Duly noted Garr and I understand your concerns. I will get your refund processed first thing tomorrow when I get into the office.
That's not how you do business. You gonna regret that post.
Topic: Recieved 50GH BFL Single Today! - page 21. (Read 51113 times)
That's not how you do business. You gonna regret that post.
On a related note, someone posted this old nugget on Reddit about Ocean Marketing / Paul Christoforo that is somewhat apropos.
It's a worthwhile read.
http://venturebeat.com/2011/12/27/ocean-marketing-how-to-self-destruct-your-company-with-just-a-few-measly-emails/
It's a worthwhile read.
http://venturebeat.com/2011/12/27/ocean-marketing-how-to-self-destruct-your-company-with-just-a-few-measly-emails/
Hey all, regarding the Werner account:
I am not allowed to argue against what I have stated in my apology to BFL and Josh, else they will cancel my orders, which would be devastating.
I had to swallow my pride and set my ego aside so I could act in the best interest of others, as I stated previously. What I can say: It is appalling that someone would accuse me of doing something as low as bidding up my own auctions. You make me sick.
As I said, I'm not going to argue against the all-powerful BFL only because I value those orders more than a few peoples' opinions of me.
--Garr
I am not allowed to argue against what I have stated in my apology to BFL and Josh, else they will cancel my orders, which would be devastating.
I had to swallow my pride and set my ego aside so I could act in the best interest of others, as I stated previously. What I can say: It is appalling that someone would accuse me of doing something as low as bidding up my own auctions. You make me sick.
As I said, I'm not going to argue against the all-powerful BFL only because I value those orders more than a few peoples' opinions of me.
--Garr
You have to wonder if these people saying they are cancelling their order, after many months of waiting when shipping is obviously near, actually do so, or even have a BFL order in the first place , and are simply trolling.
For everyone that cancels, several will take their place. It's a sellers market, and looks like it will stay that for a few months at least, until the Avalon chips ship in bulk.
For everyone that cancels, several will take their place. It's a sellers market, and looks like it will stay that for a few months at least, until the Avalon chips ship in bulk.
\jumps off sidelines
Please, more of these.. My hardware hasn't shipped yet.
\jumps back onto sidelines
Cancelling my orders straight away.
Please, more of these.. My hardware hasn't shipped yet.
\jumps back onto sidelines
I am in the same situation so I invested in this mining company: http://cognitivemining.com/
They already had asic purchase, the first actually. So now we can own part of that first purchase!
They already had asic purchase, the first actually. So now we can own part of that first purchase!
Here is a post from March 15th, also in the newbies forum, where Werner is saying that he invested in Cognitivemining. Owned by Garr255.
Check this out: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/selling-the-very-first-bfl-asic-order-159808
You can buy the first order here!
You can buy the first order here!
Here's another post in the same thread from March 27th, in the newbies forum, where Werner is telling them that they can buy The VERY FIRST BFL ASIC Order. Owned by Garr255.
That was at least interesting.
Look how Garr pumps up the price of his own auction with his Werner sockpuppet. That totally deserves a scammer tag.
In order for me to keep my pre-orders Josh is making me do the following:
Therefore, in the best interest of Cognitive, the people who have purchased pre-orders from me, and myself:
Also, I apologize to all who I may have put at risk by speculating that BFL may have been acting in a dishonest fashion. If I had known that the cancellation of orders placed by me would result of this I would not have acted in such a way, as that would be a direct violation of the fiduciary duty imposed on me by handling others' assets.
- Apologize Publicly for calling Josh and BFL liars
- Admit "Werner" is a sock puppet account uner my control
- Apologize for using "Werner" to troll him
Therefore, in the best interest of Cognitive, the people who have purchased pre-orders from me, and myself:
Dear Inaba and BFL:
Sorry for calling you liars. Werner is a sock puppet account under my control. Sorry for utilizing said account to "troll" you.
With regret,
Garr255
Also, I apologize to all who I may have put at risk by speculating that BFL may have been acting in a dishonest fashion. If I had known that the cancellation of orders placed by me would result of this I would not have acted in such a way, as that would be a direct violation of the fiduciary duty imposed on me by handling others' assets.
Josh the sociopath publicly humiliating customers exploiting their greed and cowardness.
