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one of my good buddy BlackArrow's favorites, I'm sure.

Good luck finding someone to scam out of hundreds of thousands of dollars to fund your next gen asics.  the only reason you don't have the money to develop your next gen asic is because you guys fucked up this generation so badly that your ass is in the toilet.

You don't have the 'proven track record' you are trying to sell to people, which seems to be exactly what you are trying to sell people.

You do have a track record.  And it sucks.  your miners are late and obsolete, they are not competitive in the marketplace and your engineering team has designed miners that start on fire.

more important to investors, everyone that has invested their money with you as a pre-order customer has lost their ass.  



But wait, there's more!

http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/14nm-bitcoin-asic-announcement.html

So ... do we get some free units of these for our trouble??  We paid "helped" to pay for this development after all.....

Haha what a fuckin' joke!

If you are guaranteeing prices then what's the point of preorders?  Basically the people preordering now are giving you a free loan because come february everyone gets the same price anyways.  The only benefit of preordering now is if the buyer thinks that you won't have to lower prices and the current price will end up being less then market prices for similar devices at the time of shipping.

Customers who pre-order and pay now have 25% discount. Our promise is that we will ensure that customers who preorder now will always get a better deal than customers who order later.

At the same time we promise that our prices will be below market price at the time we ship.

This means that customers that preorder now will have considerable lower market prices by the time that we ship which puts them in advantage towards anybody else.

Unless Bitcoin mining stops because it becomes unprofitable for everybody else in February, our customers WILL make profit.




or this?

After a whole year of this ASIC preordering phenomenon/fiasco somehow it's starting to feel like the companies will promise you anything and everything just to get your money.  Even if it makes no sense.  What's the point of them getting capital now if they guarantee to drop the prices to whatever the market price will be in the future and have to return most of that capital?  I don't mind gambling but when the gamble is just some vague guarantee promise that isn't rooted in reality that's just one more hurdle to overcome besides the fact of sending non refundable to btc to some outfit in china and hoping for the best on a proposition that's many months away.

Everybody until now sold you hardware that they knew that you're going to loose money because 1 month later they announced something faster at a better price.
We are guaranteeing that this won't happen with us: If we drop the price you'll get even faster hardware, keeping you in front of everybody else.



or this?

I'd like to make sure I understand what you are guaranteeing.  You are saying that if I preorder now I am guaranteed a price 25% below market price.  How will market price be defined?  

Yes, you are guaranteed to get a price 25% below the market price ($/ghash) at the time of shipment.
And yes, we will keep our prices below every other company.

Bottom line is, whoever trusts us now, we promise that will help them to mine profitably after February as well. If you keep supporting other companies who have ripped you off until now, you'll barely get your ROI back.


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Get Paid Crypto To Walk or Drive
If your so confident in your products BA, why not bet me on their release?  I have already posted my offer in this post...

David, reposting screenshots is bad forum edicate, and makes you seem like an asshole for making people scroll (not that you need anymore help).  And I would never post any details of orders I have through you guys.  Although it is funny that I am currently providing more support for your fire hazard products than your company is.  Care to continue to troll?

Hey, btw, I will bet you any number of bitcoin that you want, that you will neither have a scrypt chip within specs by the end of this year, and that you will have a working 14 nm chip by the end of Q2 next year.



There is an offer that, if you really believed in your products, is a chance to make some easy quick bitcoin for yourself.  If you want, I can pool everyone here and come up with a really big amount of bitcoin that we could collectively pool to bet against your next products?  So come on, for once in your miserable life, stand behind your products.  If your not even willing to take that bet, you obviously don't believe you can deliver on time, yet again, and it should be as easy as that as to why no one will ever give you another dollar.
legendary
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Get Paid Crypto To Walk or Drive
Since you guys posted what you allegedly believed was my dox, I will do the same to you guys...

