My apologies to everyone else, but BA keeps deleting posts, we need these here for future generations and for reference.
Well I have asked time and time again, what has BA actually done? They have told us that the chip was designed by a group at I think it was Versilicon then sent off for manufacturing. The backplanes had to have other teams come in to fix the issues because BA wasn't competent enough to even do that. They have outsourced every single other part, so basically, there only job has been to receive units, write software, assemble, and ship.
Now they have said, there are many factories around that they can use to assemble, and yet, this has been a total shit storm as they can't seem to get it right.
Receive parts, it has taken at least 5 different LCD companies and who knows how many companies to get the case designed (still never figured out what happened to the plastic ones). Then power supplies have had major screw ups, and apparently, now the control board (which I guess they didn't even design) isn't right. Sure doesn't sound like they got this part right.
Write software...well, look at past posts. They have continuously said that it will take "x" number of weeks to have whatever piece of software written. Units ship, and software is buggy, things don't seem to work properly, and the "surprise" which apparently is just being able to daisy chain them together (which is worthless since they didn't tell us this and anyone expecting any number of these units probably already has the infrastructure in place to handle multiple units.), still has not been released. So they can't even write software in a timely manner.
Ship...Don't even need to write anything here as I think it is pretty self evident they have fallen flat on their asses on this one.
So, that leaves customer service as what they are actually doing. I think their customer service can pretty much be classified as a joke at this point. You have a known criminal running this shady operation, and doesn't have anything better to do than counter legitimate questions with nonsense on these forums.
So I would have to say, that everything about BA has been a fail. They can barely assemble a device, much less a properly working one. I must agree with Dogie on his "F" rating of this failure of an endeavor.
Oh and BA, you keep asking me to stop and go away. Well you must not have read my terms when you accepted my order. They clearly state, that in the event of nondelivery or utter incompetence on the part of the manufacturer, I am entitled to do whatever I want, as long as it doesn't stray from the truth, in calling them out as much as necessary, up until a time that I am either satisfied or paid a bribe of 10 bitcoins. Now obviously, it is much more cleaner than that, but you get the gist. So I wish I could go away and forget you stupid asses, but since we both must abide by our ToS, it just doesn't seem like I am able to.
Good morning (I assume its your morning about now), I hope your chi isn't too effected by the utter shit storm you have created for yourselves.
Topic: Re: Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s - page 62. (Read 96796 times)
XBTec has openly stated that they bought the mailing list from BA. Now this is either true and BA is even more worthless scum than we initially thought or it isn't and XBTec is BA under a new name. Either way, this should easily be enough to warn anyone from ordering from either company. The ethical conflicts here are priceless. Just imagine how much money BA made selling your email address to a third party! I bet it was in the tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars.
BA, what about the privacy clauses in your ToS? So you can simply disregard them anytime you feel like it, but if someone else tries to you start calling names and playing the tough guy act? What pieces of shit you are!
Dogie, I would ask that you re review BA in your manufacturer trustworthiness guide and add this new piece of information into their score. Violating own ToS as well as privacy acts of almost any and all countries out the ass. Possibly setting up a new company to hide behind because their old name is now synonymous with shit. Not even BFL has stooped low enough to sell email addresses or hide behind a different company name. Isn't it sad when your name is now below BFL?
Also, if they are willing to sell your email address, imagine what else they sold about you? They have your address, name, credit card info if you ordered that way. It is fairly obvious they are strapped for cash and are trying by any means necessary to get some for another run of chips. Think what other information they will sell behind your back about you! It is sickening.
BA, what about the privacy clauses in your ToS? So you can simply disregard them anytime you feel like it, but if someone else tries to you start calling names and playing the tough guy act? What pieces of shit you are!
Dogie, I would ask that you re review BA in your manufacturer trustworthiness guide and add this new piece of information into their score. Violating own ToS as well as privacy acts of almost any and all countries out the ass. Possibly setting up a new company to hide behind because their old name is now synonymous with shit. Not even BFL has stooped low enough to sell email addresses or hide behind a different company name. Isn't it sad when your name is now below BFL?
Also, if they are willing to sell your email address, imagine what else they sold about you? They have your address, name, credit card info if you ordered that way. It is fairly obvious they are strapped for cash and are trying by any means necessary to get some for another run of chips. Think what other information they will sell behind your back about you! It is sickening.
I asked xbtec what the deal connection is and they said:
WHAT. THE. FUCK. Explain yourself Black Arrow.
