Topic: Reddit’s science forum banned climate deniers. - page 112. (Read 636443 times)

I totally believe climate change is real and is, in part, man driven but I do not agree with censoring those who do not believe as I do.

Don't you get it? 

YES, Colder Winters.  DUH, that's what people mean when they say more extreme temperature swings.

ALSO, Hotter Summers.  Same thing.  More extreme temperature swings.

People only called it "warming" because while this is all happening the AVERAGE temperature is going up.

Norway – Popular hiking trail closed – 1½ meters more snow than normal

Do you have plans to go on one of Norway’s most popular hikes over Besseggen? You’ll have to wait. Boats cannot leave because of ice, and in the mountains there is still too much snow. “I’ve never experienced anything like that,” says Harald Øvstedal. “It’s a meter or one and a half more than is usual. “We lose financially that we do not get started on Saturday, but we just have to hope people come back later in the summer,” says Øvstedal. Last year Besseggen was named one of the 20 most exciting hikes by National Geographic magazine.

http://www.nrk.no/ho/ma-utsette-besseggen-tur-1.12394052

New Zealand looking at record low temperatures

JUNE 22, 2015

“One of our coldest days in history,” shouts headline. “New Zealand shivers as mercury plummets. ”Temperatures at Lake Pukaki dropped to -22 C (-7.6 F) overnight as the big freeze continues to envelop New Zealand. Breakfast weather presenter Sam Wallace says the low temperatures are starting to get close to the New Zealand record, which was -25.6 degree Celsius in 1903 in Ranfurly. “It’s down there New Zealand, one of our coldest days in history,” said Wallace. ‘It’s temperatures like I’ve never seen before. ’“Boy we’re in for a cold one New Zealand. we’re actually looking at record temperatures,” he says. Lake Pukaki is west of Timaru and south of Aoraki/Mount Cook.The MetService said Omarama went as low as -16.7 degrees and Tekapo -13 degrees.Invercargill was at -3.6 degrees, Alexandra -5.1 degrees and Queenstown -5.3 degrees.

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/boy-we-re-in-cold-one-new-zealand-lake-pukaki-freezes-22-degree-celsius-6344074

I agree that the proposals for carbon reduction so far publicly floated are fails. 

There are geo-engineering proposals that people aren't convinced are necessary yet. They are regarded as too desperate and extreme. 

They will seem less desperate and extreme as the failure to apply them becomes more desperate and extreme.

But I suspect the decision to use them will not be made until far too late. 

As usual, I don't remember if I got the link off this board or not, but someone uploaded a vid for historical reference which is very interesting.  The movie was made in the early 1970's and was re-broadcast in the early 1990's to 'set the mood' for the 'earth summit' in Rio.  It was from this Rio summit that the Agenda 21 action plan came.  The 1972 version was apparently made as a set-up for a convention in Stockholm.

Survival of Spaceship Earth (1972)

Although one needs to have a barf bag handy to watch the thing, it is highly interesting in a number of ways.  As a tie-in to this thread, it was done closing in on half a century ago and one would, if one bought the message, believe we were at the cusp of impending disaster at that time.

The early 1970's are when my mind was  in high development phase so some of the imagery is fun for that reason.  I personally have been more on the political left and it is personally interesting to see how some of my thought patterns were formed.

More generally, the film was made at a time when Rockefeller's and the U.N.'s involvement in these types of social programs were less circumspect.  Certain of the propaganda methods were done in a more crude form than we see today.

I've heard tell that the idea of using global climate as a lever point came out of the 'Club of Rome' (whatever that is) and was rather ingenious in that 'the enemy is us' which makes it something of a perpetual war.  In the movies we see 'global warming' in it's gestational form.  One of the interviewees make mention of it, but from a more general thermodynamics point of view.  This notion is absurd from a physics point of view so in later years it was tuned to by associated with a more plausible scenario involving CO2.

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In defense of these early activists, I will say that back 50 years ago we actually were making some big mistakes and big problems.  Mostly in terms of pollution.  We've made great strides since then and in no small part due to some of their activities.  Kudos.  It is simply not cools to fuck things up when alternates exists, and it is worth reasonable sacrifices not to do so.  This philosophy was not as widely held when I was  kid in the 1970's.  Some of these people actually cared about the environment in it's own right and are smart enough to quite when we are ahead and hold the reasonable gains we've made.  I think I'm in this category.

