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Topic: r0ach's Cryptomarkets Watch & Scamcoin Observer - page 23. (Read 47247 times)

legendary
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It has to do with the theoretical ideal currency in terms of energy. Gold may not be energy in itself, but if you think about it, gold is proof-of-spent-energy. All metals are. Some need more energy to reach their final state, others less energy. Metals are like tokens of energy. They cannot be turned into energy, but they can be traded to someone who would otherwise need to spend energy to dig them up or process them. On top of that, gold is also universally accepted and converted to local fiat. So you have an indirect connection between energy, commodities and fiat.
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So no, from a rational point of view, gold doesn't actually make the most sense unless it can be easily converted, or you're living in a pre-industrial revolution civilization.

In most countries gold can be easily converted to local fiat and that makes it a sound alternative currency.

You took my statement completely out of context.  I was talking about a conversion of a commodity/resource to energy, NOT convertibility to fiat.
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mprep needs to be careful about deleting content that is relevant to the thread. Here I have rephrased to make it more clear that my deleted posts were relevant...


Note I had written similar explanations several times, including this published essay (but note I didn't understand at the time of that published essay that gold is just a hedge against government and the hyperinflation is not the normal outcome, which are both facts I learned from Martin Armstrong).



Granted you may be actively trading and planning on stopping out before taking a big loss, sure, but that whole approach is still not really "risk averse" as I would consider the term (in the sense of owning 25% metals, 25% land, etc.)

Correct, because stop losses are losses. They are not diversification.

Anyone who is risk adverse would have a portfolio of something like 25% physical cash, 25% metals, 25% land/rental properties, 25% btc.

Anyone who has more than 25% of their liquid network in crypto (and the rest in instantly illiquid assets such as gold, cash, and land since governments routinely cancel cash, apply capital controls to gold, and can raise taxes egregiously on land causing buyers to run away) at this stage of the imminent global liquidity squeeze as interest rates rise and with the risks of CC failure due to centralization, is either very poor already and gambling with lunch money, or is a high stakes gambler and not a prudent investor.

Related to the thread topic, smooth's point about diversification, and my point that tinfoil hat type of attitude leads to ONE RIGHT WAY myopia in investing:

Anarcho-capitalism is a political philosophy that advocates the elimination of the state in favor of individual sovereignty, private property, and open markets.

Minarchism is a libertarian political philosophy which advocates for a minimal state, that is, a state that acts only on very essential functions, while all other functions are provided by the free market.

I voted that I am a Minanarchist, because I live in reality not delusion.

Crypto-anarchists' delusions lead to a totalitarian State., i.e. these tinfoil hats aren't diversified.
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no it wont. its the part of cryptos that people get rich off of
legendary
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So no, from a rational point of view, gold doesn't actually make the most sense unless it can be easily converted, or you're living in a pre-industrial revolution civilization.

In most countries gold can be easily converted to local fiat and that makes it a sound alternative currency.

We cannot prescribe a universal rule for gold's attractiveness as a diversification tool because different economies have different relative results.

If you live in the US of A, you know gold was at 1800 and is now at 1300. You are losing, in terms of your local currency, if you bought the top / ATH.

If you live elsewhere, things might be different and gold may be at an ATH right now due to currency devaluation. The gold price chart in AUD, NOK, CAD, INR, RUB, ARS, BRL etc are quite different than the USD chart... Thus gold is waaaay more attractive in certain markets compared to local fiat. Holding local fiat is what doesn't make sense under these circumstances.
legendary
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Facts are more efficient than fud
You are a Marxist because you want a total order to the universe.

Acknowledging the existence of monopolies doesn't make someone a "Marxist".

Marxists believe that the business cycle can be eliminated. You believe a more perfect money can exist. Same myopia at the highest level of abstraction which is you both don't accept that the universe is composed of partial orders, not totality.

http://cnqzu.com/library/Philosophy/neoreaction/Nick%20Land/(1998)%20LAND%20--%20Mechanomics.pdf
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You are a Marxist because you want a total order to the universe.

Acknowledging the existence of monopolies doesn't make someone a "Marxist".

Marxists believe that the business cycle can be eliminated. You believe a more perfect money can exist. Same myopia at the highest level of abstraction which is you both don't accept that the universe is composed of partial orders, not totality.

Edit: you also believe in the totality of the elite's "monopoly" control.
legendary
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You are a Marxist because you want a total order to the universe.