They're in serious breach of their own terms and conditions, along with the data protection laws of most civilised country's:
This just never ends. I really hope someone sues blackarrow into oblivion. Never have I been so disgusted by a single company. Quote
"Hello there,
1. We have tried to work as the resellers of Black Arrow in Russia but rapidly understood that they are can not produce their hardware in time and stopped all the relations.
http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/reseller-status-of-xbtek-has-been-canceled.html
2. We have bought the email base from Black arrow. If you do not want to receive information from us, just click on the unsubscribe button in the bottom of the email and we will not disturb you.
Sorry for inconvenience."
(I've added the emphasis)1. We have tried to work as the resellers of Black Arrow in Russia but rapidly understood that they are can not produce their hardware in time and stopped all the relations.
http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/reseller-status-of-xbtek-has-been-canceled.html
2. We have bought the email base from Black arrow. If you do not want to receive information from us, just click on the unsubscribe button in the bottom of the email and we will not disturb you.
Sorry for inconvenience."
WHAT. THE. FUCK. Explain yourself Black Arrow.
They're in serious breach of their own terms and conditions, along with the data protection laws of most civilised country's:
Quote
"Personal Data
14.1 Personal data provided to Us within the framework of an order for Products will be recorded and processed by Us and may also be transferred to the third party providers (such as hosting providers or payment processing providers) for the execution of the order for Products. The Purchaser hereby consents to such processing of personal data. We are the personal data controller for the personal data that We process. We shall take appropriate technical and organizational measures to protect the Purchasers personal data. You at any time contact Us to receive more information about Our processing of your personal data and to correct any inaccurate personal information.
Do we disclose any information to outside parties?
We do not sell, trade, or otherwise transfer to outside parties your personally identifiable information. This does not include trusted third parties who assist us in operating our website, conducting our business, or servicing you, so long as those parties agree to keep this information confidential. We may also release your information when we believe release is appropriate to comply with the law, enforce our site policies, or protect ours or others rights, property, or safety. However, non-personally identifiable visitor information may be provided to other parties for marketing, advertising, or other uses."
Let's be clear, this company have no get-out under the 'conducting our business or servicing you' as this applies to the execution of the trade in question, such as releasing addresses to the delivery company (DHL/UPS etc) and payment processors for the transactions.14.1 Personal data provided to Us within the framework of an order for Products will be recorded and processed by Us and may also be transferred to the third party providers (such as hosting providers or payment processing providers) for the execution of the order for Products. The Purchaser hereby consents to such processing of personal data. We are the personal data controller for the personal data that We process. We shall take appropriate technical and organizational measures to protect the Purchasers personal data. You at any time contact Us to receive more information about Our processing of your personal data and to correct any inaccurate personal information.
Do we disclose any information to outside parties?
We do not sell, trade, or otherwise transfer to outside parties your personally identifiable information. This does not include trusted third parties who assist us in operating our website, conducting our business, or servicing you, so long as those parties agree to keep this information confidential. We may also release your information when we believe release is appropriate to comply with the law, enforce our site policies, or protect ours or others rights, property, or safety. However, non-personally identifiable visitor information may be provided to other parties for marketing, advertising, or other uses."
I'm sorry, but this is just a little too convenient that all of a sudden certain support logins don't work and won't even process a password reset. There is no way that I'm messaging my order information just so you can make good on your earlier threats denying the full compensation.
Everything is a conspiration for you ... The IPS's DNS is down. Can you please try now? We switched to google's dns.
And I fucking dare you to delete this. I'll repost it a million times.
I can't seem to wake up from this nightmare, how did I get here? What year is it? Who is that strange man?
Money, time, revenue, boxes full of magic crystals and my sanity all in short supply. I'm also fairly sure they've been draining energy directly from my soul but I can't prove that.
Money, time, revenue, boxes full of magic crystals and my sanity all in short supply. I'm also fairly sure they've been draining energy directly from my soul but I can't prove that.
"Our immersion cooling systems are 3 times cheaper than their counterparts from the United States, China and Germany." -- XBTec
This statement raises more questions than it answers.
This statement raises more questions than it answers.
1Th/s units are being sold from stock by various vendors for about $1500.
The comments on ecointalk are that XBTec is a Russian BA reseller that jumped ship.
This XBTec development might give us some great insight into why the multiple redundant design teams (for example, on the backplate) and why compensation promises are not being honored. Definitely a possibility, the hashing screenshots they show are not inconsistent with it being minions, and the specs they quote are totally consistent with an optimistic over promise of minion performance.
This is pretty exhausting now, for the next several months to a year every new ASIC manufacturer is basically going to have to prove that they aren't Black Arrow!
This is pretty exhausting now, for the next several months to a year every new ASIC manufacturer is basically going to have to prove that they aren't Black Arrow!
Should be pretty easy, provide some customer support, lol!
