Real Time Socialist Train Wreck (again) Happening Now in Venezuela - page 11.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 17, 2014, 08:13:01 AM

Quote from: niothor on April 17, 2014, 07:54:42 AM

Well , I assumed , and maybe I did the wrong thing that leaving Venezuela isn't as hard as leaving Cuba.
Or maybe i'm just behind with the time and the news.

Hmm.... At least Venezuela is not an island. Well... Out of the three neighbors, two are outright hostile to Venezuela (Colombia, because of support to FARC, and Guyana, due to border disputes). The other option is Brazil, and most of the Venezuelan-Brazilian border is covered by the Amazonian rain-forest, with Indian reservations on both sides. Extremely dangerous. Grin

Well , my question was about something else.
I had the impression that in Cuba you are forced to stay in your country , just like it happen in the eastern block between 89 when only a few of us got permission to leave.
I wondered if it's the same for Venezuela.

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Cuba shares no common border with the Florida Keys either and yet, if you are desperate enough...

http://youtu.be/8pq89KLHscM

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Quote from: Wilikon on April 17, 2014, 10:46:35 AM

You could travel all the way to French Guiana if you are desperate enough. Well, let's be real: anyone coming from Cuba would be desperate enough to fight snakes, leeches, parasites growing eggs under one's skin and multiple toxic plants to err.. "relocate"
What would make the trip extremely dangerous are not the indegenous Indians but the gold diggers and other bandits along the way...

Venezuela shares no common border with French Guiana. To reach the French Guiana from the Spanish-speaking Venezuela, first you have to cross the English-speaking Guyana and then cross the Dutch-speaking Suriname.

Yes... the gold diggers and drug traffickers in that region are extremely dangerous. In 2006, the miners killed some Sanuma Indians. The Venezuelan army moved in and shot dead 6 miners. I believe that the army is still present there.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 17, 2014, 08:13:01 AM

Quote from: niothor on April 17, 2014, 07:54:42 AM

Well , I assumed , and maybe I did the wrong thing that leaving Venezuela isn't as hard as leaving Cuba.
Or maybe i'm just behind with the time and the news.

Hmm.... At least Venezuela is not an island. Well... Out of the three neighbors, two are outright hostile to Venezuela (Colombia, because of support to FARC, and Guyana, due to border disputes). The other option is Brazil, and most of the Venezuelan-Brazilian border is covered by the Amazonian rain-forest, with Indian reservations on both sides. Extremely dangerous. Grin

You could travel all the way to French Guiana if you are desperate enough. Well, let's be real: anyone coming from Cuba would be desperate enough to fight snakes, leeches, parasites growing eggs under one's skin and multiple toxic plants to err.. "relocate"
What would make the trip extremely dangerous are not the indegenous Indians but the gold diggers and other bandits along the way...

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Quote from: niothor on April 17, 2014, 07:54:42 AM

Well , I assumed , and maybe I did the wrong thing that leaving Venezuela isn't as hard as leaving Cuba.
Or maybe i'm just behind with the time and the news.

Hmm.... At least Venezuela is not an island. Well... Out of the three neighbors, two are outright hostile to Venezuela (Colombia, because of support to FARC, and Guyana, due to border disputes). The other option is Brazil, and most of the Venezuelan-Brazilian border is covered by the Amazonian rain-forest, with Indian reservations on both sides. Extremely dangerous. Grin

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 17, 2014, 07:15:36 AM

Quote from: niothor on April 17, 2014, 06:52:08 AM

I'm pretty sure that none of them is thinking about relocating , but more about fleeing the country and get into the US or Canada.

If they are thinking about fleeing the country, then they chose the wrong place. It is much more difficult to travel from Caracas to the US, when compared to Havana to the US. If they are thinking about getting fake / stolen passports and then traveling with them, then I don't think that Venezuela is the right place. An option would be to travel to Brazil by road / river and get to the US from there.

Well , I assumed , and maybe I did the wrong thing that leaving Venezuela isn't as hard as leaving Cuba.
Or maybe i'm just behind with the time and the news.

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Quote from: niothor on April 17, 2014, 06:52:08 AM

I'm pretty sure that none of them is thinking about relocating , but more about fleeing the country and get into the US or Canada.

If they are thinking about fleeing the country, then they chose the wrong place. It is much more difficult to travel from Caracas to the US, when compared to Havana to the US. If they are thinking about getting fake / stolen passports and then traveling with them, then I don't think that Venezuela is the right place. An option would be to travel to Brazil by road / river and get to the US from there.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 17, 2014, 06:29:55 AM

Quote from: niothor on April 17, 2014, 02:44:51 AM

So , they are just sent on a work camp in another country.
I wonder if they have the rights to leave the city they are deployed to

No. They don't have any such relocation rights. They are mostly deployed in the poorer neighborhoods. They can't relocate themselves to the posh localities and earn more money.

I'm pretty sure that none of them is thinking about relocating , but more about fleeing the country and get into the US or Canada.

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Quote from: niothor on April 17, 2014, 02:44:51 AM

So , they are just sent on a work camp in another country.
I wonder if they have the rights to leave the city they are deployed to

No. They don't have any such relocation rights. They are mostly deployed in the poorer neighborhoods. They can't relocate themselves to the posh localities and earn more money.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 17, 2014, 12:35:37 AM

Quote from: niothor on April 16, 2014, 11:46:46 PM

I wonder who really pays them... the Venezuelans directly or they receive the money from the Cubans government.