Alexandru Ion Sovu is a Romanian scammer running a fraud of a business by the name of Black Arrow.
Find their personal info here:
http://www.kiwi.nz/blackarrow/
https://www.facebook.com/alex27a
Dukesbridge House, 23 Duke Street, Reading, Berkshire, RG1 4SA
cardreaderfactory.com
http://companycheck.co.uk/director/914928330
http://black-arrow-information-technology-shenzhen-co.imexbb.com
http://alexsovu.blogspot.com

Btw, I have already started submitting that page to promotion websites, so hopefully soon, we will see that on the top pages of Google, would be great if I could get that up to the number 1 place right, good thing I only have like 8 or 9 years of SEO work, shouldn't be too hard for a no name key work like BlackArrow.

Btw, you banned my work IP, still can get to your website from my home IP, also a simple TOR at work gets me right around your page, hooray I can still read all the people flaming your sorry asses on your own forums.

You have my address now, looks like it is...
FUCK YOU
Lame ass liars and thieves
bitches, MA 25342 Hong Kong
Please go to the police with that information

Also I don't see any death threats in there, just wishes, which is not a threat.  Once again, the geniuses at BA can't tell their asses from a hole in the ground, or an X-3 from a fireplace/junk yard.

So there is undeniable proof that BA was mining with hardware.  An independent third party, with nothing to gain from calling them out, tells his story about how unethical they are and what they are doing, and yet, BA still denies it!  How stupid/low can you be?  No one believes your sorry asses!  Perhaps you have had problems with the X3 backplane and those were real, but you have been making bank with customers equipment mining with the X2 for months now.  Exactly as we all guesses/imagined.  You all really are the scum of the earth, go back to Romania and die, whoops there's another death threat.

I will be reposting all of the posts that got deleted a little later.  Thanks for the free bump, you would think that after like 10 rounds of deleting and reposting, you idiots would be smart enough to stop bumping the posts that make you look like shit.
legendary
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to profit , now, you have to cloudmine (easy way and porbably most profitable).
Here some good cloudmining:

- chabatmining (i use it)
- cloudhashers
- skycoinlab (maybe dont profitable so much)

Leo



I would agree.
That's why my last investment went to GAW Hashlets.
I was lucky enough to buy 50Kh/s for $800 with daily payout of around 0.03237296 BTC after fees.
Prime Hashlets are $40 a pop now though, but with last nights announcement you will be able to mine SHA256 or Scrypt with them and 1KH/s = 40GH/s in SHA256.
The only fee you pay is 0.01c per day per 5GH/s (more in Scrypt .08).
So with my 50KH/s Scrypt I can get 2TH/s SHA256.
Talk about awesome!
Hope to get my X3s soon to reinvest all I will make from them into cloud.




PS. I do 1%kickback on GAW purchases. Donate the rest. JFYI.

This is the new scammers unite thread!

EDIT:

Hold on a second 50kH/s WTF? HAHAHA

I've been trolled... right?
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This death threat caused the ban on the website:



Where's the death threat? He wishes you were dead (caused by your own incendiary X3s) but I see no threat.
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There was danger of death in there.  I almost died laughing.

If that was a death threat why don't you head on down to the police department and file a report?

While you're there you can file a report on the data theft, which you seemingly have not done in over a month.  Why is that?  You sold our data didn't you, or, more likely, are affiliated with Xbtec.  Why else would a company not prosecute a competitor that had stolen it's customer database. 

Is that why zipkin came to see you.  You guys are supposedly competitors.  Scammers unite for the next con job?  Did you guys line up to blow him as the guy that has managed so far to avoid jail while screwing his customers brains out? 
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The incredibly shrinking thread phenomenon continues.  Apparently Mr. Poopy Pants, aka BlackArrow is throwing a tantrum.  Deleting most, if not all, of the posts I've made to this thread.  Poor little Mr. Poopy Pants, his miners are burning, as is his company.  I'll just keep reposting the ones that are relevant to the discussion as it is today.  and maybe some of the older ones.  thanks for organizing it all so nicely for me, BlackArrow.

Why is Black Arrow not working with the Consumer Council if BA is operating within the law, BlackArrow?  How long do you think they're going to take your shit?  They're not a bunch of inexperienced kids that don't know what to do, they are a group of people that do nothing but deal with assholes just like you and your unethical company.



A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic. There are no rules of self-moderation, so this deletion cannot be appealed. Do not continue posting in this topic if the topic-starter has requested that you leave.

