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legendary
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Humans will be extinct in 100 years says eminent scientist








Eminent Australian scientist Professor Frank Fenner, who helped to wipe out smallpox, predicts humans will probably be extinct within 100 years, because of overpopulation, environmental destruction and climate change.

Fenner, who is emeritus professor of microbiology at the Australian National University (ANU) in Canberra, said homo sapiens will not be able to survive the population explosion and “unbridled consumption,” and will become extinct, perhaps within a century, along with many other species. United Nations official figures from last year estimate the human population is 6.8 billion, and is predicted to pass seven billion next year.

Fenner told The Australian he tries not to express his pessimism because people are trying to do something, but keep putting it off. He said he believes the situation is irreversible, and it is too late because the effects we have had on Earth since industrialization (a period now known to scientists unofficially as the Anthropocene) rivals any effects of ice ages or comet impacts.





Fenner said that climate change is only at its beginning, but is likely to be the cause of our extinction. “We’ll undergo the same fate as the people on Easter Island,” he said. More people means fewer resources, and Fenner predicts “there will be a lot more wars over food.”

Easter Island is famous for its massive stone statues. Polynesian people settled there, in what was then a pristine tropical island, around the middle of the first millennium AD. The population grew slowly at first and then exploded. As the population grew the forests were wiped out and all the tree animals became extinct, both with devastating consequences. After about 1600 the civilization began to collapse, and had virtually disappeared by the mid-19th century. Evolutionary biologist Jared Diamond said the parallels between what happened on Easter Island and what is occurring today on the planet as a whole are “chillingly obvious.”

While many scientists are also pessimistic, others are more optimistic. Among the latter is a colleague of Professor Fenner, retired professor Stephen Boyden, who said he still hopes awareness of the problems will rise and the required revolutionary changes will be made to achieve ecological sustainability. “While there's a glimmer of hope, it's worth working to solve the problem. We have the scientific knowledge to do it but we don't have the political will,” Boyden said.

Fenner, 95, is the author or co-author of 22 books and 290 scientific papers and book chapters. His announcement in 1980 to the World Health Assembly that smallpox had been eradicated is still seen as one of the World Health Organisation’s greatest achievements. He has also been heavily involved in controlling Australia’s feral rabbit population with the myxomatosis virus.
Professor Fenner has had a lifetime interest in the environment, and from 1973 to 1979 was Director of the Centre for Resource and Environmental Studies at ANU. He is currently a visiting fellow at the John Curtin School of Medical Research at the university, and is a patron of Sustainable Population Australia. He has won numerous awards including the ANZAC Peace Prize, the WHO Medal, and the Albert Einstein World Award of Science. He was awarded an MBE for his work on control of malaria in New Guinea during the Second World War, in which Fenner served in the Royal Australian Army Medical Corps.

Professor Fenner will open the Healthy Climate, Planet and People symposium at the Australian Academy of Science next week.


http://phys.org/news/2010-06-humans-extinct-years-eminent-scientist.html


legendary
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Only 2% of the science community deny climate change. This 2% are the fools of the community and/or are sufficiently appease by big oil to continue their flakiness.
The present media, such as it is, give a bigger % of pages to the deniers than the 97% (or the can't-make-up-their-minds) 1%.

Do you really believe big oil could only afford 2% of scientists if that was their goal? Your argument doesn't even make sense based on your own premise.

Hehe yep more like they got the money to buy the 98% ^^

Given that there has been decades of false and misleading attacks on "the fossil fuel industries" personally I think it's only right they defend their position.

Otherwise you've got massive amounts of lies and propaganda, coupled with some small or unknown percentage of truth, against silence by that industry.


they're just "bidding" on every side.
so people fight each other and forget about them.
classic strategymnastic. Tongue
legendary
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Only 2% of the science community deny climate change. This 2% are the fools of the community and/or are sufficiently appease by big oil to continue their flakiness.
The present media, such as it is, give a bigger % of pages to the deniers than the 97% (or the can't-make-up-their-minds) 1%.

Do you really believe big oil could only afford 2% of scientists if that was their goal? Your argument doesn't even make sense based on your own premise.

Hehe yep more like they got the money to buy the 98% ^^

Given that there has been decades of false and misleading attacks on "the fossil fuel industries" personally I think it's only right they defend their position.

Otherwise you've got massive amounts of lies and propaganda, coupled with some small or unknown percentage of truth, against silence by that industry.
legendary
Activity: 1260
Merit: 1002
Only 2% of the science community deny climate change. This 2% are the fools of the community and/or are sufficiently appease by big oil to continue their flakiness.
The present media, such as it is, give a bigger % of pages to the deniers than the 97% (or the can't-make-up-their-minds) 1%.

Do you really believe big oil could only afford 2% of scientists if that was their goal? Your argument doesn't even make sense based on your own premise.

