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Topic: Recieved 50GH BFL Single Today! - page 23. (Read 51113 times)
i understand the law and i think BFL should be punished in some way maybe donations to charity, i dont agree with people constantly suing each other for every small thing that goes wrong, im happy to admit BFL make mistakes and where way to optimistic in there date setting but we havnt lost anything but time and maybe a few hairs XD
also i feel the pain i have preorders that are going to ship soon.... am i going to sue BFL no... unlike alot of people incapable of reading you knew they where developing the technology from scratch so there was a risk of it being delayed
also i feel the pain i have preorders that are going to ship soon.... am i going to sue BFL no... unlike alot of people incapable of reading you knew they where developing the technology from scratch so there was a risk of it being delayed
I come back for one day to Bitcoin to see the products that BFL has completely skimped out on, congratulate the people who finally got them, and all I'm reading is Josh & BFL trashing their own customers. They have no right.
*Hands a company over $1,000 in cash. Doesn't receive a physical product in over a year with little communication and lies.*
Yep, everyone is unreasonable and losing temper to right justify their year old orders to be canceled. You hit the logic nail on the head.
(And some paid for minirigs, they gave them even more money than a measly 1k.)
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im going to say this your all idiots you loose your temper you get punished.... and rightly so u would cancel anyone's orders that was proving to be aggressive or unreasonable.
*Hands a company over $1,000 in cash. Doesn't receive a physical product in over a year with little communication and lies.*
Yep, everyone is unreasonable and losing temper to right justify their year old orders to be canceled. You hit the logic nail on the head.
(And some paid for minirigs, they gave them even more money than a measly 1k.)
im going to say this your all idiots you loose your temper you get punished.... and rightly so u would cancel anyone's orders that was proving to be aggressive or unreasonable. you also forget at the end of the day Josh is not a PR man hes not be trained in the art of dealing with complete and utter tools so ofcorse hes going to loose his temper...... to be honest im surprised he does as well as he does.... you lost your temper and attacked him so you made it personal... if i was him id have kicked your ass into the next state
there is nothing worse than people loosing there tempers but when you get 2 or 3 of them in a day even the most calm people will blow up.
in the end its your own god damn faulty you dont bite the hand that feed you. anyone trying to sue BFL will not only loose any sense of respect from me and most of the community but also fails to understand new technology and to be blunt you invested in a chance and sadly BFL didnt get it quite right..... but thats what happens you roll the dice and you play the risk game. youve been able to get refunds which BFL didnt have to legaly do as the contract says no refunds so be happy you havnt lost eveything.... now get lost and dont come back
there is nothing worse than people loosing there tempers but when you get 2 or 3 of them in a day even the most calm people will blow up.
in the end its your own god damn faulty you dont bite the hand that feed you. anyone trying to sue BFL will not only loose any sense of respect from me and most of the community but also fails to understand new technology and to be blunt you invested in a chance and sadly BFL didnt get it quite right..... but thats what happens you roll the dice and you play the risk game. youve been able to get refunds which BFL didnt have to legaly do as the contract says no refunds so be happy you havnt lost eveything.... now get lost and dont come back
Funny how people with no ethics, morals, or empathy also have no understanding of the law.
Coincidence? Probably not.
im going to say this your all idiots you loose your temper you get punished.... and rightly so u would cancel anyone's orders that was proving to be aggressive or unreasonable. you also forget at the end of the day Josh is not a PR man hes not be trained in the art of dealing with complete and utter tools so ofcorse hes going to loose his temper...... to be honest im surprised he does as well as he does.... you lost your temper and attacked him so you made it personal... if i was him id have kicked your ass into the next state
there is nothing worse than people loosing there tempers but when you get 2 or 3 of them in a day even the most calm people will blow up.
in the end its your own god damn faulty you dont bite the hand that feed you. anyone trying to sue BFL will not only loose any sense of respect from me and most of the community but also fails to understand new technology and to be blunt you invested in a chance and sadly BFL didnt get it quite right..... but thats what happens you roll the dice and you play the risk game. youve been able to get refunds which BFL didnt have to legaly do as the contract says no refunds so be happy you havnt lost eveything.... now get lost and dont come back
there is nothing worse than people loosing there tempers but when you get 2 or 3 of them in a day even the most calm people will blow up.
in the end its your own god damn faulty you dont bite the hand that feed you. anyone trying to sue BFL will not only loose any sense of respect from me and most of the community but also fails to understand new technology and to be blunt you invested in a chance and sadly BFL didnt get it quite right..... but thats what happens you roll the dice and you play the risk game. youve been able to get refunds which BFL didnt have to legaly do as the contract says no refunds so be happy you havnt lost eveything.... now get lost and dont come back
BFL please fire Josh as quick as possible. This is pathetic.