You can create a new topic if you are unsatisfied with this one. If the topic-starter is scamming, post about it in Scam Accusations.

Unfortunate. Just requested refund on second of two orders (X3s) due to multiple BA failures. Sent some info to Bitcz, we will see what materializes there.

I will probably do the HKCC thing this weekend. I guess I am at the point where things suck so bad (safety issues on top of everything else? C'mon) it just doesn't matter. This has gone beyond the pale in so many ways.

Cant believe they made a special "Asshole detected" page.



yep.  if you do file with HKCC include the following:

hey request some documents and need to establish that this is a Hong Kong registered company  before they will agree to pick it up, therefore:

Send the annual report http://www.kiwi.nz/blackarrow/PS300015776549_01.pdf

along with the documents they have requested.  Those documents are:

1.  The invoice showing you paid
2   your bank or payment records showing the payment
3.  any e-mail or support discussions  you've had
4.  The annual report referenced above.

Here's the link to file a complaint if you decide you want to do that.

https://www.consumer.org.hk/cc-complaint/index.php?lang=en

Also indicate that their TOS indicates Hong Kong law and paste that in to your message.

http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/terms-and-conditions-en.html#purchase

15.2 Applicable law and dispute resolution
16.2 1 This Agreement shall be interpreted and applied in accordance with the law of Hong Kong S.A.R. of PRC.




probably point out the fire issue as a reason for just wanting out of this mess.  I don't know if everyone has done that.   it may help get this a higher priority.

anyhow, good luck.
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From the AMT thread:


Hahaha Bick you can not resist to try anything, a ?
Both of you with opie here.
Good luck
Again it is simple Amt aka Josh ordered miners back in November, paid and got them.
This year he purchased a licence for our A1 board.
That is all.
end of story.


Isn't Marto74 helping out AMT and Josh anymore?

Funny how that never gets mentioned in passing.

Josh is Toxic, even if he is he would hardly admit to it publicly. But Josh has insider knowledge of technobits inner workings apparently. Martin is Marto74 evidently. Don't shoot the messenger Josh volunteered this info in a chat.

Some commentary on what Josh thinks of other vendors and his leaky anus mouth spouting off business secrets of the competition?:
Also basically claims martos miners do not last for more than 6 months to do shoddy quality is what I understood by that. Make of it what you will however.
Technobit:

[5/31/2014 12:30:10 AM] Joshua: but.. yea, it works. But the think is technobit/martin is a dick and locks him firmware/software on his boards and his connectivity devices. And because he got into an argument with ckolvakis (cgminer author) he wont inlcude technobit drivers in cgminer
[5/31/2014 12:47:18 AM] Joshua: but martin listens to me a bit, like the whole "make it the size of the HDD hardrive and make sure all the connectors are faces on side" is a major improvement

Over the technobit AMT kerfufle a couple months back:
[6/12/2014 11:57:49 AM] Joshua: Yea martin's not pissed, he said he figure it out pretty quick. All is wel
[6/12/2014 11:58:17 AM] Joshua: its kinda hard to break up two guys who's wive's are friends. Its what they are trying to do it seems

More commentary on business practices:

[8/12/2014 1:47:38 PM] Joshua: it works for A1/A2, BE200 and hopefilly minion if martin gets his shit together

[8/13/2014 1:10:05 PM] Joshua: ok but the lifetime of BTC miners is 6 months
[8/13/2014 1:10:28 PM] Joshua: like Martin skips corners and does shit like that and the lifetime if never touched is like 6 months to a year maybe

