Topic: Re: Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s - page 101. (Read 96796 times)

This is more than unprofessional, this is criminal. Fraud is a crime in all countries.

Black Arrow is selling X-3 miners (batch 2) on their website with a shipping date of 15 May 2014 (today).

110 BTC  lost for me and that's without any overclocking or so called compensation units

BTC15.318

Very True, thanks for pointing that out.

Yea but even their thread says advertised from $2.97 GH/s.  So I do not see a reason to adjust this until they are as confident in that as they seem to be at 100 GH/s

The $ per GH can only be calculated based on current market conditions, aka what they are currently advertised/sold for...so...

According to BA's website an

X-1
100 GH/s for $373 ------>  $3.73 $/GH

X-3
2000 GH/s for 5949.15 ------> $2.97 $/GH

We are currently being given 50% on top of that so...  (Keep in mind a new order today would not get that extra 50%)

X-1
150 GH/s for $373 ------> $2.49 $/GH

X-3
3000 GH/s for $5949.15 ------> $1.98 $/GH

What I paid so... (This will probably be different than what you paid)

I bought 8 X-1's (with compensation 1200 GH/s) for $2,919.60 or -------> $2.43 $/GH

COMPETITION (Only miners currently out)

Antminer
S1 (.468 * 450 = 210.60 per unit) + (Assume $60 for a PSU)
180 GH/s for $270.60 ------> $1.50 $/GH

S2 (Assume $400 coupon as everyone has one)
1000 GH/s for $1989 ------> $1.989 $/GH

More to Come (If I feel like doing others, feel free to add on if you want)

Moral of the story, BA is over $2/GH with the current compensation model (assuming you have an even number of units and you get the PSU for free. (To be honest I forgot to add in the extra cost for the PSU and now I dont want to go back and do it, may do it later)), the S1 is under $2/GH even adding in a $60 PSU.

EDIT: I understand this does not take into account efficiency, and only shows what Bobsag has posted pictures of which is 2 chips running at 200 GH/s

EDIT2:  Looking for where exactly BA first talked about the matching program.  If you have the page number please let me know.  Thanks

I think it's fair to assume that shipping will not start this week. It's been asked of them multiple times and it hasn't received an answer. And based on past performance, if they aren't eager to give an answer for something, it's probably because the answer isn't good.


Unless of course bobsag3 or BA wish to mention otherwise... Now is your chance....

Whew that was a mouthful, nicely said though.  BA, I think the above sums up quite nicely the sentiment around here.  Are you continuing to evaluate the compensation program?  Also are you still capable of price matching when units start to ship?  Personally, I believe everyone should just get double their order, with no more money having to be spent, I also feel that if this doesn't happen it may get pretty messy in terms of not having return customers, logistical nightmares of coordinating half finished units to customers, and many other problems that will potentially arise.

The lack of a response makes me safely assume shipping will not start this week.

I highly doubt that early June is the last stop for the delay train. When the power cost of running all those x-3s is greater than the revenue they generate I'm sure they'll be shipping them ASAP.

Thanks for the update, but no ETAs mentioned? Will X-3s start shipping before the end of this week?

Well congrats on chip performance and power usage.  Sounds like this is starting to come together after all.
I will refrain from asking more question about compensation and what not until bobsag posts the answers to the questions I gave him.

But again, congrats on this development, its been a long road, but it seems the end is near.

EDIT:  Crud, misread the earlier post.  So 1 chip is not achieving ~200 GH/s, thought I would be getting twice the hashing power in an X-1, hopefully the single chip will still be able to achieve the ~.75 W/GH mark.

Thanks, I just saw them. I'll keep an eye on that post in case you update it again.

Can we get a video or picture of the chips hashing?

They don't mention what the hashrate is for that configuration though..

We have received the SMT assembled boards.
 
We are now proud to announce that Black Arrow has the most power efficient Bitcoin ASIC on the market today.
 
A single dual chip board is hashing with absolutely no errors at 1Ghz while using 150Watt at the wall, including the PSU loss.
 
We have better efficiency than 0.75Watts/ghash at the wall.

Will minersource be handling the 25% discount on future orders?  Will those also ship with our orders and will those only be usable at your store or BA's store or both?  And finally, can they be transferable?

THanks Thomas for your help.

Also, last call for questions, got quite a list together I will be sending to Bobsag soon.  THanks