Topic: Re: Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s - page 103. (Read 96804 times)

AntMiner S1-0.5 BTC
Speed:    180 GH/S
Price:      0.5 BTC

Feb 28 2014   3,815,723,799   21.92%   27,314,015 GH/s
Mar 13 2014   4,250,217,920   11.39%   30,424,245 GH/s
Mar 24 2014   5,006,860,589   17.80%   35,840,504 GH/s
Apr 05 2014   6,119,726,089   22.23%   43,806,706 GH/s
Apr 17 2014   6,978,842,650   14.04%   49,956,502 GH/s
Apr 29 2014   8,000,872,136   14.64%   57,272,474 GH/s

Estimated Next Difficulty: 8,797,951,295 (+9.96%)

Adjust time: After 527 Blocks, About 3.3 days

Thank you for your response, I respect your feelings if you do not feel like you have been lied to and are being cheated, unfortunately I, and many/most others, do not feel the same. 

Thanks again for your work Bobsag, still awaiting your response on whether your team can get my extra units ready with a standard ATX PSU, as I do not want to send these guys another dollar, and I imagine this could make you guys a lot of money as I can imagine more people would rather pay you than remit another dollar to BA.

And this is the time that there is no way they can lie?  They obviously have test boards, who knows what they have and have gotten setup.

There are many reasons against getting a refund, maybe I already have?  Maybe I have paid with bitcoin and don't want to lose 60% of my investment, interest free, and get nothing out of it.

Oops, was watching baseball/draft and just realized that was phrased badly.  Of course I expect them to keep some and make a profit, but this first batch was entirely funded by our orders, and they have said numerous times that there isn't anything else they can do.  And yet, they are keeping untold numbers of chips, currently mining with untold number of chips, and delaying things further and further, without giving clear roads.

There is still not a timeline on when the X-1's will start to ship, and on top of that, the LCD (which apparently was such a nice feature, even though 99% of people will set up the miner either some place they visit rarely, or will never look at it) will not even work with what is looking to be the entire first batch.  Add on that they are missing specs (doesn't matter if better than antminer, still on par with spondoolies, and worse than AsicMiner (proven) and BFL (allegedly)), and I think we are entitled to some answers/compensation.  The only reason they will make a profit is because we paid for their development and run of chips.

You cant tell me you enjoy being lied to, strung along, lost money, and finally screwed over with the compensation?  And anyone who says they do not have to compensate anyone, you are plain wrong.  They clearly said at the beginning that they would match any price per GH with extra units shipped, now it seems that doesn't really matter.  Or perhaps BA knows that since they haven't shipped, it isn't worth talking about anyway.

Also, the entire delay was due to chip optimization, and yet, we are higher than the specs that were released before their "optimization process".

Bobsag, I hope you demand to see every inch of their business and let us know how many chips are currently "being tested" at their facility.

Bobsag3 should be arriving in China soon. Looking forward to an update

I absolutely did not think they wouldn't keep some, but I think we deserve to know how much they are going to make off of our investment (and our loss)
And honestly at this point you just seem like your trolling (not only this thread, but most of the ones you post in)

EDIT: yea responses on about 90% of your posts point out your trolling, while the other 10% is just ignored.

How many X-3 units are you keeping for your personal collection?

Bobsag said that when you announced your data center it would be used for the compensation package, that doesn't need to happen anymore so how many units are you guys sticking in there that you refuse to compensate us with, because that's all you can do?

EDIT: what is your current hashrate from the chips that are in now?

That only applies to batch 1 customers though. Price match should be done for every customer.

So BA continuesly says that they cannot provide any better compensation to customers, and yet as a stock of X-3's from this run at their disposal that will be enough to hash for all X-1 orders!  You are keeping extra units and telling us that nothing more can be done for making us wait and losing us literally thousands of dollars.

SCUM is all I have to say to you.

The delay train is right on time again, next stop June.

Still nothing about when anything will actually ship (besides chips that do not live up to their specifications), how about a new new delivery schedule (and no that wasn't a typo, I believe its the 3rd revised shipping schedule now.

EDIT: Glad to hear about those LCD's, that no one else has and will set these apart and will be deducted from cost against all other machines on the market, are now delaying productivity.
I assume we will not take the cost of the LCD into account when looking at what is available on the market as any manufacturer could easily stick a piece of glass into their unit.

From their forums, david said an update would be coming in the next couple of hours.

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Pokemon...

You mean all these people bitching in the forums pressuring them to get a product to the market as fast as possible has an negitive effect on quality? Say it isn't so!
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You mean they originally set there target date at end of february and totally lied and bullshitted it and its our faults for wanting our money or miners?  Say it ain't so.

And that amount of money for a subpar PSU at that.  They are leaking power, and I have a feeling, these will be attempted to be sold to unknowing individuals who BA is sure cannot test the power draw.

Brian, please get on here and calm some nerves and tell us exactly what is going on and what is being done about it.  Did the "further testing" yield positive results?  Whats happening with the PSU's?  Are all of the necessary parts in to make a complete unit that is ready to show/go?

Bobsag, when do you arrive at their factory?

Ripped from the ecointalk forums....

Not having a power supply is a pretty low move, BA need to step up with more to meet the objective of fair compensation.


Car with no engine?

Bicycle with no wheels?

Bitcoin miner with no power supply?


Say 'No!' to incomplete products 

Demand you get what you rightly paid for 

If BA want to ship 'compensation units' without a psu, how about they send back some BTC so that purchasers can buy their own? Part unit, part refund, come on BA, sweeten the deal and honour the good faith that your customers have placed in you.

We all know you can do better.

 

Are they expecting lower power consumption?  And how long are tests going on for?  Shouldn't shipping start pretty soon according to the previous timeline?

BA I think there are some questions that need answering, I will try to summarize them...

1) Based on your current testing, at what speed/power consumption will the X-1 be shipping?  The X-3?

2) Are the specs higher than anticipated and what does this mean for...
           a) the boards and other parts in the unit
           b) your end customers who have hosting/cannot run that much power from a wall outlet

3) If the power specs are higher than anticipated, will there be other compensations to make up for this?  Free hosting?

4) Is there still room to add onto the current compensation package?  Free PSU?

5) Where are we in the timeline?  Are X-3's and X-1's going to start shipping today?  Tomorrow?  Further than that?

6) With the increased power, how are temperatures looking?  Is everything still able to be handled by currently designed cases?  (BTW, it is now summer and I just had to turn off my ants as it was too hot with them on, really wish these would have heated my house in Feb, and not burn it up in summer)

7) Are HW errors becoming a problem or is it only because that is the chip overclocked?  What kind of HW errors/power usage if ran at 100 GH/s?

What are undervolting options?  I assume undervolting may be the only way to extend these things's lives.

9) I am assuming these power consumptions are based off of the chip alone?  What kind of added power are we looking at for everything else to run with it in an X-1?  An X-3?

10) How easy will it be to under/overvolt these?  Do you have screenshots of the web interface that we can expect to see?