They receive standard Cuban salaries (plus a small deputation fee) from the Cuban government. The Cuban doctors are one of the lowest paid physicians in the world, and I am not surprised that they are not happy about their salaries.

So , they are just sent on a work camp in another country.
I wonder if they have the rights to leave the city they are deployed to

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Quote from: niothor on April 16, 2014, 11:46:46 PM

I wonder who really pays them... the Venezuelans directly or they receive the money from the Cubans government.

They receive standard Cuban salaries (plus a small deputation fee) from the Cuban government. The Cuban doctors are one of the lowest paid physicians in the world, and I am not surprised that they are not happy about their salaries.

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Quote from: Wilikon on April 16, 2014, 10:28:03 PM

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Quote from: Wilikon on April 16, 2014, 10:00:15 PM

"Free" is never free. Someone is always paying.

The Venezuelan government is paying. They are taking care of Cuba's petroleum needs. Right now, Cuba doesn't have to worry about its oil imports. They can import for all their needs, without paying a penny.

So those 80 000 health care workers were paid with buckets of hot liquid asphalt? Why were they not happy then?

I wonder who really pays them... the Venezuelans directly or they receive the money from the Cubans government.
I understand the deal between but maybe they get only half of the money their government actually makes from this deal.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 16, 2014, 10:02:01 PM

Quote from: Wilikon on April 16, 2014, 10:00:15 PM

"Free" is never free. Someone is always paying.

The Venezuelan government is paying. They are taking care of Cuba's petroleum needs. Right now, Cuba doesn't have to worry about its oil imports. They can import for all their needs, without paying a penny.

So those 80 000 health care workers were paid with buckets of hot liquid asphalt? Why were they not happy then?

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Quote from: Wilikon on April 16, 2014, 10:00:15 PM

"Free" is never free. Someone is always paying.

The Venezuelan government is paying. They are taking care of Cuba's petroleum needs. Right now, Cuba doesn't have to worry about its oil imports. They can import for all their needs, without paying a penny.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 16, 2014, 09:56:28 PM

yesterday there was a documentary in Al Jazeera. According to it, there are some 80,000 Cuban doctors currently working in Venezuela, under the oil for services program initiated by Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro. The poor Venezuelans are happy with the free healthcare which they are getting, but most of the health care workers are not happy about their salaries.

"Free" is never free. Someone is always paying.

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yesterday there was a documentary in Al Jazeera. According to it, there are some 80,000 Cuban doctors currently working in Venezuela, under the oil for services program initiated by Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro. The poor Venezuelans are happy with the free healthcare which they are getting, but most of the health care workers are not happy about their salaries.

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Quote from: counter on April 16, 2014, 05:35:57 PM

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Quote from: Bit_Happy on April 12, 2014, 10:35:43 PM

We should leave the world alone, but we never do.
'murica Hell yeah?

Thank god Obama is the POTUS. It would have been unimaginable if Bush or Romney was the current POTUS. Who knows what might have occurred? May be an invasion of Venezuela? Another one million civilian deaths?

I agree with that statement to a point. Meaning he isn't the best candidate for the job but instead the better of to evils. I was a supporter of him in the beginning but I felt he was losing site of what he promised he would do when he ran for office.

Obama is such a great guy Roll Eyes

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 12, 2014, 11:33:48 PM

Quote from: Bit_Happy on April 12, 2014, 10:35:43 PM

We should leave the world alone, but we never do.
'murica Hell yeah?

Thank god Obama is the POTUS. It would have been unimaginable if Bush or Romney was the current POTUS. Who knows what might have occurred? May be an invasion of Venezuela? Another one million civilian deaths?

I agree with that statement to a point. Meaning he isn't the best candidate for the job but instead the better of to evils. I was a supporter of him in the beginning but I felt he was losing site of what he promised he would do when he ran for office.

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Quote from: practicaldreamer on April 16, 2014, 04:52:10 PM

I'm getting confused now Wilikon Huh

Quote from: Wilikon on April 14, 2014, 04:11:17 PM

So now that we all agree the CIA is 100% behind the coup..

I didn't realise we did all agree it was the US/CIA's fault - but given that we do, then...

Quote from: Wilikon on April 14, 2014, 04:11:17 PM

.. should we give the Real Time Socialist Train Wreck a bit more time and trust things will get organically better in Venezuela?

..this question doesn't make much sense.

What are you suggesting - we send in the US Marine Corps ?

How about the US/US money getting the hell out of Venezuela, the Ukraine etc and leave the world to find its own way - rather than being perpetually shafted by the United States' duplicity and its fools gold.

I will add a couple of Roll Eyes

after my fake question next time.

The only push back from my various videos and images of abuses is to blame the CIA, NEVER what the Venezuelan government is doing to its own people. So it seems a lot of people agreed to close their eyes and blame Obama's CIA with the killing fields in Venezuela.

I am suggesting you to share what is going on in Venezuela now and not let all those people die quietly, as the Media is not doing its job.
Obviously for those who believes the CIA is behind a coup they will tell you all the negative press covering Venezuela is 100% US propaganda.

This is still a Socialist Train Wreck and we all know how it will end, with the Obama CIA's help or not.

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