The Great Global Warming Swindle [documentary]
https://youtu.be/D-m09lKtYT4

A good, scientifically-sound film to watch, when forming one's opinion on the matter.

Top UN Official Says Global Warming Killed Us All 15 Years Ago…






http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=SJ&s_site=mercurynews&p_multi=SJ&p_theme=realcities&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0EB7304FF9A84273&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM

No one on this planet likes to eat and swallow garbage. Certainly not on this thread, including yourself.
That is why it was faith and emotion that pushed reddit to ban people they did not agree with. People not willing to eat and swallow garbage.

CO2 makes plants green, garbage on the other hand gets into the food we eat:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pacific_garbage_patch

Do you ever wonder what effect eating these newfangled quantum dots is going to have?



EDIT:

Earth gaining energy from?

Earth is still gaining enough energy to vaporize a Sydney Harbour's worth of water every 90 minutes.

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The Pope joins the EU in a sad world of make-believe



There are two great acts of political make-believe in our time, so all-pervasive that it is hard for us to grasp just how much effect they are having on our lives


What has a Papal Encyclical calling on the world to end its use of fossil fuels and to pray to God for the success of the global “climate summit” in December got in common with the Greek euro crisis, the ominous rift between the West and Russia, and the shambles Europe is making over the desperation of African and Syrian refugees to find safety this side of the Mediterranean? They are all different aspects of the two greatest acts of political make-believe of our time, so all-pervasive that it is hard for us to grasp just how much effect they are having on all our lives.

When future historians come to look back on our age, few things will puzzle them more than the extent to which our politics became so dominated and bedevilled by two belief-systems, each based on an obsessive attempt to force into being an immensely complicated political construct which defied economic, psychological and scientific reality.


One of these was the peculiar way in which Europe’s politicians, with full support from the US, had set out to unite their continent under a form of supra-national government unlike anything the world had seen before. The other was the way those same politicians fell for the idea not just that human activities were disastrously changing Earth’s climate, but that by taking the most drastic measures they could somehow change it back again.

Although for quite a time these two belief systems seemed to carry all before them, each was essentially based on a fantasy view of the world; and it is in the nature of trying to act out a fantasy that it must eventually overreach itself, to the point where it collides unpleasantly with reality.

The essence of the “European” fantasy was not just that it could gradually weld all Europe together in “ever closer union” by overriding and eliminating the kind of nationalism which had led to wars; but that it could continually expand its own “empire”. We now see in all directions how that sense of national interest cannot be eliminated.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/11688994/The-Pope-joins-the-EU-in-a-sad-world-of-make-believe.html

It's a socialism that goes beyond nationalism, the new trendy.  Just like Islam disregards national boundaries for it's own motives.  But it can affect action and decision within a nation by bringing large forces to bear.

Things like the "great pacific garbage patch" create a visible impact on the environment. Man's "carbon" output on the other hand has the effect of a small volcano and that fits right in with the existing dynamic with no significant net change.

I don't know if climate change is the new socialism. It is something new. Proof is now the Vatican is in. It is about control as none of what is being pushed to "save the planet" is about planet saving.

It's just a tool.

The problem with using the wrong tool for the job is that it can be damaged.  If your neighbor borrows your screwdriver and uses it as a cold chisel, it will never be the same.  That is what these folks are doing to science.  The repercussions will be severely regressive and this, more than anything, is what actually pisses me off.

There are some very rational justifications for 'socialism' or at least elements of it.  When I was more amenable to them I made my arguments on truth and logic as best I was able.  Some of these arguments took hold and we realized some of the benefits in terms of respect for the environment, giving the disadvantaged a fair shake, etc.  Now this side has become greedy and they want the whole pie.  Fuck them.  They should have absorbed the lesson of the fisherman's wife.  A better outcome would be that 'they have none' than they get what they want...or are  told is what they want; they as individuals are primarily tools just as is climate change.

The ugly head of a socialist power grab, rising once again. Climate change is the new socialism.

Actually, if you know enough about the scientific findings and have thought them over, you do in fact know that all the current schemes for carbon reduction are FAILS.   You know that many of them are close to being outright frauds, and others are well into the scam category.

The discussion of such things should never be suppressed.