Black Arrow and mentions Technobit again

[8/13/2014 12:31:02 PM] Joshua: yea
[8/13/2014 12:31:10 PM] Joshua: but they are good
[8/13/2014 12:31:39 PM] Joshua: also BA is getting pretty desperate
[8/13/2014 12:32:02 PM] Joshua: they have soo many chips and no boards to put them on because they are low on money like us and their board is too expensive to produce
[8/13/2014 12:32:13 PM] Joshua: they just came out with a decent 2 chip board which seemd ok
[8/13/2014 12:32:28 PM] Cust2: mini miner
[8/13/2014 12:32:40 PM] Joshua: like.. slots
[8/13/2014 12:32:49 PM] Joshua: several 2 chilp board slots..
[8/13/2014 12:32:59 PM] Joshua: for X1 devices
[8/13/2014 12:33:18 PM] Joshua: its a nice chip really, just as always chip makers should not be board makers
[8/13/2014 12:33:19 PM] Cust2: Grown up USB key style miners
[8/13/2014 12:33:30 PM] Joshua: and they are just going to copy Asicminers design
[8/13/2014 12:33:57 PM] Joshua: right
[8/13/2014 12:34:14 PM] Joshua: but anyway thats good for me
[8/13/2014 12:34:18 PM] Joshua: because it will look like we did it lol
[8/13/2014 12:34:36 PM] Joshua: and then it'll be like.. AMT, works with A1/A2 BE200 and Minion
[8/13/2014 12:34:54 PM] Me: Who is BA?
[8/13/2014 12:34:55 PM] Joshua: Chip integration specialists!
[8/13/2014 12:34:59 PM] Joshua: Black arrow
[8/13/2014 12:35:01 PM] Joshua: minion
[8/13/2014 12:35:02 PM] Me: ah
[8/13/2014 12:35:18 PM] Joshua: they are romanians based here in shenzhen
[8/13/2014 12:35:32 PM] Joshua: but not the most ehtical
[8/13/2014 12:35:46 PM] Joshua: built a shit load of prospero 3's and are mining with the hardware
[8/13/2014 12:36:00 PM] Joshua: and gave chips to clients as compensation
[8/13/2014 12:36:08 PM] Joshua: who in turn, ofcourse has no where to other than technobit
[8/13/2014 12:36:17 PM] Cust2: yep
[8/13/2014 12:36:22 PM] Joshua: who now spent 200K on compoennts and may go broke on this
[8/13/2014 12:36:25 PM] Joshua: lol
[8/13/2014 12:36:40 PM] Joshua: but martin will be left with several minion boards to sell off
[8/13/2014 12:37:01 PM] Joshua: which will devaluate minion because he sales at the bare minimum and always tries to undercut the market
[8/13/2014 12:37:14 PM] Joshua: and todays chip price for A1, $16
[8/13/2014 12:37:23 PM] Cust2: good lord.
[8/13/2014 12:37:32 PM] Joshua: well its the best price
[8/13/2014 12:37:40 PM] Joshua: even the swiss cant sell  under $20
[8/13/2014 12:37:54 PM] Joshua: but i can sell at $16, quietly

EDIT: Added Some personal chats I had with Josh's thoughts on Technobit's CEO.


This is interesting.

Let me get this clear: We are not mining. It would be impossible to mine as we only have 5kw of power in our office.

You can ask Joshua where is our mining facility and we will be happy to this this address to check.




of course they deny it, but let's look at what BlackArrow has already said on that facility.



Our facility is ready, will start Rent-A-Minion as soon as we solve the issue with the backplane.


first the data center was ready and now it doesn't even exist?  which is it?  
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The incredible shrinking thread.

apparently they've done all the scamming they can do for one day and are killing some time deleting posts again.

have at it BlackArrow.

they'll simply be reposted.
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From the AMT thread:


Hahaha Bick you can not resist to try anything, a ?
Both of you with opie here.
Good luck
Again it is simple Amt aka Josh ordered miners back in November, paid and got them.
This year he purchased a licence for our A1 board.
That is all.
end of story.


Isn't Marto74 helping out AMT and Josh anymore?

Funny how that never gets mentioned in passing.

Josh is Toxic, even if he is he would hardly admit to it publicly. But Josh has insider knowledge of technobits inner workings apparently. Martin is Marto74 evidently. Don't shoot the messenger Josh volunteered this info in a chat.

