Topic: Recieved 50GH BFL Single Today! - page 26. (Read 51113 times)
congratulations.
wonder how much these will sell for on ebay.....
So let me get this straight:
You think it's ok to make baseless accusations.
You think it's ok to use a sock puppet account to troll people.
You think it's ok to lie about said socket puppet account and explicitly post a contradictory post when caught in said lie.
Does that about cover it? If BFL "humiliated everyone said anything about it" this forum would be filled with nothing but BFL posts. If you want to complain, fine, by all means, have at it... there are many, many posts and threads doing just that. I tried to help Garr out and got nothing but crap in return, finally culminating in him using a socket puppet account to further troll the situation. Then, this lovely and incredibly disingenuous apology follows. Yes, sure.. whatever you say.
The bottom line is, if you want to get unreasonable, we simply don't want to deal with you. We have our hands full dealing with adult customers who are reasonable, we have no need for unreasonable, irrational customers throwing tantrums and screaming "Me first GIMME GIMME!"
You think it's ok to make baseless accusations.
You think it's ok to use a sock puppet account to troll people.
You think it's ok to lie about said socket puppet account and explicitly post a contradictory post when caught in said lie.
Does that about cover it? If BFL "humiliated everyone said anything about it" this forum would be filled with nothing but BFL posts. If you want to complain, fine, by all means, have at it... there are many, many posts and threads doing just that. I tried to help Garr out and got nothing but crap in return, finally culminating in him using a socket puppet account to further troll the situation. Then, this lovely and incredibly disingenuous apology follows. Yes, sure.. whatever you say.
The bottom line is, if you want to get unreasonable, we simply don't want to deal with you. We have our hands full dealing with adult customers who are reasonable, we have no need for unreasonable, irrational customers throwing tantrums and screaming "Me first GIMME GIMME!"
The only reason you have the job that you do is because we give you our money. One more time, because it's obvious you forget this all the time. We. Give. You. Our. Money.
You took a risk. You failed to meet the promises you made, repeatedly. Instead of bearing it you get in to arguments with people who have legitimate concerns because We. Gave. You. Our. Money.
If you don't like people being unreasonable, don't be a dick. I had planned on spending many more of my BTC on BFL but I'll never do it until you're gone. Your asshattery just siphons the value out of BFL. The way you treat me, your customer, and your other customers makes me never want to give you my money again.
If someone gives. you. their. money. that's a contract. If you start making people jump through hoops after the fact while holding the "I'll cancel your order" card over their head it makes people nervous. You literally took someones money up to a year before giving them anything in return and instead of addressing their issues you say "preorder lol two more weeks." That's just dishonest you jerk. Then when, expectedly, people's anger escalates you pull this shit? Forcing a public apology from someone who offended you?
"I'm sorry oh great and powerful Jody, Lord of the Labs of Butterfly. May you find it in your benevolent and magnificent heart to permit me the privilege of having access to the goods you promised almost a year ago. Even though the last year of your life was made possible by me, and the others who put our faith, and cash, in your hands."
God damn, don't you have better things to do? If I was behind on orders like you are and owed, because you are in debt at this point, other people something I wouldn't eat or sleep unless I had to until the debt was paid.
I like giving my money to people who make my life easier. It's an even bigger bonus when those people are nice. You're a dick. You don't even respect the people who are employing you. And I'll be doing my part to make this world a better place by never giving you my money again.
In order for me to keep my pre-orders Josh is making me do the following:
Therefore, in the best interest of Cognitive, the people who have purchased pre-orders from me, and myself:
Also, I apologize to all who I may have put risk by speculating that BFL may have been acting in a dishonest fashion. If I had known that the cancellation of orders placed by me would result of this I would not have acted in such a way, as that would be a direct violation of the fiduciary duty imposed on me by handing others' assets.
- Apologize Publicly for calling Josh and BFL liars
- Admit "Werner" is a sock puppet account uner my control
- Apologize for using "Werner" to troll him
Therefore, in the best interest of Cognitive, the people who have purchased pre-orders from me, and myself:
Dear Inaba and BFL:
Sorry for calling you liars. Werner is a sock puppet account under my control. Sorry for utilizing said account to "troll" you.