Hehe yep more like they got the money to buy the 98% ^^
legendary
Activity: 2926
Merit: 1386

The '97% of scientist' thing is utter crap and anyone who has a passing familiarity with various issues, definitions, disputes, etc, and who has familiarized themselves with the 'studies' from whence these figures came knows it.


and for those who haven't a passing familiarity with various issues, definitions, disputes, etc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTTaXqVEGkU

im not a huge fan of his but i like some of his stuff, this being one of the ones i liked.
A 33 minute Youtube video is enough to make me physically ill.

Sorry, no can do.

It's not very hard to debunk the 97% claim rapidly with online resources.  This doesn't even rise to the level of "lying with statistics."

Lol its not a commitment. I just start watching videos and turn them off as soon as I don't feel like watching any more. I watched about half of this one. All of the information that was delivered in that half was interesting.
Don't get me wrong on this because I am not doubting you.

It's just that except for certain things......my max attention span for youtube is about 3 minutes.

An exception...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiQN3pQ6EwM
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Record snow in Norway – Five times as much as normal

JUNE 18, 2015


Large areas of Norway still covered in snow – in June !
There is an extreme amount of snow in the mountains, both in the north and south. Satellite measurements show that 23 percent of land area in southern Norway is still covered in snow,  nearly five times more than normal in June, says senior forecaster Eirik Malnes.. In Northern Norway, the corresponding figure is 35 percent, more than double a normal year.Daily satellite measurements from the research institute NORUT in Tromsø show that nearly a quarter of the land area in the south and one third in the north are still snowy. On average, snow covers 5 percent in the South and 10 in the north in mid-June.In Troms, 35 percent of the area is still white. That also is remarkable considering that in a normal year approximately 10-15 percent of land areas have snow cover at this time. This year there is more snow in June than in the record year of 2000, says Malnes.

http://www.nrk.no/troms/unike-satellittbilder-viser-ekstremt-mye-juni-sno-1.12416320
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Reality exposes “man made” global warming scam

JUNE 18, 2015

Within one hour, even strong swimmers can die from hypothermia in Lake Ontario’s cold waters, says the Hamilton (Ontario) Spectator. “In many cases, death could come far quicker.”The observations came in the wake of the disappearance of a man who fell overboard from a cruise boat south of the Humber River on Saturday.The man, Keith White, 34, was described by his family as “very healthy” and a certified lifeguard.Lake Ontario’s waters are an estimated 6C (42.8F), which is cold and dangerous, said Barb Byers of the Lifesaving Society in an interview.   

"This year and last year took much longer for the lake to warm up," Byers said.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/5681689-lake-ontario-within-one-hour-even-strong-swimmers-can-die-from-hypothermia/
legendary
Activity: 1176
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minds.com/Wilikon
Only 2% of the science community deny climate change. This 2% are the fools of the community and/or are sufficiently appease by big oil to continue their flakiness.
The present media, such as it is, give a bigger % of pages to the deniers than the 97% (or the can't-make-up-their-minds) 1%.


Your position would have had more value if you've included a link or article, not just a feeling and numbers from this website:

https://www.random.org


You are always welcome here...

 Smiley




But who could deny?

Who, I ask?

Who could DENY when the news about CLIMATE CHANGE is this?

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/06/16/claim-climate-change-more-women/

I so want to believe....

The faithful and pious are so devout in their following the Gorian Oracle...


I really do not want to create a new thread fusing this one here and third wave feminist deniers so they can promote the birth for more female babies...

Maybe I should... Nah.

 Cheesy


legendary
Activity: 1722
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The '97% of scientist' thing is utter crap and anyone who has a passing familiarity with various issues, definitions, disputes, etc, and who has familiarized themselves with the 'studies' from whence these figures came knows it.


and for those who haven't a passing familiarity with various issues, definitions, disputes, etc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTTaXqVEGkU

im not a huge fan of his but i like some of his stuff, this being one of the ones i liked.
A 33 minute Youtube video is enough to make me physically ill.

Sorry, no can do.

It's not very hard to debunk the 97% claim rapidly with online resources.  This doesn't even rise to the level of "lying with statistics."

Lol its not a commitment. I just start watching videos and turn them off as soon as I don't feel like watching any more. I watched about half of this one. All of the information that was delivered in that half was interesting.
legendary
Activity: 2926
Merit: 1386

The '97% of scientist' thing is utter crap and anyone who has a passing familiarity with various issues, definitions, disputes, etc, and who has familiarized themselves with the 'studies' from whence these figures came knows it.


and for those who haven't a passing familiarity with various issues, definitions, disputes, etc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTTaXqVEGkU

im not a huge fan of his but i like some of his stuff, this being one of the ones i liked.
A 33 minute Youtube video is enough to make me physically ill.

Sorry, no can do.

