Topic: Reddit’s science forum banned climate deniers. - page 197. (Read 636443 times)

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. . . To invent a language for climate change, we might start with the historical analogy of slavery, which flourished during the Tambora climate emergency two centuries ago. Like our future under climate change, slavery was a human-designed global tragedy that lasted centuries, displaced tens of millions of people, and reorganized the wealth and demographics of the planet. Like climate change, slavery institutionalized the suffering of millions of people from the global south so that folks in Europe and North America (and China) might lead more comfortable, fulfilling lives. And like climate change, few people at the time saw slavery as a serious problem. Even those who did believed nothing could be done without bringing about global economic ruin. That exact argument is used today to defend the continuation of our fossil-fuelled societies.

Some historians have argued that it was the harnessing of carbon energy—not the abolitionists—that truly made an end to slavery possible in the 19th century. But in a dark historical irony, that same carbon energy, as a pollutant altering the chemistry of the atmosphere and oceans, is now ushering in a new era of global slavery. Millions this century, living and yet unborn, face displaced lives without hope or freedom of choice, only desperate hardship, due to haywire changes in weather patterns.

Does that make climate change the new slavery? One thing we can say with “high confidence,” to use the lingo of the IPCC, is that even now—as the U.N. panel marks its quarter-century anniversary with its fifth and most dire report—there is no international climate change movement comparable to abolitionism. For one thing, we don’t even have a name for the millions of people across the world who are passionately committed to the cause of averting climate disaster. Even Bill McKibben, probably the most effective climate activist in the United States, when branding his organization, could do no better than a number—350, the parts per million of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere we need to return to for climate safety.

Given that climate activism is faring so badly in the public-relations stakes, perhaps it’s time to brush off the old slogan that worked so famously well for the abolitionists, the rallying cry of the greatest humanitarian victory of all time: “Am I not a Man and a Brother?” And instead of an African in chains above the caption, let’s show a crowd of faces from Africa, Asia, the Pacific, the Caribbean, the Middle East, and the Arctic north—the faces you won’t find in the IPCC’s report, but who are stubbornly real nevertheless, living precariously in their millions on the shifting global frontlines of climate change.

http://grist.org/climate-energy/is-climate-change-the-new-slavery/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=tweet&utm_campaign=socialflow

One more from Richard Dawkins

http://www.richarddawkins.net/news_articles/2014/4/15/odds-that-global-warming-is-due-to-natural-factors-slim-to-none#

It would depend if the flowers around your neck were on a endangered list or not...

So he hasn't heard it's now "climate change" not "global warming"?

Guy always was a bit slow.

Question:  IF you are babbling today about global warming, are you a Denial of "climate change"?

Al Gore Calls Global Warming Skeptics “Immoral, Unethical And Despicable”…






The man who was almost president graced Honolulu with his presence Tuesday and walked us through a “seminar of sustainability.”

By turns a university professor, a wry observer, a recovering politician, a joke teller and a Southern preacher, Al Gore fired up an audience of thousands at the Stan Sheriff Center to believe that global warming can be stopped. But it’s possible only if each of us does our part.

“Ultimately, we are going to win this thing,” he said, one of many statements met with hearty applause.

He also managed to repeatedly gush over fellow Democrats Neil Abercrombie and Brian Schatz, who he singled out multiple times as leading the fight here at home and in Washington to tackle the environmental crisis head on. [...]

But Gore cited two “game changers” in recent years that will help. The first is the growing realization from even climate-change deniers that something seems to be strange with the weather. The second is the exponential growth in photovoltaic solar panels, driven largely by consumer demand for lower prices.

The “barriers” to doing something about climate change are business and political interests that profit off of fossil fuels — “dirty energy that causes dirty weather.” He compared fake science from polluters stating that humans are not to blame for the climate to tobacco companies that used to hire actors to play doctors who denied cigarettes were dangerous.

“That’s immoral, unethical and despicable,” he said of both.

http://www.civilbeat.com/articles/2014/04/15/21808-al-gore-on-climate-change-we-are-going-to-win-this-thing/

Those videos should be taught to school children in class.

No one is denying "climate". Some wants to understand why "the science is settled" and why to go against that belief system would be bad for your health

by the way... who would deny that there is "climate"??  lol

Those videos should always be alive on the web.

Well, the esteemed scientists of the IPCC are now certifiably stupid.  (We already knew they were crazy.)

If someone ACTUALLY wanted to remove CO2 from the air you'd build a facility at the South Pole, where the air temps are such that chilling air another 20-30 degrees causes the Co2 to drop out as solid.  But they don't.  They want an excuse to tax people in the respective countries and move money to feel good projects ran by their friends.