With regret,
Garr255
Also, I apologize to all who I may have put risk by speculating that BFL may have been acting in a dishonest fashion. If I had known that the cancellation of orders placed by me would result of this I would not have acted in such a way, as that would be a direct violation of the fiduciary duty imposed on me by handing others' assets.
wow just wow, most people will ask where is you pride, but you just proved that you control your ego, most people will say you are a coward but I think it takes allot of courage to do this.
Josh and BFL employees, regarding these angry people who post all kind of things you do not like, don't you think that this is justified by looking to the fact that your plans went so wrong, your customers had trusted you by putting pre-orders and each time something went wrong you came here and humiliated every one said anything about it ?
So let me get this straight:
You think it's ok to make baseless accusations.
You think it's ok to use a sock puppet account to troll people.
You think it's ok to lie about said socket puppet account and explicitly post a contradictory post when caught in said lie.
Does that about cover it? If BFL "humiliated everyone said anything about it" this forum would be filled with nothing but BFL posts. If you want to complain, fine, by all means, have at it... there are many, many posts and threads doing just that. I tried to help Garr out and got nothing but crap in return, finally culminating in him using a socket puppet account to further troll the situation. Then, this lovely and incredibly disingenuous apology follows. Yes, sure.. whatever you say.
The bottom line is, if you want to get unreasonable, we simply don't want to deal with you. We have our hands full dealing with adult customers who are reasonable, we have no need for unreasonable, irrational customers throwing tantrums and screaming "Me first GIMME GIMME!"
No to be honest, I do not think it is ok, I don't know on which position is the OP that he came out this way, so I will skip this one, but to be fear I believe that whenever an argue/fight/misunderstanding there is always two parts, to clarify my statement I think you both fucked up really, he came back and did apologize which is something great, you tried to help first, but than you used the advantage to manipulate the situation.
there is plenty of jerks and scammers here around, but this doesn't clarify your attitude to customers, and this doesn't clarify the fail of your production plan, dont forget that without these customers pre-orders and trust you wouldn't start making these products.
BTW I am not a BFL customer neither an ASIC owner, and till this moment I didn't order any ASIC .
I know this is none of my business, but i thought I would drop in my 2 Satoshis on this thread.
From a historical standpoint, it was really not that long ago that calling someone a liar would get you horsewhipped at the least, or get you shot at the worst. Words, like any other action can have adverse consequences, and before we use them we should be prepared to accept those consequences. I know today that people generally feel that they should be able to say whatever they like without those consequences, but like everything else, that is only an opinion.
There is a good reason to be civil, even when you are frustrated. It makes the world a better place, and tends to bestow respect on you. Only in a schoolyard, a prison, or a trailer park can you get respect for that sort of behavior. Over the years I have learned to glean quite a bit about the past and the character of people by their choice of words, and many others I know are quite adept at this. These are critical things to know when entering into business dealings with others.
I guess what I am trying to say is, always put your best foot forward, and don't let your temper get the best of you. It will almost always cost you something if you don't, even if you don't see what it is costing you.
The bitcoin community is trying to grow, and outsiders will judge us by how we treat each other. What is written in these forum will exist for a very very very long time. It can cause real damage long after the arguments are forgotten.
From a historical standpoint, it was really not that long ago that calling someone a liar would get you horsewhipped at the least, or get you shot at the worst. Words, like any other action can have adverse consequences, and before we use them we should be prepared to accept those consequences. I know today that people generally feel that they should be able to say whatever they like without those consequences, but like everything else, that is only an opinion.
There is a good reason to be civil, even when you are frustrated. It makes the world a better place, and tends to bestow respect on you. Only in a schoolyard, a prison, or a trailer park can you get respect for that sort of behavior. Over the years I have learned to glean quite a bit about the past and the character of people by their choice of words, and many others I know are quite adept at this. These are critical things to know when entering into business dealings with others.
I guess what I am trying to say is, always put your best foot forward, and don't let your temper get the best of you. It will almost always cost you something if you don't, even if you don't see what it is costing you.