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BFL can cancel orders for any reason (excluding discriminatory ones like race, gender, etc.), and if they refund the order money there's no harm done, in the legal sense.
Not true. I've been informed this is a Breach of Contract and Civil RICO offense.
Contract law is all about making the damaged party "whole", ie. recovering their losses. If the purchase price is refunded there are no damages. Potential lost profits on a speculative crypto-currency don't count.
RICO, as in racketeering? Please.
If what you say is true, then I could buy a future contract to sell one ounce of gold at $1600 2 years from now. If the price of gold is higher than that, I "refund" the original price to the contract holder and unilaterally dissolve the contract, otherwise I just buy the gold for cheaper and sell it for $1600. The other party was expecting to be able to buy that ounce of gold and then turn around and sell it (or use it) at a profit. They waited 2 years for that opportunity, and I took it from them by "refunding" the original price.
Your interpretation of contract law would destroy every futures and options market in the country. It would also be mistaken.
I was actually going to order 100-150 BFL chips, but after realizing they will cancel orders because of complaining... no thanks. I'll give my money to someone else.
Wise move.
I was actually going to order 100-150 BFL chips, but after realizing they will cancel orders because of complaining... no thanks. I'll give my money to someone else.
BFL please fire Josh as quick as possible. This is pathetic.
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Why do Bitcoin people always tend to not understand that being transparent when in a legal process is not a good idea?
If he intends to create trouble, he already disclosed far too much with noticing this phone call.
If he intends to create trouble, he already disclosed far too much with noticing this phone call.
1) I don't appreciate being called a liar or accused of making hollow threats. Only divulging that vague fact to demonstrate how serious I am in my legal pursuits and how surreal things are becoming.
2) I've already apologized to Josh directly in the past, and recognized I lost my cool after waiting for 11 months of broken promises and constant delays.
3) The nice lady informed me I was not the only person she was calling.
4) We would not be pursuing this legally if we did not have a case. We do.
5) I never intended to "create trouble". Certainly not to the level it is currently approaching.
6) We wouldn't even be in this thread, or have such outrage and contempt if Josh did not act out in the way he does towards this community.
I think the market value would have to be calculated at the secondary market price for miners at the time garr's items would have been delivered had they not been canceled. As more miners ship out the market price will continue to drop.
Yes, I agree fully. The simple thing to do would be to show posts from Jody about then they have "delivered through" and then show several ebay auctions around that time as "comparables." It's a pretty easy case to set up. If BFLs lawyers are worth anything I doubt it would go to trial. They'd want to settle with a gag order to prevent others from sharing the strategy.
I also forgot that BFL would be on the hook for the legal fees, which are typically 1/3rd of the award.
Ah good grief. It's really funny to see how BFL conducts business, and since I don't have a BFL preorder I can chirp them all I want!
Guess I can start a business, if you have a BFL preorder and want to voice your opinion PM me, and I'll make the message anonymously public.
But good riddance BFL! Ya bunch of f*ckers! Your PR is a joke and clearly your company is too! You're a year behind on pre-orders, get real you idiots! Now you're debating your shitty business with customers and cancelling their pre-orders for voicing their concerns? Get off your high horse!
Guess I can start a business, if you have a BFL preorder and want to voice your opinion PM me, and I'll make the message anonymously public.
But good riddance BFL! Ya bunch of f*ckers! Your PR is a joke and clearly your company is too! You're a year behind on pre-orders, get real you idiots! Now you're debating your shitty business with customers and cancelling their pre-orders for voicing their concerns? Get off your high horse!
Contract law is all about making the damaged party "whole", ie. recovering their losses. If the purchase price is refunded there are no damages. Potential lost profits on a speculative crypto-currency don't count.
RICO, as in racketeering? Please.
RICO, as in racketeering? Please.
I agree with your interpretation of contract law, but for any party who has had a pre-order cancelled to be made whole, they would need to receive the fair market value for the object contracted. This means if the ebay auction for the 50 GHps miner goes to $30,000, then the fiduciary responsibility of BFL would be $30,000 per miner, not the original purchase price. This has nothing to do with speculative cryptocurrency prices, but the real price of ASIC miners in the market. It would be easy to show the value from similar Avalon auctions as well.
I'll give you an example to make this more clear. Let's say you contracted with a gold company in 2008 to give you a delivery of one ounce of gold 3 months later and gave them $870. Then they had some delays at the mine and you said, don't worry, just give it to me next season. then the next season rolls around and an ounce of gold has gone above $1,000. Do you think any court in the land would allow the mine to just give you back your $870 and keep the ounce of gold?