About time for this again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMqc7PCJ-nc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwTuEqqh0-g

Vacuuming carbon from the atmosphere may be most realistic solution to climate change



In order to stave off the worst of global warming’s consequences, the world’s nations must find a way to reduce carbon emissions by 40 to 70 percent by 2050. That’s one of many claims made in the latest report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

The new report also suggests vacuuming up vast amounts of CO2 from the skies and storing it underground may be the most viable solution for mitigating the greenhouse gas effect in the short term.

It’s the third report on climate change released by the IPCC, a group of international climate scientists organized under the auspices of the United Nations. The group’s second report, which was released last month, predicted serious environmental and economic catastrophe in the latter half of the 20th century, should calls to slow global warming continue to go unanswered.

This latest report, released on Sunday, weighs the efficacy and plausibility of a variety of climate change policy solutions and mitigation options.


http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2014/04/14/Vacuuming-carbon-from-the-atmosphere-may-be-most-realistic-solution-to-climate-change/8391397515722/?spt=su

Oh noes! Moths affected by ‘hidden’ factors of climate change




http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/04/15/climate-craziness-of-the-week-oh-noes-moths-affected-by-hidden-factors-of-climate-change/

Only using carbon neutral green garbage in those solar powered trucks of course...

Look, some people just can't help it - they were born with an innate, instinctual need to control other people.  That doesn't mean they are smarter, or more capable at all.  It's just a NEED they have. 

Maybe they could all be forced to work on garbage trucks?  Then they could control garbage...

We need to make sure there is a distinction with people with an agenda for all of us but not for themselves and nature lovers.

Tackling global ecological issues sounds great. Lets start by fixing China and India first. I think America and almost every modern country would be 50th on the list of fixes.

The reason we should prioritize like this is that by fixing the most developed countries first, you create unfair economics between countries like the USA and India. We impose insane restrictions on US corporations who then simply use resources from countries that have zero oversight and accountability.

The policies of environmentalists are short sighted, stupid, and self serving at worst as the only reason the USA and other major economic countries are at the front of the line for them is because it is those countries budgets that pay their dumb salaries.

We need to rebel against environmentalists in a big way.

Obama Told U.N. To Downplay Costs of Eco-Demands In Climate Change Report…





http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/04/14/How-the-Obama-administration-turned-the-latest-IPCC-report-into-meaningless-gobbledegook

UN Climate Change Panel Calls For Cutting Economic Growth To Save World From Global Warming…





http://www.politico.com/story/2014/04/un-panel-climate-change-105658.html

Could We SUCK UP Climate Change? Excess Carbon Dioxide Could Be Absorbed By Crops And Stored In Disused Mines

Sucking carbon dioxide out of the air might be used as a last-ditch attempt to stop global warming, UN scientists say.

The technology is proposed as a ‘Plan B’ if Governments fail to cut carbon dioxide emissions by up to 70 per cent before 2050.

Reducing greenhouse gases to manageable levels will cost up to four per cent of global GDP by 2030, according to a draft version of a report to be published in Berlin on Sunday by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

hat would involve Britain and other nations increasing spending ten-fold on wind farms and other green projects over the next 15 years.

But if carbon emissions ‘overshoot’ the targets, more extreme solutions are needed which will send the costs spiralling even higher, the IPCC says.

A leaked copy of the report, seen by the Daily Mail, suggests Governments might have to start looking at ‘negative emissions’ technology which effectively suck CO2 out of the air and store it underground.

The leaked draft concludes that ‘essentially any’ emissions target can be achieved ‘regardless of the near‐term path’ of overshoot ‘by shifting emissions reductions to the future’.

But it says doing so ‘involves more rapid and deeper emissions reductions in the long run’.

The technology would work by using an experimental system called BECCS – Bio-energy with Carbon Capture and Storage.

It would involve growing crops that absorb CO2 from the atmosphere then burning them in a power station to generate energy.

The resulting emissions would then be captured at the plant and then stored underground. The net effect of that process would result in CO2 being removed from the air.

Britain would be an ideal place to try the technology, because there are thousands of old coal mines and gas wells which could be used as storage facilities for carbon dioxide.

The system has been tested at small scale in the USA and Canada – but the IPCC admits it would have to happen on a huge scale to be effective.

Joris Koornneef, an expert at sustainable energy consultancy Ecofys, estimates an area the size of India would be needed to produce enough biomass crops for BECCS to suck 10 billion tonnes of carbon dioxide from the air – a third of the emissions reduction needed by 2050.

There are also concerns about how safe the technology is and whether it is even possible to store carbon dioxide underground long-term without it leaking.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2602474/Could-SUCK-UP-climate-change-Excess-carbon-dioxide-absorbed-specially-developed-crops.html

While it is good that the European and American nations are doing a lot to counter the global warming, I find it irritating that the main perpetrator (China) is still allowed to emit as much greenhouse gases as it want. People living in nations such as the US and Australia are being further burdened in the form of Carbon taxes and other stuff, while China has yet to take any step to reduce its emissions.