The bitcoin community is trying to grow, and outsiders will judge us by how we treat each other. What is written in these forum will exist for a very very very long time. It can cause real damage long after the arguments are forgotten.
This is one of, if not thee best post I have seen written here!
I know this is none of my business, but i thought I would drop in my 2 Satoshis on this thread.
From a historical standpoint, it was really not that long ago that calling someone a liar would get you horsewhipped at the least, or get you shot at the worst. Words, like any other action can have adverse consequences, and before we use them we should be prepared to accept those consequences. I know today that people generally feel that they should be able to say whatever they like without those consequences, but like everything else, that is only an opinion.
There is a good reason to be civil, even when you are frustrated. It makes the world a better place, and tends to bestow respect on you. Only in a schoolyard, a prison, or a trailer park can you get respect for that sort of behavior. Over the years I have learned to glean quite a bit about the past and the character of people by their choice of words, and many others I know are quite adept at this. These are critical things to know when entering into business dealings with others.
I guess what I am trying to say is, always put your best foot forward, and don't let your temper get the best of you. It will almost always cost you something if you don't, even if you don't see what it is costing you.
The bitcoin community is trying to grow, and outsiders will judge us by how we treat each other. What is written in these forum will exist for a very very very long time. It can cause real damage long after the arguments are forgotten.
From a historical standpoint, it was really not that long ago that calling someone a liar would get you horsewhipped at the least, or get you shot at the worst. Words, like any other action can have adverse consequences, and before we use them we should be prepared to accept those consequences. I know today that people generally feel that they should be able to say whatever they like without those consequences, but like everything else, that is only an opinion.
There is a good reason to be civil, even when you are frustrated. It makes the world a better place, and tends to bestow respect on you. Only in a schoolyard, a prison, or a trailer park can you get respect for that sort of behavior. Over the years I have learned to glean quite a bit about the past and the character of people by their choice of words, and many others I know are quite adept at this. These are critical things to know when entering into business dealings with others.
I guess what I am trying to say is, always put your best foot forward, and don't let your temper get the best of you. It will almost always cost you something if you don't, even if you don't see what it is costing you.
The bitcoin community is trying to grow, and outsiders will judge us by how we treat each other. What is written in these forum will exist for a very very very long time. It can cause real damage long after the arguments are forgotten.
I think I'm going to write a sitcom called 'The Butterfly Lab'.
The first episode will be called 'mean words'. It will show how Noble Josh fought off yet another customer after receiving a torrent of abuse (in the form of nasty words). The finale will be cataclysmic clash with a customer...
Noble Josh shows up at the customers door, hurling his pre-order money into his face. Josh bursts out in a fit of hysteria "DON'T SAY NASTY WORDS TO US!!", his customer looking more baffled every second.
Without giving too much of the story line away, the situation will resolve itself after Noble Josh allows the customer to re-enter the pre-order queue. On the condition that he runs down the street shouting "BFL, BFL, BFL" and on the condition that he exhibits a huge amount of happiness, if he frowns or shows any remorse he shall be shot.
The first episode will be called 'mean words'. It will show how Noble Josh fought off yet another customer after receiving a torrent of abuse (in the form of nasty words). The finale will be cataclysmic clash with a customer...
Noble Josh shows up at the customers door, hurling his pre-order money into his face. Josh bursts out in a fit of hysteria "DON'T SAY NASTY WORDS TO US!!", his customer looking more baffled every second.
Without giving too much of the story line away, the situation will resolve itself after Noble Josh allows the customer to re-enter the pre-order queue. On the condition that he runs down the street shouting "BFL, BFL, BFL" and on the condition that he exhibits a huge amount of happiness, if he frowns or shows any remorse he shall be shot.
Noble
- There must be a new definition of noble in town. But from what I can see with not just this post. The way he carries himself is far from noble ......He will be kicked off his high horse in due time before the year ends. Probably put that in your sitcom too
But at the end of the day. They have started to ship, so better late than never .... so lets just enjoy this post pictures until our "precious" arrives (In no way saying past conduct of BFL is acceptable) But it is what it is after one year.. just take it as a lesson learnt
The order was a Jalapeno initially. I paid to upgrade it to a 60gh/s SC Single, and BFL confirmed that I would not lose my place in line.
