are worth anything period.

Welcome to BTCJAM.

Okay
I have my doubts, however depending on what you ask me to hold I may be willing to help. There area number of others willing to help as well.
Correct. Right now a total of less then .2 of your loan has been funded including multiple investments from two people (strange)

Scammers might be afraid of you I am not, get that embedded into your head. I have my personal details including my pan card and residential address with admins of this forum, if I were here to scam I wouldnt be as open about any of my dealings or my identity here on this forum.

and Cut the crap, I am seriously asking you to escrow. Show us how serious you are.

*Also, If I dont see any community interest in funding my loan that would also point out that my analysis of the puddle network is inaccurate and there is no way that it can sustain itself AND pay off the loan with which it was bought for.

This is very vague, and I really don't see the point you are trying to make in this statement.
If capital is not available to a business then they will not make the investment. There is a reason why your loan has not funded on BTCjam yet (as well as why the funding commitment is so little).
TBH you are starting to sound a lot like TECHSHARE and a lot of people have lost a lot of respect for him for how he has acted recently (despite his actual solid trading history - verses your lack thereof)
Making this a requirement would generally be a conflict of interest. My point is that someone who is trusted should be holding collateral. Your negative trust that you left me implies that you would not seriously ask me to escrow for you.

I have been pretty successful in finding and pointing out scams so far. I have been told by a number of people that the reason scammers hate me is because they are afraid of me

You are a very confused person. You want everyone here to follow your steps ? To conduct themselves how YOU conduct yourself ? Which is completely mundane off course that would land you in hot waters my friend.

If you actually understood how business in real world is done then you would understand that not everyone is sitting on a cash bed just ready to invest at a moment's notice and MOST businesses are backed by multiple investors where the reputation of the borrower and the business is taken into consideration.

I have said what I wanted to say and your idiocy and hypocrisy here is now evident for everyone to witness and judge.

Why dont you show us how trust worthy you really are by being the escrow for my borrowers with collateral on my lending thread ?


If not, then good luck with your idiotic vigilantism I am sure you will turn out to be either a great failure or quite the opposite, chances for the later to happen are slim though.

I am not on trial here, you are. By creating this thread you are soliciting the support of the community to back you up to show that you are not a scammer.
The new thread will not necessarily be read as much as the self moderated thread. This is especially the case for lending threads. No one is realistically going to post in a thread that I created to ask you for a loan.

I can say that I have my own self moderated lending thread of my own. However I am extremely conservative  with my moderation. I am fairly certain that the number of people that have created self moderated threads for non-scammy reasons in the marketplace sections is extremely small. I probably could count them on my fingers and toes, there are over 92k topics in the marketplace. The vast majority of self moderated thread in the marketplace are started by scammers, and the major reason to have a self moderated thread is to keep away the spammers, as in people who are getting paid to post and add nothing of value to the thread. Deleting a post that is trolling is not a valid reason to delete a post in the vast majority of circumstances (in order for it to be potentially a valid reason, they would need to have made their point a number of times)
If you are going to receive 60 BTC (minus the fee of the platform) from a loan if/when it become fully funded then you are asking for a 60 BTC loan. The asking price of what you are buying does not matter.
Untrusted trade history is just that, it is not trusted, I do not give any value to it. I will review it for potential legit scam allegations that have not yet been publicly reported, however other then that it will hold zero weight for me. Having one trusted negative feedback is likely more then what most scammers have.

Though that question was not for me, but off course I would agree that MAJORITY of the people/scammers would do that. But it is also true that there is a LARGE number of new users joining this forum who actually have no intentions of scamming anyone.
They need to earn the trust and repaying loans is the best way to do that.


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Who's to say that you arent here for a long con yourself ? Trying to gain the trust of the community passively and someday pull a heist on all of us and scam someone for some big amount!

Off course I am not saying that you are here to do that but THAT IS A POSSIBILITY. How would you feel if someone judged you based on that pretext ?

You are correct, collateral is optional (it is a free market right). However I think you would also agree that the majority of people who are asking for no collateral loans have no intention of repaying if they get their loan (or are trying to build up confidence and eventually take out a large loan they will not repay).

Well above intelligence quotient ?? I doubt that.

On my Lending thread your opinion is not more important than mine, I originally had a un moderated thread which you and another user were simply using to increase your post count, hey I did that myself when I was new but I dont want that in my thread where I want to invest and make profit. I dont want you there and I follow all the general guidelines to protect myself AND the borrower, if you have a problem with my lending thread or my self moderation, then CREATE A NEW THREAD !


But there are at least a FEW legit reasons to have a self moderated thread. go do your history research about this forum with your above the par intelligence quotient and maybe you will grasp the reasons.

I am NOT asking for a 60 BTC loan, I am just asking for what the seller has asked for, if you never used BTC jam then dont try to meddle your nose into it.
If I posted a 30 BTC request and IF it reached only 25 BTC I would still be short of the actual amount which I would need to complete the purchase. I would then have to re launch ANOTHER listing to fill up the gap and the seller might never actually wait around for me to fund 2 separate listings.

AND why just 2 reports ? Wont you open my entire untrusted history and look at ALL the negative reports I have from idiots and scammers ?

No, I actually have well above intelligence quotient. Thank you for allowing me to bring this up.
I do see that you have changed your OP on your lending thread to reflect this. This still does not change the fact that you deleted my warning to have collateral held by a trusted third party.

EDIT: I do see that you did make an edit to reflect that escrow will be used prior to creating this thread so I will remove my trust about you deleting my comment about having all collateral being held by a trusted third party. You are however still asking for a 60 BTC loan without collateral despite your dispute about this fact
There is very little legit reason to have a self moderated thread. People with negative trust should really not have the ability to start self moderated threads. I understand that people with scammer tags were not able to edit their posts when scammer tags were around.
Yes you are. Just because you would get the loan from several lenders does not mean you are asking for any less amount of money.

It looks like you have two negative reports.