Please ban me from every business in which you will ever be involved, from this very moment I will never ever again give you trust nor money.
The order was a Jalapeno initially. I paid to upgrade it to a 60gh/s SC Single, and BFL confirmed that I would not lose my place in line.
The bit-pay guys know the number BFL's database started at, and it was with my order. I placed it within ten seconds of BFL opening the forms, and nobody on the forums claimed a previous preorder until BFL started lying about it. I'm not going to be easily convinced that over 50 people placed orders via paypal exclusively in those ten seconds.
BFL: What's your excuse for this one?
Calm the fck down,
The reason why there are orders b4 you was the last FPGA orders were allowed to convert to ASICs. They've automatically become the first ones in line.
For new orders, its true that you're the first.
Nemesis is correct. There are a number of orders that are before the first Bitpay order, dating back well before #1600. Garr, you can officially piss off at this point and take your accusations and stick them straight up your ass. I tried to be nice and I wanted to help you and you give me all sorts of shit and accusations. This is why we no longer give a shit about this forum; Everyone here is monumental assholes, no matter how accommodating one tries to be. Garr, you'll get your order when it comes up in the queue, I'm done looking into your problems or trying to help you.
Cancelling my orders straight away. You guys do not deserve the trust and the money of your customers.
I have a descent size order of 60gh units that was paid for at the beginning of april 2012 because my fpga order was never logged in the system. I guess I'm not the only one.
Its very common for all these mining companies having sock puppets to vouch for their business so they can scam all the newbies.
But, but...he said:
Quote
I assure you that all others who have interacted me would call me an outstandingly professional and integratable person.
Now, aside this BFL story, I never believed in sock-puppets accusations. (call me naive, yes)
I thought...what would be the real purpose of such account?
I mean, what the heck can I do with a new account and I can't do with the old one?
So now that I found that I was wrong...really Garr255, what is the purpose of this Werner account of yours?
I am just curious.
I thought...what would be the real purpose of such account?
I mean, what the heck can I do with a new account and I can't do with the old one?
So now that I found that I was wrong...really Garr255, what is the purpose of this Werner account of yours?
I am just curious.
I have been wondering this since I was also doubtful of amount that "sockpuppet" was thrown around. So taking a brief trip down Werner's history revealed a few interesting points:
I am in the same situation so I invested in this mining company: http://cognitivemining.com/
They already had asic purchase, the first actually. So now we can own part of that first purchase!
They already had asic purchase, the first actually. So now we can own part of that first purchase!
Here is a post from March 15th, also in the newbies forum, where Werner is saying that he invested in Cognitivemining. Owned by Garr255.
Check this out: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/selling-the-very-first-bfl-asic-order-159808
You can buy the first order here!
You can buy the first order here!
Here's another post in the same thread from March 27th, in the newbies forum, where Werner is telling them that they can buy The VERY FIRST BFL ASIC Order. Owned by Garr255.
Speculation from here: Aside from these the post history has a break from early March to January, and the writing style switching noticeably, and shows tendencies of a non-native English writer in some parts. This is different from the March-to-present writing, although the amount of text to work with there is admittedly limited.
Its very common for all these mining companies having sock puppets to vouch for their business so they can scam all the newbies.
Josh, please refund this joker and let his mining scam fall apart.
I'm not allowed to argue the multiple accounts issue, because I want to keep my preorder.
What is there to argue? You already admitted that Werner, who has stopped posting since one minute after the post in this thread is you.
Sorry for calling you liars. Werner is a sock puppet account under my control. Sorry for utilizing said account to "troll" you.
With regret,
Garr255
With regret,
Garr255
I don't appreciate you taking my quote out of context.
In order for me to keep my pre-orders Josh is making me do the following:
Therefore, in the best interest of Cognitive, the people who have purchased pre-orders from me, and myself:
Also, I apologize to all who I may have put at risk by speculating that BFL may have been acting in a dishonest fashion. If I had known that the cancellation of orders placed by me would result of this I would not have acted in such a way, as that would be a direct violation of the fiduciary duty imposed on me by handling others' assets.