The bit-pay guys know the number BFL's database started at, and it was with my order. I placed it within ten seconds of BFL opening the forms, and nobody on the forums claimed a previous preorder until BFL started lying about it. I'm not going to be easily convinced that over 50 people placed orders via paypal exclusively in those ten seconds.
BFL: What's your excuse for this one?
Calm the fck down,
The reason why there are orders b4 you was the last FPGA orders were allowed to convert to ASICs. They've automatically become the first ones in line.
For new orders, its true that you're the first.
I had mine converted to ASIC's and my jally got shipped the same time as people in mid-late July. Hard to say what's really going on with the order list.
I think I'm going to write a sitcom called 'The Butterfly Lab'.
The first episode will be called 'mean words'. It will show how Noble Josh fought off yet another customer after receiving a torrent of abuse (in the form of nasty words). The finale will be cataclysmic clash with a customer...
Noble Josh shows up at the customers door, hurling his pre-order money into his face. Josh bursts out in a fit of hysteria "DON'T SAY NASTY WORDS TO US!!", his customer looking more baffled every second.
Without giving too much of the story line away, the situation will resolve itself after Noble Josh allows the customer to re-enter the pre-order queue. On the condition that he runs down the street shouting "BFL, BFL, BFL" and on the condition that he exhibits a huge amount of happiness, if he frowns or shows any remorse he shall be shot.
The first episode will be called 'mean words'. It will show how Noble Josh fought off yet another customer after receiving a torrent of abuse (in the form of nasty words). The finale will be cataclysmic clash with a customer...
Noble Josh shows up at the customers door, hurling his pre-order money into his face. Josh bursts out in a fit of hysteria "DON'T SAY NASTY WORDS TO US!!", his customer looking more baffled every second.
Without giving too much of the story line away, the situation will resolve itself after Noble Josh allows the customer to re-enter the pre-order queue. On the condition that he runs down the street shouting "BFL, BFL, BFL" and on the condition that he exhibits a huge amount of happiness, if he frowns or shows any remorse he shall be shot.
Congrats
Order Date?
Order Date?
first day ordering was opened. I made several that day for friends, family, and of course myself.
Decided to sell it on ebay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/190857744643?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
When the others come, I will be over my power budget. They were only supposed to be 60W miners; so, a few will need to go.
Be careful, paypal will permanently ban your account if they find you selling it.
No they won't. It's pre-orders they have had enough of...
Congrats
Order Date?
Order Date?
first day ordering was opened. I made several that day for friends, family, and of course myself.
Decided to sell it on ebay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/190857744643?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
When the others come, I will be over my power budget. They were only supposed to be 60W miners; so, a few will need to go.
Be careful, paypal will permanently ban your account if they find you selling it.
I found it cool.
I can troll BFL here and use a fake order (like #6149).
And then, you will cancel it?
I can troll BFL here and use a fake order (like #6149).
And then, you will cancel it?
I'm not going to argue you for fear I would contradict my apology.
It seems like most of you are siding with me, which I'm thankful for.
The lessons we can learn from this have already been pointed out in a few posts. I hope we can all take something away from this
It seems like most of you are siding with me, which I'm thankful for.
The lessons we can learn from this have already been pointed out in a few posts. I hope we can all take something away from this
In order for me to keep my pre-orders Josh is making me do the following:
Therefore, in the best interest of Cognitive, the people who have purchased pre-orders from me, and myself:
Also, I apologize to all who I may have put risk by speculating that BFL may have been acting in a dishonest fashion. If I had known that the cancellation of orders placed by me would result of this I would not have acted in such a way, as that would be a direct violation of the fiduciary duty imposed on me by handing others' assets.
- Apologize Publicly for calling Josh and BFL liars
- Admit "Werner" is a sock puppet account uner my control
- Apologize for using "Werner" to troll him
Therefore, in the best interest of Cognitive, the people who have purchased pre-orders from me, and myself:
Dear Inaba and BFL:
Sorry for calling you liars. Werner is a sock puppet account under my control. Sorry for utilizing said account to "troll" you.