Some commentary on what Josh thinks of other vendors and his leaky anus mouth spouting off business secrets of the competition?:
Also basically claims martos miners do not last for more than 6 months to do shoddy quality is what I understood by that. Make of it what you will however.
Technobit:

[5/31/2014 12:30:10 AM] Joshua: but.. yea, it works. But the think is technobit/martin is a dick and locks him firmware/software on his boards and his connectivity devices. And because he got into an argument with ckolvakis (cgminer author) he wont inlcude technobit drivers in cgminer
[5/31/2014 12:47:18 AM] Joshua: but martin listens to me a bit, like the whole "make it the size of the HDD hardrive and make sure all the connectors are faces on side" is a major improvement

Over the technobit AMT kerfufle a couple months back:
[6/12/2014 11:57:49 AM] Joshua: Yea martin's not pissed, he said he figure it out pretty quick. All is wel
[6/12/2014 11:58:17 AM] Joshua: its kinda hard to break up two guys who's wive's are friends. Its what they are trying to do it seems

More commentary on business practices:

[8/12/2014 1:47:38 PM] Joshua: it works for A1/A2, BE200 and hopefilly minion if martin gets his shit together

[8/13/2014 1:10:05 PM] Joshua: ok but the lifetime of BTC miners is 6 months
[8/13/2014 1:10:28 PM] Joshua: like Martin skips corners and does shit like that and the lifetime if never touched is like 6 months to a year maybe

Black Arrow and mentions Technobit again

[8/13/2014 12:31:02 PM] Joshua: yea
[8/13/2014 12:31:10 PM] Joshua: but they are good
[8/13/2014 12:31:39 PM] Joshua: also BA is getting pretty desperate
[8/13/2014 12:32:02 PM] Joshua: they have soo many chips and no boards to put them on because they are low on money like us and their board is too expensive to produce
[8/13/2014 12:32:13 PM] Joshua: they just came out with a decent 2 chip board which seemd ok
[8/13/2014 12:32:28 PM] Cust2: mini miner
[8/13/2014 12:32:40 PM] Joshua: like.. slots
[8/13/2014 12:32:49 PM] Joshua: several 2 chilp board slots..
[8/13/2014 12:32:59 PM] Joshua: for X1 devices
[8/13/2014 12:33:18 PM] Joshua: its a nice chip really, just as always chip makers should not be board makers
[8/13/2014 12:33:19 PM] Cust2: Grown up USB key style miners
[8/13/2014 12:33:30 PM] Joshua: and they are just going to copy Asicminers design
[8/13/2014 12:33:57 PM] Joshua: right
[8/13/2014 12:34:14 PM] Joshua: but anyway thats good for me
[8/13/2014 12:34:18 PM] Joshua: because it will look like we did it lol
[8/13/2014 12:34:36 PM] Joshua: and then it'll be like.. AMT, works with A1/A2 BE200 and Minion
[8/13/2014 12:34:54 PM] Me: Who is BA?
[8/13/2014 12:34:55 PM] Joshua: Chip integration specialists!
[8/13/2014 12:34:59 PM] Joshua: Black arrow
[8/13/2014 12:35:01 PM] Joshua: minion
[8/13/2014 12:35:02 PM] Me: ah
[8/13/2014 12:35:18 PM] Joshua: they are romanians based here in shenzhen
[8/13/2014 12:35:32 PM] Joshua: but not the most ehtical
[8/13/2014 12:35:46 PM] Joshua: built a shit load of prospero 3's and are mining with the hardware
[8/13/2014 12:36:00 PM] Joshua: and gave chips to clients as compensation
[8/13/2014 12:36:08 PM] Joshua: who in turn, ofcourse has no where to other than technobit
[8/13/2014 12:36:17 PM] Cust2: yep
[8/13/2014 12:36:22 PM] Joshua: who now spent 200K on compoennts and may go broke on this
[8/13/2014 12:36:25 PM] Joshua: lol
[8/13/2014 12:36:40 PM] Joshua: but martin will be left with several minion boards to sell off
[8/13/2014 12:37:01 PM] Joshua: which will devaluate minion because he sales at the bare minimum and always tries to undercut the market
[8/13/2014 12:37:14 PM] Joshua: and todays chip price for A1, $16
[8/13/2014 12:37:23 PM] Cust2: good lord.
[8/13/2014 12:37:32 PM] Joshua: well its the best price
[8/13/2014 12:37:40 PM] Joshua: even the swiss cant sell  under $20
[8/13/2014 12:37:54 PM] Joshua: but i can sell at $16, quietly

EDIT: Added Some personal chats I had with Josh's thoughts on Technobit's CEO.