Acknowledging the existence of monopolies doesn't make someone a "Marxist".  That was a ridiculous comment.  I never stated I wanted to be the monopoly owner either.  It's like a sine wave, you have anarchy, the anarchy creates the power vacuum and a strongman takes over, then the strongman's monopoly implodes and breaks back down into anarchy.  Repeat to infinity.
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I'll go back to my statement about the only true sound form of money being the theoretical currency used in the transformers cartoon "energon", blocks of energy that can be redeemed at full face value at any given time regardless of externalities.  Lacking such technology, since matter and energy are interchangable, the next most likely candidate is the most easily convertable form of matter, and thus we end up with oil backed currency.

So no, from a rational point of view, gold doesn't actually make the most sense unless it can be easily converted, or you're living in a pre-industrial revolution civilization.  But the problem is, the oil, or most energy sources in general can be cheated with fractional reserve or inflation, so here we are with Bitcoin because gold has lack of granularity, high friction in use, and the same counterparty risk as the oil dollar when it has to go in vaults and be used with IOUs.

And crypto-currency can't remain decentralized. So again there is no ONE RIGHT WAY.

Never will be.

You are a Marxist because you want a total order to the universe.

Learn to accept the reason we can't have a total order. I explained it already about the speed-of-light must be finite else past and future collapse into the same nothingness.
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TPTB are not entirely in control. Marxism and the entropic force is driving the current outcome, i.e. the Second Law of Thermodynamics. Read my 2010 essay, "Understand Everything Fundamentally".
legendary
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Tinfoil hats are actually Marxists, because they think central command is possible

Maybe you just lack ambition.

"When Alexander saw the breadth of his domain, he wept for there were no more worlds to conquer."

or even that gold is some exceptional form of money (as if there is ONE RIGHT WAY)

I'll go back to my statement about the only true sound form of money being the theoretical currency used in the transformers cartoon "energon", blocks of energy that can be redeemed at full face value at any given time regardless of externalities.  Lacking such technology, since matter and energy are interchangable, the next most likely candidate is the most easily convertable form of matter, and thus we end up with oil backed currency.

So no, from a rational point of view, gold doesn't actually make the most sense unless it can be easily converted, or you're living in a pre-industrial revolution civilization.  But the problem is, the oil, or most energy sources in general that act as commodities, can be cheated with fractional reserve, so here we are with Bitcoin because gold has lack of granularity, high friction in use, and the same counterparty risk as the oil dollar when it has to go in vaults and be used with IOUs.
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It is a centrally administered game that will end with a black swan event or controlled demolition by the people who run it, not an orderly walk to the exits predicted by "capital flows".

I emphatically disagree! You think nature died and the Second Law of Thermodynamics has been voided.

Tinfoil hats are actually Marxists, because they think central command is possible or even that gold is some exceptional form of money (as if there is ONE RIGHT WAY).



BitFomo, the argument that the government won't care about the securities law violations in crypto IPOs, instamines, PoS coins, masternode coins, coins paying debasement to the developers (Z.cash), seems reasonable because the elite have bigger fish to fry.

However, the period of 2018 to 2020 is going to be utter scorched earth economic collapse followed by a coordinated monetary reform into a one-world reserve currency system, thus we could see governments become very totalitarian in terms of going after all illegal actions wherein they can confiscate people's money due to some law broken. They will hunt those with significant money, not nickels and dimes.

I would steer clear of violating laws as much as possible, if you have any money. As for thinking you can hide your money from the government in Bitcoin, the centralization (centralized control) of Bitcoin will eventually kill that.

Do you really think TPTB, the mainstream capital flows that are short the dollar+gold+Bitcoin, and the world's socialism is going to allow the "rich" (i.e. the upper middle class) to ride away with gains in gold and Bitcoin as the rest of the people become impoverished by the economic collapse Huh

If you want to ride through this coming apocalypse unscathed, then you need to be extra diligent on not providing simple legal justification for confiscation of your wealth.
legendary
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r0ach you will end up destitute.

That is my way of saying your conceptualization is incorrect and I don't want to waste my time repeating why. You are entitled to your delusions. Enjoy.

It is a centrally administered game that will end with a black swan event or controlled demolition by the people who run it, not an orderly walk to the exits predicted by "capital flows".  When the economic system is the equivalent of a few guys in a building flipping a lever up and down, and Armstrong doesn't even attempt to identify who the players are, it's a complete joke.  In fact, he does the exact opposite, assumes everyone will figure it out, then tries to defend them haha:

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/history/europes-economic-history/jewish-bankers-vs-all-bankers/

ALL I care about is being on the right side of the trade when they inevitably flip the switch in the near future, or the black swan event that occurs before they do it where no human on earth is going to get it right except by sheer luck.
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r0ach you will end up destitute.