In this case, I think Gar225 was wrong in his complaint as these were full FPGA orders paid before 6/23 that were converted to ASIC orders, and not ASIC orders with FPGA upgrade. Many people on the chatbox have talked about this weeks ago, so this isn't a surprise to those who pay attention. At the same time, I would be surprised that BFL could come out of forcibly cancelling an order without actual damages (including the secondary market value of a miner but also those for loss of sleep and mental suffering) and possibly punitive damages awarded against them. This is the opinion someone who was married to a law student and also someone who has been involved in two successful lawsuits (although neither was for breech of contract). The fact of the matter is that the bar is ridiculously low to get an award, and in both of the cases I was in, the lawyers were falling over themselves to settle because the additional "losses" you can show are so high to be punitive in themselves.
I think the market value would have to be calculated at the secondary market price for miners at the time garr's items would have been delivered had they not been canceled. As more miners ship out the market price will continue to drop.
Interesting analysis though. I suppose the only way to know for sure would be to file a suit and see how it turns out. If BFL makes a habit of canceling orders in response to criticism, someone will drag them into court eventually. I just hope my order arrives first.
Hey Inaba, is there some kind of list you can put me on to ban me from ever being able to buy anything from BFL forever?
Wow getting a refund in USD instead of bitcoin is like telling him oh ok without even asking for it you get a refund in Zimbabwe's Dollar instead of the U.S. dollar you paid with. And he has the guts to call bitcointalk forum users Asshole. 
In order for me to keep my pre-orders Josh is making me do the following:
Therefore, in the best interest of Cognitive, the people who have purchased pre-orders from me, and myself:
Also, I apologize to all who I may have put risk by speculating that BFL may have been acting in a dishonest fashion. If I had known that the cancellation of orders placed by me would result of this I would not have acted in such a way, as that would be a direct violation of the fiduciary duty imposed on me by handing others' assets.
- Apologize Publicly for calling Josh and BFL liars
- Admit "Werner" is a sock puppet account uner my control
- Apologize for using "Werner" to troll him
Therefore, in the best interest of Cognitive, the people who have purchased pre-orders from me, and myself:
Dear Inaba and BFL:
Sorry for calling you liars. Werner is a sock puppet account under my control. Sorry for utilizing said account to "troll" you.
With regret,
Garr255
Also, I apologize to all who I may have put risk by speculating that BFL may have been acting in a dishonest fashion. If I had known that the cancellation of orders placed by me would result of this I would not have acted in such a way, as that would be a direct violation of the fiduciary duty imposed on me by handing others' assets.
wow just wow, most people will ask where is you pride, but you just proved that you control your ego, most people will say you are a coward but I think it takes allot of courage to do this.
Josh and BFL employees, regarding these angry people who post all kind of things you do not like, don't you think that this is justified by looking to the fact that your plans went so wrong, your customers had trusted you by putting pre-orders and each time something went wrong you came here and humiliated every one said anything about it ?
So let me get this straight:
You think it's ok to make baseless accusations.
You think it's ok to use a sock puppet account to troll people.
You think it's ok to lie about said socket puppet account and explicitly post a contradictory post when caught in said lie.
Does that about cover it? If BFL "humiliated everyone said anything about it" this forum would be filled with nothing but BFL posts. If you want to complain, fine, by all means, have at it... there are many, many posts and threads doing just that. I tried to help Garr out and got nothing but crap in return, finally culminating in him using a socket puppet account to further troll the situation. Then, this lovely and incredibly disingenuous apology follows. Yes, sure.. whatever you say.
The bottom line is, if you want to get unreasonable, we simply don't want to deal with you. We have our hands full dealing with adult customers who are reasonable, we have no need for unreasonable, irrational customers throwing tantrums and screaming "Me first GIMME GIMME!"
Fuck you Josh. Your BFL venture is the ORIGINAL unreasonable, irrational, unprofessional seed that created this entire shitstorm.
edit: i had a preorder jally, got a refund 2 months after I placed the order after seeing their mis-direction and outright lies.
So let me get this straight:
You think it's ok to say I'm a scammer.
You think it's ok to say I'm a liar.
You think it's ok to show proof that I'm a scammer and that I'm a liar.
Does that about cover it?
You think it's ok to say I'm a scammer.
You think it's ok to say I'm a liar.
You think it's ok to show proof that I'm a scammer and that I'm a liar.
Does that about cover it?
Yes, yes and yes.
You are a lieing piece of shit. Now go make up some imaginary 1k donations to imaginary charities for having fucked up, go bribe disreputable idiots a la coinjedi and lukejr to run your shills and all the rest of the crap.
Scammer.
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