This is interesting.

Let me get this clear: We are not mining. It would be impossible to mine as we only have 5kw of power in our office.

You can ask Joshua where is our mining facility and we will be happy to this this address to check.




of course they deny it, but let's look at what BlackArrow has already said on that facility.



Our facility is ready, will start Rent-A-Minion as soon as we solve the issue with the backplane.


first the data center was ready and now it doesn't even exist?  which is it? 

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From the AMT thread:


Hahaha Bick you can not resist to try anything, a ?
Both of you with opie here.
Good luck
Again it is simple Amt aka Josh ordered miners back in November, paid and got them.
This year he purchased a licence for our A1 board.
That is all.
end of story.


Isn't Marto74 helping out AMT and Josh anymore?

Funny how that never gets mentioned in passing.

Josh is Toxic, even if he is he would hardly admit to it publicly. But Josh has insider knowledge of technobits inner workings apparently. Martin is Marto74 evidently. Don't shoot the messenger Josh volunteered this info in a chat.

Some commentary on what Josh thinks of other vendors and his leaky anus mouth spouting off business secrets of the competition?:
Also basically claims martos miners do not last for more than 6 months to do shoddy quality is what I understood by that. Make of it what you will however.
Technobit:

[5/31/2014 12:30:10 AM] Joshua: but.. yea, it works. But the think is technobit/martin is a dick and locks him firmware/software on his boards and his connectivity devices. And because he got into an argument with ckolvakis (cgminer author) he wont inlcude technobit drivers in cgminer
[5/31/2014 12:47:18 AM] Joshua: but martin listens to me a bit, like the whole "make it the size of the HDD hardrive and make sure all the connectors are faces on side" is a major improvement

Over the technobit AMT kerfufle a couple months back:
[6/12/2014 11:57:49 AM] Joshua: Yea martin's not pissed, he said he figure it out pretty quick. All is wel
[6/12/2014 11:58:17 AM] Joshua: its kinda hard to break up two guys who's wive's are friends. Its what they are trying to do it seems

More commentary on business practices:

[8/12/2014 1:47:38 PM] Joshua: it works for A1/A2, BE200 and hopefilly minion if martin gets his shit together

[8/13/2014 1:10:05 PM] Joshua: ok but the lifetime of BTC miners is 6 months
[8/13/2014 1:10:28 PM] Joshua: like Martin skips corners and does shit like that and the lifetime if never touched is like 6 months to a year maybe