This XBtec account already seems to have some marks on it for failure to pay signature campaigns. Signature campaigns haven't really been BA's style, but not honoring by paying is right up there alley.
So now on top of their utter incompetence and failure, one of two scenarios is happening...
One, either they have sold your email to a third party company, which they probably made a lot of money on as a targeted list of emails associated with people who they know have purchased bitcoin miners, will be pretty expensive.
Or
Two, they have spent the last couple of months developing a mew company/brand as anything that has to do with BA is synonymous with fail and utter incompetence. They have developed slightly different looking cases and are trying to sell products with the same specs as the X-3 to you.
Either way, Bobsag you need to confirm as to whether email addresses from purchases through you have been given to BA?
One, either they have sold your email to a third party company, which they probably made a lot of money on as a targeted list of emails associated with people who they know have purchased bitcoin miners, will be pretty expensive.
Or
Two, they have spent the last couple of months developing a mew company/brand as anything that has to do with BA is synonymous with fail and utter incompetence. They have developed slightly different looking cases and are trying to sell products with the same specs as the X-3 to you.
Either way, Bobsag you need to confirm as to whether email addresses from purchases through you have been given to BA?
Nope.
I was going to suggest if you registered on ecointalk, better go check my alternative email address I used there.
So now on top of their utter incompetence and failure, one of two scenarios is happening...
One, either they have sold your email to a third party company, which they probably made a lot of money on as a targeted list of emails associated with people who they know have purchased bitcoin miners, will be pretty expensive.
Or
Two, they have spent the last couple of months developing a mew company/brand as anything that has to do with BA is synonymous with fail and utter incompetence. They have developed slightly different looking cases and are trying to sell products with the same specs as the X-3 to you.
Either way, Bobsag you need to confirm as to whether email addresses from purchases through you have been given to BA?
One, either they have sold your email to a third party company, which they probably made a lot of money on as a targeted list of emails associated with people who they know have purchased bitcoin miners, will be pretty expensive.
Or
Two, they have spent the last couple of months developing a mew company/brand as anything that has to do with BA is synonymous with fail and utter incompetence. They have developed slightly different looking cases and are trying to sell products with the same specs as the X-3 to you.
Either way, Bobsag you need to confirm as to whether email addresses from purchases through you have been given to BA?
Nope.
"In development of this miner many shortcomings of previous miners were taken into consideration."
Marketing hot tip: don't specifically state that you're an epic failure in your mixed meat byproduct.
Marketing hot tip: don't specifically state that you're an epic failure in your mixed meat byproduct.
So now on top of their utter incompetence and failure, one of two scenarios is happening...
One, either they have sold your email to a third party company, which they probably made a lot of money on as a targeted list of emails associated with people who they know have purchased bitcoin miners, will be pretty expensive.
Or
Two, they have spent the last couple of months developing a mew company/brand as anything that has to do with BA is synonymous with fail and utter incompetence. They have developed slightly different looking cases and are trying to sell products with the same specs as the X-3 to you.
Either way, Bobsag you need to confirm as to whether email addresses from purchases through you have been given to BA?
One, either they have sold your email to a third party company, which they probably made a lot of money on as a targeted list of emails associated with people who they know have purchased bitcoin miners, will be pretty expensive.
Or
Two, they have spent the last couple of months developing a mew company/brand as anything that has to do with BA is synonymous with fail and utter incompetence. They have developed slightly different looking cases and are trying to sell products with the same specs as the X-3 to you.
Either way, Bobsag you need to confirm as to whether email addresses from purchases through you have been given to BA?
"... Scammer or spammer, you decide."
It's been 8 months and no ROI so far. Definitely a scam as the email didn't go in the spam folder like BA emails normally do.
XBtec obviously has someone inside BA so maybe the delays weren't all BS and they were being sabotaged from within but I'd still lay blame on BA management for not seeing something was amist . I mean who has access to your email list as well as your chip design and your component list .It's been 8 months and no ROI so far. Definitely a scam as the email didn't go in the spam folder like BA emails normally do.
No one sabotaged their basic ability to design or communicate, that's just the byproduct of being complete fail as a legitimate company. This is standard spin off because their name in the industry is garbage and if they sold those as BA products they would have to admit that they basically never marked the price down for the sole reason of not having to give even more discounts/compensation based on their inability.
New name means new scams and/or ditching inventory without the BA stigma.
I never received an email from XBTec. Perhaps because I ordered from Minersource. However, I did receive that one email from Black Arrow about an update not too long ago, so I'm guessing Minersource had passed my email to Black Arrow. Interesting situation indeed..