It's not very hard to debunk the 97% claim rapidly with online resources.  This doesn't even rise to the level of "lying with statistics."
legendary
Activity: 1722
Merit: 1217

The '97% of scientist' thing is utter crap and anyone who has a passing familiarity with various issues, definitions, disputes, etc, and who has familiarized themselves with the 'studies' from whence these figures came knows it.


and for those who haven't a passing familiarity with various issues, definitions, disputes, etc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTTaXqVEGkU

im not a huge fan of his but i like some of his stuff, this being one of the ones i liked.
legendary
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First Exclusion Ever
Only 2% of the science community deny climate change. This 2% are the fools of the community and/or are sufficiently appease by big oil to continue their flakiness.
The present media, such as it is, give a bigger % of pages to the deniers than the 97% (or the can't-make-up-their-minds) 1%.

Do you really believe big oil could only afford 2% of scientists if that was their goal? Your argument doesn't even make sense based on your own premise.
legendary
Activity: 2926
Merit: 1386
Only 2% of the science community deny climate change. This 2% are the fools of the community and/or are sufficiently appease by big oil to continue their flakiness.
The present media, such as it is, give a bigger % of pages to the deniers than the 97% (or the can't-make-up-their-minds) 1%.


Your position would have had more value if you've included a link or article, not just a feeling and numbers from this website:

https://www.random.org


You are always welcome here...

 Smiley




But who could deny?

Who, I ask?

Who could DENY when the news about CLIMATE CHANGE is this?

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/06/16/claim-climate-change-more-women/

I so want to believe....

The faithful and pious are so devout in their following the Gorian Oracle...
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1001
minds.com/Wilikon
Only 2% of the science community deny climate change. This 2% are the fools of the community and/or are sufficiently appease by big oil to continue their flakiness.
The present media, such as it is, give a bigger % of pages to the deniers than the 97% (or the can't-make-up-their-minds) 1%.


Your position would have had more value if you've included a link or article, not just a feeling and numbers from this website:

https://www.random.org


You are always welcome here...

 Smiley



legendary
Activity: 2926
Merit: 1386
Only 2% of the science community deny climate change. This 2% are the fools of the community and/or are sufficiently appease by big oil to continue their flakiness.
The present media, such as it is, give a bigger % of pages to the deniers than the 97% (or the can't-make-up-their-minds) 1%.

The '97% of scientist' thing is utter crap and anyone who has a passing familiarity with various issues, definitions, disputes, etc, and who has familiarized themselves with the 'studies' from whence these figures came knows it.

Now, a fair percentages of 'climate scientists' may be prone to extol something which could be sufficiently contorted to mean something vaguely close to what the politicians and media propagandists try to say it means, but that's very akin to saying that 97% of Christian preachers agree that Christ died for our sins.  Basically, if you don't believe that (or claim to) you are transitioning to a new profession.


All very true.  But pointing out the logical errors in the "Consensus" sound bite (or the "Con" sound bite, if you prefer) doesn't prevent the repetition of the lie.

Repeat it long enough, people will believe it.

Unfortunately, this is a perversion of science and the scientific method.  The implications of that are not good.
legendary
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Only 2% of the science community deny climate change. This 2% are the fools of the community and/or are sufficiently appease by big oil to continue their flakiness.
The present media, such as it is, give a bigger % of pages to the deniers than the 97% (or the can't-make-up-their-minds) 1%.

The '97% of scientist' thing is utter crap and anyone who has a passing familiarity with various issues, definitions, disputes, etc, and who has familiarized themselves with the 'studies' from whence these figures came knows it.

Now, a fair percentages of 'climate scientists' may be prone to extol something which could be sufficiently contorted to mean something vaguely close to what the politicians and media propagandists try to say it means, but that's very akin to saying that 97% of Christian preachers agree that Christ died for our sins.  Basically, if you don't believe that (or claim to) you are transitioning to a new profession.

hero member
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Only 2% of the science community deny climate change. This 2% are the fools of the community and/or are sufficiently appease by big oil to continue their flakiness.
The present media, such as it is, give a bigger % of pages to the deniers than the 97% (or the can't-make-up-their-minds) 1%.

This is just nonsense. Nobody denies that the climate changes. It does so all the time, always has done. It´s the notion that human activity has anything meaningful to do with it that those outside of the global warming cult have problems with.
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Only 2% of the science community deny climate change. This 2% are the fools of the community and/or are sufficiently appease by big oil to continue their flakiness.
The present media, such as it is, give a bigger % of pages to the deniers than the 97% (or the can't-make-up-their-minds) 1%.
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Fast forward to the 21st century. Political nutbags and religious fruitcakes are still feeding the excessively gullible masses. The more things change the more they stay the same they said back then and at least some say still now.
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50,000 witches executed because they caused climate change – Video

JUNE 17, 2015

In this video, Dr. Sallie Baliunas, Staff Astrophysicist at the Harvard Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics,  discusses the Little Ice Age and people’s superstitious reactions to extreme weather.Dr. Baliunas, formerly the Deputy Director of the Mount Wilson Observatory, describes the commonly held belief – the “consensus,” if you will – that humans were responsible for climate change.

Dr. Baliunas on Weather Cooking

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcAy4sOcS5M
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