Black Arrow and mentions Technobit again

[8/13/2014 12:31:02 PM] Joshua: yea
[8/13/2014 12:31:10 PM] Joshua: but they are good
[8/13/2014 12:31:39 PM] Joshua: also BA is getting pretty desperate
[8/13/2014 12:32:02 PM] Joshua: they have soo many chips and no boards to put them on because they are low on money like us and their board is too expensive to produce
[8/13/2014 12:32:13 PM] Joshua: they just came out with a decent 2 chip board which seemd ok
[8/13/2014 12:32:28 PM] Cust2: mini miner
[8/13/2014 12:32:40 PM] Joshua: like.. slots
[8/13/2014 12:32:49 PM] Joshua: several 2 chilp board slots..
[8/13/2014 12:32:59 PM] Joshua: for X1 devices
[8/13/2014 12:33:18 PM] Joshua: its a nice chip really, just as always chip makers should not be board makers
[8/13/2014 12:33:19 PM] Cust2: Grown up USB key style miners
[8/13/2014 12:33:30 PM] Joshua: and they are just going to copy Asicminers design
[8/13/2014 12:33:57 PM] Joshua: right
[8/13/2014 12:34:14 PM] Joshua: but anyway thats good for me
[8/13/2014 12:34:18 PM] Joshua: because it will look like we did it lol
[8/13/2014 12:34:36 PM] Joshua: and then it'll be like.. AMT, works with A1/A2 BE200 and Minion
[8/13/2014 12:34:54 PM] Me: Who is BA?
[8/13/2014 12:34:55 PM] Joshua: Chip integration specialists!
[8/13/2014 12:34:59 PM] Joshua: Black arrow
[8/13/2014 12:35:01 PM] Joshua: minion
[8/13/2014 12:35:02 PM] Me: ah
[8/13/2014 12:35:18 PM] Joshua: they are romanians based here in shenzhen
[8/13/2014 12:35:32 PM] Joshua: but not the most ehtical
[8/13/2014 12:35:46 PM] Joshua: built a shit load of prospero 3's and are mining with the hardware
[8/13/2014 12:36:00 PM] Joshua: and gave chips to clients as compensation
[8/13/2014 12:36:08 PM] Joshua: who in turn, ofcourse has no where to other than technobit
[8/13/2014 12:36:17 PM] Cust2: yep
[8/13/2014 12:36:22 PM] Joshua: who now spent 200K on compoennts and may go broke on this
[8/13/2014 12:36:25 PM] Joshua: lol
[8/13/2014 12:36:40 PM] Joshua: but martin will be left with several minion boards to sell off
[8/13/2014 12:37:01 PM] Joshua: which will devaluate minion because he sales at the bare minimum and always tries to undercut the market
[8/13/2014 12:37:14 PM] Joshua: and todays chip price for A1, $16
[8/13/2014 12:37:23 PM] Cust2: good lord.
[8/13/2014 12:37:32 PM] Joshua: well its the best price
[8/13/2014 12:37:40 PM] Joshua: even the swiss cant sell  under $20
[8/13/2014 12:37:54 PM] Joshua: but i can sell at $16, quietly

EDIT: Added Some personal chats I had with Josh's thoughts on Technobit's CEO.


This is interesting.

Let me get this clear: We are not mining. It would be impossible to mine as we only have 5kw of power in our office.

You can ask Joshua where is our mining facility and we will be happy to this this address to check.




of course they deny it, but let's look at what BlackArrow has already said on that facility.



Our facility is ready, will start Rent-A-Minion as soon as we solve the issue with the backplane.


first the data center was ready and now it doesn't even exist?  which is it? 

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This death threat caused the ban on the website:



Where's the death threat? He wishes you were dead (caused by your own incendiary X3s) but I see no threat.


There was danger of death in there.  I almost died laughing.

If that was a death threat why don't you head on down to the police department and file a report?

While you're there you can file a report on the data theft, which you seemingly have not done in over a month.  Why is that?  You sold our data didn't you, or, more likely, are affiliated with Xbtec.  Why else would a company not prosecute a competitor that had stolen it's customer database. 

Is that why zipkin came to see you.  You guys are supposedly competitors.  Scammers unite for the next con job?  Did you guys line up to blow him as the guy that has managed so far to avoid jail while screwing his customers brains out? 
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Why is Black Arrow not working with the Consumer Council if BA is operating within the law, BlackArrow?  How long do you think they're going to take your shit?  They're not a bunch of inexperienced kids that don't know what to do, they are a group of people that do nothing but deal with assholes just like you and your unethical company.



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Unfortunate. Just requested refund on second of two orders (X3s) due to multiple BA failures. Sent some info to Bitcz, we will see what materializes there.

I will probably do the HKCC thing this weekend. I guess I am at the point where things suck so bad (safety issues on top of everything else? C'mon) it just doesn't matter. This has gone beyond the pale in so many ways.

Cant believe they made a special "Asshole detected" page.



yep.  if you do file with HKCC include the following:

hey request some documents and need to establish that this is a Hong Kong registered company  before they will agree to pick it up, therefore:

Send the annual report http://www.kiwi.nz/blackarrow/PS300015776549_01.pdf

along with the documents they have requested.  Those documents are:

1.  The invoice showing you paid
2   your bank or payment records showing the payment
3.  any e-mail or support discussions  you've had
4.  The annual report referenced above.

Here's the link to file a complaint if you decide you want to do that.

https://www.consumer.org.hk/cc-complaint/index.php?lang=en

Also indicate that their TOS indicates Hong Kong law and paste that in to your message.

http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/terms-and-conditions-en.html#purchase

15.2 Applicable law and dispute resolution
16.2 1 This Agreement shall be interpreted and applied in accordance with the law of Hong Kong S.A.R. of PRC.




probably point out the fire issue as a reason for just wanting out of this mess.  I don't know if everyone has done that.   it may help get this a higher priority.

anyhow, good luck.
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Only a couple of deleted posts today.  One of us is slipping BlackArrow.