Has anyone else just got email spam about an XBTec PACIFIC V2 machine to an email address they've only used at blackarrow? I'm wondering if they've sold/passed-on their customer/victim database to someone else, or had it exploited?
Yep, same here. Email address used only for the Black Arrow order, nowhere else. The bulk mailing has been sent via MailChimp, there's an abuse report address in the email header.
Whois search indicates it's owned by Artem Solodkiy. First registered 16th May 2014, yet the About page reckons they were founded in 2012.
The Pacific 1250 even uses the same PSU as the Prospero X3.
Rear of Pacific 1250
Rear of Prospero X3
X3 PSU (model AP188)
Looks to me like Black Arrow is getting ready to jump ship and start scamming under a new name (seeing as the BA name will be forever mud it's the logical thing to do). In any case XBTec have obtained email addresses without permission, which gives you some idea of how trustworthy they are. Scammer or spammer, you decide.
Quote from: [email protected]
PACIFIC V2
The Best Miner Available Today
XBTec* unveils a 1.57TH/s compact bitcoin miner with the fastest ROI for a period of less than 3 months, for the price $1399! The power consumption is only 0.8W per GH, which is the most effective solution available today.
In development of this miner many shortcomings of previous miners were taken into consideration. In order to achieve such performance with such sizes and power consumption, we had to overcome multiple complex technical problems. Here are some photos of our first model PACIFIC 1250 which is available in stock:
XBTec PACIFIC V2 is a joint product of Chinese and Russian engineers. Today it is the most competitive bitcoin miner in terms of price, power consumption and size. Our engineers have optimized the architecture of the PCB board. While developing the miner, we took into account how important it is for the users that the hardware does not emit excessive noise. Indeed, many people use these devices at home, where unnecessary noise is undesirable.
The PCB boards and aluminum cases are ready now! The miners will be shipped on August 31st. We have a special offer on the pre-orders: just use this promotion code kdie8-rjdy2-274jf-3lroe and get $100 extra discount (valid for the first 100 orders only).
Moreover, XBTec is preparing to bring a cloud mining solution into the market. The capacity of the data center will be 1 Petahash.
*The company’s headquarters is located in Hong Kong. Its developers are based in Moscow and Shenzhen. Factory is located in Shenzhen.
The Best Miner Available Today
XBTec* unveils a 1.57TH/s compact bitcoin miner with the fastest ROI for a period of less than 3 months, for the price $1399! The power consumption is only 0.8W per GH, which is the most effective solution available today.
In development of this miner many shortcomings of previous miners were taken into consideration. In order to achieve such performance with such sizes and power consumption, we had to overcome multiple complex technical problems. Here are some photos of our first model PACIFIC 1250 which is available in stock:
XBTec PACIFIC V2 is a joint product of Chinese and Russian engineers. Today it is the most competitive bitcoin miner in terms of price, power consumption and size. Our engineers have optimized the architecture of the PCB board. While developing the miner, we took into account how important it is for the users that the hardware does not emit excessive noise. Indeed, many people use these devices at home, where unnecessary noise is undesirable.
The PCB boards and aluminum cases are ready now! The miners will be shipped on August 31st. We have a special offer on the pre-orders: just use this promotion code kdie8-rjdy2-274jf-3lroe and get $100 extra discount (valid for the first 100 orders only).
Moreover, XBTec is preparing to bring a cloud mining solution into the market. The capacity of the data center will be 1 Petahash.
*The company’s headquarters is located in Hong Kong. Its developers are based in Moscow and Shenzhen. Factory is located in Shenzhen.
This will let them use the excuse "Oh very sorry please, after giving first compensation Black arrow no longer has money, so NO MORE COMPENSATION FOR YOU!, we did what we could, but you all very bad people, now we go away because you very bad man. Never contact us after this because we all go away now." And just start scamming under new names.
"... Scammer or spammer, you decide."
It's been 8 months and no ROI so far. Definitely a scam as the email didn't go in the spam folder like BA emails normally do.
It's been 8 months and no ROI so far. Definitely a scam as the email didn't go in the spam folder like BA emails normally do.
What kind of timeframe are we looking at here to finally be free of this madness; end of August? What about compensation units; September, October?
We'll be approaching a year long wait for some customers.
We'll be approaching a year long wait for some customers.
@bobsag
What about the warranty seal?? Do you ship some new ones together with the LCD?
Or how is that working? We have to open the Box to install the display ....
What about the warranty seal?? Do you ship some new ones together with the LCD?
Or how is that working? We have to open the Box to install the display ....
I honestly can't remember what the warranty even is? what does it cover, what's the length? Is it transferable if the unit is sold? How is it handled if bought through a third party?
Somebody claimed 800W, what`s going on here?
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