With regret,
Garr255
Also, I apologize to all who I may have put risk by speculating that BFL may have been acting in a dishonest fashion. If I had known that the cancellation of orders placed by me would result of this I would not have acted in such a way, as that would be a direct violation of the fiduciary duty imposed on me by handing others' assets.
wow just wow, most people will ask where is you pride, but you just proved that you control your ego, most people will say you are a coward but I think it takes allot of courage to do this.
Josh and BFL employees, regarding these angry people who post all kind of things you do not like, don't you think that this is justified by looking to the fact that your plans went so wrong, your customers had trusted you by putting pre-orders and each time something went wrong you came here and humiliated every one said anything about it ?
So let me get this straight:
You think it's ok to make baseless accusations.
You think it's ok to use a sock puppet account to troll people.
You think it's ok to lie about said socket puppet account and explicitly post a contradictory post when caught in said lie.
Does that about cover it? If BFL "humiliated everyone said anything about it" this forum would be filled with nothing but BFL posts. If you want to complain, fine, by all means, have at it... there are many, many posts and threads doing just that. I tried to help Garr out and got nothing but crap in return, finally culminating in him using a socket puppet account to further troll the situation. Then, this lovely and incredibly disingenuous apology follows. Yes, sure.. whatever you say.
The bottom line is, if you want to get unreasonable, we simply don't want to deal with you. We have our hands full dealing with adult customers who are reasonable, we have no need for unreasonable, irrational customers throwing tantrums and screaming "Me first GIMME GIMME!"
With the risk of attracting haters and idiots.
Josh I would have done the exact some thing .....
Garr ... I don't know you, but from what I have read here (I read the whole thread, and some of your posts in the past on the same BFL subject) ... I can only say: shame on you and your schizophrenic personality (werner)
All the best!
one4many
You think it's ok to use a sock puppet account to troll people.
Yeah, totally with you here
That' s totally not a cool thing to do.
What a fruitcake. Why do we keep making psychopaths and sociopaths important and giving them power in this community?
But I dont' have all that much power?
[/troll-persona]
Truthspeak: That's not confined to BTCtalk or Bitcoiners. The thing is power finds sociopaths because sociopaths are the ones looking for that power the hardest in the mistaken assumption it will somehow heal the glaring holes in their personality/emotionality. <- Is that a word? If not it should be.
Holy shit!
The 50Gh BFL Single is up to $20K now on eBay!
The 50Gh BFL Single is up to $20K now on eBay!
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So let me get this straight:
You think it's ok to make baseless accusations.
You think it's ok to use a sock puppet account to troll people.
You think it's ok to lie about said socket puppet account and explicitly post a contradictory post when caught in said lie.
You think it's ok to make baseless accusations.
You think it's ok to use a sock puppet account to troll people.
You think it's ok to lie about said socket puppet account and explicitly post a contradictory post when caught in said lie.
No. But I would argue that if you actually asked him to do this, this goes in the realm of extortion and might be punishable by federal law in your country.
What I am also saying is, that as a company, this is somethign you should simply ignore. I mean, Josh, you are a knowledgable guy. That means you also know of the Streisand effect, I guess.
Almost every company in the world that is incredibly successful deals with these problems either in quiet, in court, or through a marketing funnel of willfull displayed ignorance, just to triumph as the good guys by "solving the problem."
I have seen many executives sacked for far less than you are pulling on the forums. I have seen people getting thrown to jail for extortion for less.
To give you, as a non US citizen, the federal offense you have committed, I would suggest this:
United States Code, Chapter 41 - Paragraph § 875 - Interstate Communication
a) Whoever transmits in interstate or foreign commerce any communication containing any demand or request for a ransom or reward for the release of any kidnapped person, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
(b) Whoever, with intent to extort from any person, firm, association, or corporation, any money or other thing of value, transmits in interstate or foreign commerce any communication containing any threat to kidnap any person or any threat to injure the person of another, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
(c) Whoever transmits in interstate or foreign commerce any communication containing any threat to kidnap any person or any threat to injure the person of another, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.