Please feel free to also post screenshots of your latest order with us.

David, reposting screenshots is bad forum edicate, and makes you seem like an asshole for making people scroll (not that you need anymore help).  And I would never post any details of orders I have through you guys.  Although it is funny that I am currently providing more support for your fire hazard products than your company is.  Care to continue to troll?

Hey, btw, I will bet you any number of bitcoin that you want, that you will neither have a scrypt chip within specs by the end of this year, and that you will have a working 14 nm chip by the end of Q2 next year.


It's true.  I also think that's why when they are deleting post they do it huge bunches, including posts that are basically meaningless.  

If we then go back and simply repost them all, it turns that into a scrollover zone.  I noticed I was scrolling over my own posts when bunched up like that in a repost bunch.

The last bunch was for me 27 posts.  I've been doling them out in small amounts ever since.

just the ones with real good information that I know BA would want their customers to have.  being as they're all above board and professional and all.

their next miner won't even catch fire.  it will generate a black hole that will just suck your entire house right on through.  they will not consider that to be a hazard and will claim it is impossible, like that mod on ecointalk that keeps posting that these cannot burn.  meanwhile, people are reporting fires.

A call to the Black Arrow Fire Department:

customer:  my miner is on fire.
BA:  That is not possible.
customer:  well flames are visible.
BA: That is not possible.
customer:  flames are spreading through my house.
BA:  That is not possible.
customer:  aaaaaH!  I'm on fire (line goes dead)
BA:  Customer's fault for not remaining on the line.


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This post may be important to you BA folks: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8695988

So Josh having visited the BA factory in person confirms that BA is in fact mining with our hardware, nice.

This is a lie.

Coming from your mouth that statement only serves to make it more likely.
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to profit , now, you have to cloudmine (easy way and porbably most profitable).
Here some good cloudmining:

- chabatmining (i use it)
- cloudhashers
- skycoinlab (maybe dont profitable so much)

Leo
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This post may be important to you BA folks: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8695988

So Josh having visited the BA factory in person confirms that BA is in fact mining with our hardware, nice.

This is a lie.

[8/13/2014 12:34:54 PM] Me: Who is BA?
[8/13/2014 12:34:55 PM] Joshua: Chip integration specialists!
[8/13/2014 12:34:59 PM] Joshua: Black arrow
[8/13/2014 12:35:01 PM] Joshua: minion
[8/13/2014 12:35:02 PM] Me: ah
[8/13/2014 12:35:18 PM] Joshua: they are romanians based here in shenzhen
[8/13/2014 12:35:32 PM] Joshua: but not the most ehtical
[8/13/2014 12:35:46 PM] Joshua: built a shit load of prospero 3's and are mining with the hardware
[8/13/2014 12:36:00 PM] Joshua: and gave chips to clients as compensation
[8/13/2014 12:36:08 PM] Joshua: who in turn, ofcourse has no where to other than technobit
[8/13/2014 12:36:17 PM] Cust2: yep
[8/13/2014 12:36:22 PM] Joshua: who now spent 200K on compoennts and may go broke on this
[8/13/2014 12:36:25 PM] Joshua: lol
[8/13/2014 12:36:40 PM] Joshua: but martin will be left with several minion boards to sell off
[8/13/2014 12:37:01 PM] Joshua: which will devaluate minion because he sales at the bare minimum and always tries to undercut the market
[8/13/2014 12:37:14 PM] Joshua: and todays chip price for A1, $16
[8/13/2014 12:37:23 PM] Cust2: good lord.
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I wonder if the 8% of the X3s that were shipped are the ones that failed quality control. Good boards get a QC not an OK in my experience.
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give a look at chabatmining.com and gawminers.com
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This post may be important to you BA folks: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8695988

So Josh having visited the BA factory in person confirms that BA is in fact mining with our hardware, nice.
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