That is my way of saying your conceptualization is incorrect and I don't want to waste my time repeating why. You are entitled to your delusions. Enjoy.
legendary
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2. On 2015.75, was precisely the event that began WW3 and the stage of the conflict that sent the migrants invading Europe:

Actions like this are not due to capital movements.  In America, George Soros funded Black Lives Matter in order to try and create a buffer between the Jewish financiers and the angry masses who would come after them with pitchforks.  They attempted to give them a more immediate problem to deal with, a buffer.  I'm sure the Muslim invasion in Europe is no different.  Kill two birds with one stone.  Give the "goys" some enormous problem to deal with where they have no possibility at all of even thinking about going after bankers like in Iceland, while also aligning them against the Zionist's most immediate threat...the angry muslims.

It is a scorched earth strategy designed to benefit one group.  It has absolutely nothing to do with capital flows.  You should really stop pushing Armstrong.  I don't believe a single word the guy says.  He also predicted DOW 32,000 by 2015.  He's likely just another shill for the tribe.  People who don't even acknowledge who the biggest players are in this rigged game are garbage as far as I'm concerned.  Now that you know my stance on Armstrong, please do not try to push him on me.
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But BTC is sterile, and PoW Mining is unprofitable unless your name is CHINA.  Wink
This is just the beginning of the Paradigm Shift from unprofitable PoW mining to profitable PoS mining.

Electricity is .01 kw in Irkutsk & .025 in certain parts of the US.  Also the companies that are frontrunning the technology before selling the miners are likely profitable regardless of the electric rates.
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Follow up to my prior post:

QUESTION: my normal logical mind tells me that whenever interest rates rise, money gets more expensive, so consequently the only true reason for doing so would be that underlying economic data shows the economy is doing well and can do without ‘help’.

A simple mind like I am tells me that a stock index should rise in case of a well doing economy. Instead I only hear markets fear a interest rate hike. Seems to me that the collective wants interest rates remain low, so stockindex growth driven higher by debt.

ANSWER: The fundamentals flipped after the shift from a private to public wave following 1929. Under the pre-1929 economics of laissez-faire, the government did not attempt to manipulate society with monetary policy. They attempted to lower U.S. interest rates to deflect capital inflows back to Europe, but they did not practice manipulating interest rates domestically to try to manage the economy. Therefore, raising interest rates before 1929 was often seen as bullish because it showed there was a demand for borrowing money due to economic expansion.

Today, the fundamentals are interpreted through the eyes of Marxism. Raising interest rates is now considered a punishment to society intended to deter them from borrowing. Yet, deflation involves declining interest rates due to the lack of interest to borrow. Some say that higher rates are bad for stocks, but they are solely looking at it as a punitive measure that will cost people more to borrow. You even have people cheering gold with lower interest rates.

None of this makes any sense economically. Nonetheless, we are looking at a sharp rise in stocks and gold along with rising interest rates, which will confuse everyone. Interest rates are the manifestation of expected inflation. If you think inflation will be 10%, you will lose money if you lend it at 5%. Interest rates are the price of expected inflation alongside the perceived risk.

Therefore, everything will take off to the upside and the majority, whom will be following the Marxist version of fundamentals, will feed the rally because they will be short. This view of fundamentals will eventually flip back, but only when the public at large sees this flip and goes with it. That is the point of no return where confidence in government collapses.
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legendary
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funny that alts have been gaining market share for quite a while now. Smiley

Do you remember a couple months ago when NXT had something like a 5 million dollar market cap with 15 BTC buy support on the only exchange it's traded at?  That guy Kiklo is constantly spamming advertisement for some PoS coin he's a bagholder on that probably isn't even traded on an exchange, yet someone still awarded it a market cap somehow.

LOL,  Cheesy
KIKLO
JOIN THE ALT SIDE


 Cool

FYI:
Thanks for the Undeserved Credit,
But BTC is sterile, and PoW Mining is unprofitable unless your name is CHINA.  Wink
This is just the beginning of the Paradigm Shift from unprofitable PoW mining to profitable PoS mining.

FYI2:
We have got to work on your reading comprehension, r0ach.
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some PoS coin he's a bagholder on that probably isn't even traded on an exchange

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