- Apologize Publicly for calling Josh and BFL liars
- Admit "Werner" is a sock puppet account uner my control
- Apologize for using "Werner" to troll him
Therefore, in the best interest of Cognitive, the people who have purchased pre-orders from me, and myself:
Dear Inaba and BFL:
Sorry for calling you liars. Werner is a sock puppet account under my control. Sorry for utilizing said account to "troll" you.
With regret,
Garr255
Also, I apologize to all who I may have put at risk by speculating that BFL may have been acting in a dishonest fashion. If I had known that the cancellation of orders placed by me would result of this I would not have acted in such a way, as that would be a direct violation of the fiduciary duty imposed on me by handling others' assets.
Oh Fuck off. You've got some nerve, little piece of shit.
I am in the same situation so I invested in this mining company: http://cognitivemining.com/
They already had asic purchase, the first actually. So now we can own part of that first purchase!
They already had asic purchase, the first actually. So now we can own part of that first purchase!
Here is a post from March 15th, also in the newbies forum, where Werner is saying that he invested in Cognitivemining. Owned by Garr255.
Check this out: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/selling-the-very-first-bfl-asic-order-159808
You can buy the first order here!
You can buy the first order here!
Here's another post in the same thread from March 27th, in the newbies forum, where Werner is telling them that they can buy The VERY FIRST BFL ASIC Order. Owned by Garr255.
That was at least interesting.
The more posts I read of Josh, the happier I am that I never ordered anything from BFL. What an asshole! 
I'm not allowed to argue the multiple accounts issue, because I want to keep my preorder.
What is there to argue? You already admitted that Werner, who has stopped posting since one minute after the post in this thread is you.
Sorry for calling you liars. Werner is a sock puppet account under my control. Sorry for utilizing said account to "troll" you.
With regret,
Garr255
With regret,
Garr255
I don't appreciate you taking my quote out of context.
In order for me to keep my pre-orders Josh is making me do the following:
Therefore, in the best interest of Cognitive, the people who have purchased pre-orders from me, and myself:
Also, I apologize to all who I may have put at risk by speculating that BFL may have been acting in a dishonest fashion. If I had known that the cancellation of orders placed by me would result of this I would not have acted in such a way, as that would be a direct violation of the fiduciary duty imposed on me by handling others' assets.
- Apologize Publicly for calling Josh and BFL liars
- Admit "Werner" is a sock puppet account uner my control
- Apologize for using "Werner" to troll him
Therefore, in the best interest of Cognitive, the people who have purchased pre-orders from me, and myself:
Dear Inaba and BFL:
Sorry for calling you liars. Werner is a sock puppet account under my control. Sorry for utilizing said account to "troll" you.
With regret,
Garr255
Also, I apologize to all who I may have put at risk by speculating that BFL may have been acting in a dishonest fashion. If I had known that the cancellation of orders placed by me would result of this I would not have acted in such a way, as that would be a direct violation of the fiduciary duty imposed on me by handling others' assets.
Right. One of the points in there was admitting that you were Werner. That confirmation along with this is more than sufficient for the objective reader. Again, what is there to argue about?
Exactly my thoughts
Now, aside this BFL story, I never believed in sock-puppets accusations. (call me naive, yes)
I thought...what would be the real purpose of such account?
I mean, what the heck can I do with a new account and I can't do with the old one?
So now that I found that I was wrong...really Garr255, what is the purpose of this Werner account of yours?
I am just curious.
I thought...what would be the real purpose of such account?
I mean, what the heck can I do with a new account and I can't do with the old one?
So now that I found that I was wrong...really Garr255, what is the purpose of this Werner account of yours?
I am just curious.
I have been wondering this since I was also doubtful of amount that "sockpuppet" was thrown around. So taking a brief trip down Werner's history revealed a few interesting points:
I am in the same situation so I invested in this mining company: http://cognitivemining.com/
They already had asic purchase, the first actually. So now we can own part of that first purchase!
They already had asic purchase, the first actually. So now we can own part of that first purchase!
Here is a post from March 15th, also in the newbies forum, where Werner is saying that he invested in Cognitivemining. Owned by Garr255.
Check this out: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/selling-the-very-first-bfl-asic-order-159808
You can buy the first order here!
You can buy the first order here!