(d) Whoever, with intent to extort from any person, firm, association, or corporation, any money or other thing of value, transmits in interstate or foreign commerce any communication containing any threat to injure the property or reputation of the addressee or of another or the reputation of a deceased person or any threat to accuse the addressee or any other person of a crime, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.
You chose the least problematic version. Openly. So maximum of two years. Now, if you fuck with each other, it would be libel against extortion. Im not sure I wouldn't take that if I was in his shoes...
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Ican understand josh and them getting annoyed with people complaining. I could understand being a dick and trolling by pretending to cancel the order. but i really think that went a bit far. If people think they are being screwed of course they are going to lash out. (this whole situation has gone on for longer then im sure anyone would have liked, BFL included)
Threatening to do this, considering the money circumstances while they have already paid up, is a breach of contract. you can always choose to refuse to have business with someone. Threatening to cancel someone's order if he does not apologize is breaching a sales contract already made (Almost one year of waiting is absolutely enough to see it as valid and remove the argument in court they felt they did not want to any business anymore with the person, that would fall flat) could, under these circumstances, be seen as violating the United States Code.
That is one of the reasons people tend not to do shit like this openly. Inaba, of course companies pull these things all the time. Of course companies hate their customers sometimes, when they are in a pinch and barraged with complaints, a lot of them unpolite. Of course companies' are often almost helpless when Facebook Groups, G+ Groups, Twitter Accounts, Forum accounts and so on start barraging them with complaints and libel. But you know what? Going on the attack openly is the least professional, while possibly fun, approach you can take, because this nice open communication is at that moment evident of court cases. Threatening to move people's order line on your own forums (Jody did that), making someone write a written apology for not having his and his friends order canceled?
I am sorry to say this Josh, but I really hope you do good with your customers through the product now. Because in the US of A, there is only thing more insane than gun laws: The federal court system with trigger happy prosecutors. And I don't know why you did it, but you just put a target mark on yourself. Openly, on a public forum...
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You think it's ok to use a sock puppet account to troll people.
Yeah, totally with you here
That' s totally not a cool thing to do.
What a fruitcake. Why do we keep making psychopaths and sociopaths important and giving them power in this community?
You think it's ok to use a sock puppet account to troll people.
Yeah, totally with you here
That' s totally not a cool thing to do.
Ican understand josh and them getting annoyed with people complaining. I could understand being a dick and trolling by pretending to cancel the order. but i really think that went a bit far. If people think they are being screwed of course they are going to lash out. (this whole situation has gone on for longer then im sure anyone would have liked, BFL included)
That aside!
(key bits of info..)
Nemesis : "The reason why there are orders b4 you was the last FPGA orders were allowed to convert to ASICs. They've automatically become the first ones in line."
Inaba: "Nemesis is correct. There are a number of orders that are before the first Bitpay order, dating back well before #1600."
Garr: "My FPGA Upgrade orders got added to the queue like any other new order"
at which point things got out of hand..
So im curious. I cant see BFL's database so im sorta guessing...
i guess ill go with...
'Garrs FPGA orders are not first, and so havnt been shipped yet.'
with either one of the following.
-1:The order number for FPGA's doesnt matter, they are still being shipped before the 1600's even if they havnt all shipped yet.
-2:Garr waited too long and missing the 'front of the line' train? so that fpga order is indeed to be shipped later.
Does anyone want to clarify? (trying to be as much on the sidelines as possible)
That aside!
(key bits of info..)
Nemesis : "The reason why there are orders b4 you was the last FPGA orders were allowed to convert to ASICs. They've automatically become the first ones in line."
Inaba: "Nemesis is correct. There are a number of orders that are before the first Bitpay order, dating back well before #1600."
Garr: "My FPGA Upgrade orders got added to the queue like any other new order"
at which point things got out of hand..
So im curious. I cant see BFL's database so im sorta guessing...
i guess ill go with...
'Garrs FPGA orders are not first, and so havnt been shipped yet.'
with either one of the following.
-1:The order number for FPGA's doesnt matter, they are still being shipped before the 1600's even if they havnt all shipped yet.
-2:Garr waited too long and missing the 'front of the line' train? so that fpga order is indeed to be shipped later.
Does anyone want to clarify? (trying to be as much on the sidelines as possible)
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