Here's another post in the same thread from March 27th, in the newbies forum, where Werner is telling them that they can buy The VERY FIRST BFL ASIC Order. Owned by Garr255.
Speculation from here: Aside from these the post history has a break from early March to January, and the writing style switching noticeably, and shows tendencies of a non-native English writer in some parts. This is different from the March-to-present writing, although the amount of text to work with there is admittedly limited.
The order was a Jalapeno initially. I paid to upgrade it to a 60gh/s SC Single, and BFL confirmed that I would not lose my place in line.
The bit-pay guys know the number BFL's database started at, and it was with my order. I placed it within ten seconds of BFL opening the forms, and nobody on the forums claimed a previous preorder until BFL started lying about it. I'm not going to be easily convinced that over 50 people placed orders via paypal exclusively in those ten seconds.
BFL: What's your excuse for this one?
Calm the fck down,
The reason why there are orders b4 you was the last FPGA orders were allowed to convert to ASICs. They've automatically become the first ones in line.
For new orders, its true that you're the first.
Nemesis is correct. There are a number of orders that are before the first Bitpay order, dating back well before #1600. Garr, you can officially piss off at this point and take your accusations and stick them straight up your ass. I tried to be nice and I wanted to help you and you give me all sorts of shit and accusations. This is why we no longer give a shit about this forum; Everyone here is monumental assholes, no matter how accommodating one tries to be. Garr, you'll get your order when it comes up in the queue, I'm done looking into your problems or trying to help you.
Cancelling my orders straight away. You guys do not deserve the trust and the money of your customers.
It's a sellers market, makes me laugh when I see people waiting on product start smearing and defaming the supplier. Obviously ever heard "Don"t bite the hand that feeds you"
you also forget at the end of the day Josh is not a PR man hes not be trained in the art of dealing with complete and utter tools so ofcorse hes going to loose his temper...... to be honest im surprised he does as well as he does
No need to make excuses for him. Let's see what he has to say...
I can replace both a technical lead and a PR/community lead
Actually, he is a PR guy.
Everyone here is monumental assholes
Quite an interesting way of handling PR.
I'm not allowed to argue the multiple accounts issue, because I want to keep my preorder.
What is there to argue? You already admitted that Werner, who has stopped posting since one minute after the post in this thread is you.
Sorry for calling you liars. Werner is a sock puppet account under my control. Sorry for utilizing said account to "troll" you.
With regret,
Garr255
With regret,
Garr255
I don't appreciate you taking my quote out of context.
In order for me to keep my pre-orders Josh is making me do the following:
Therefore, in the best interest of Cognitive, the people who have purchased pre-orders from me, and myself:
Also, I apologize to all who I may have put at risk by speculating that BFL may have been acting in a dishonest fashion. If I had known that the cancellation of orders placed by me would result of this I would not have acted in such a way, as that would be a direct violation of the fiduciary duty imposed on me by handling others' assets.
- Apologize Publicly for calling Josh and BFL liars
- Admit "Werner" is a sock puppet account uner my control
- Apologize for using "Werner" to troll him
Therefore, in the best interest of Cognitive, the people who have purchased pre-orders from me, and myself:
Dear Inaba and BFL:
Sorry for calling you liars. Werner is a sock puppet account under my control. Sorry for utilizing said account to "troll" you.
With regret,
Garr255
Also, I apologize to all who I may have put at risk by speculating that BFL may have been acting in a dishonest fashion. If I had known that the cancellation of orders placed by me would result of this I would not have acted in such a way, as that would be a direct violation of the fiduciary duty imposed on me by handling others' assets.
Right. One of the points in there was admitting that you were Werner. That confirmation along with this is more than sufficient for the objective reader. Again, what is there to argue about?
Now, aside this BFL story, I never believed in sock-puppets accusations. (call me naive, yes)
I thought...what would be the real purpose of such account?
I mean, what the heck can I do with a new account and I can't do with the old one?
So now that I found that I was wrong...really Garr255, what is the purpose of this Werner account of yours?
I am just curious.
I thought...what would be the real purpose of such account?
I mean, what the heck can I do with a new account and I can't do with the old one?
So now that I found that I was wrong...really Garr255, what is the purpose of this Werner account of yours?
I am just curious.
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