Author

Topic: Reddit’s science forum banned climate deniers. - page 202. (Read 636458 times)

legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1001
minds.com/Wilikon





UK professor refuses to put his name to 'apocalyptic' UN climate change survey that he claims is exaggerating the effects

Prof Richard Tol said UN academics were exaggerating climate change
Comes as a blow to the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
Panel to publish its first update in seven years on the impacts of climate change




A climate scientist has accused the United Nations of being too alarmist over global warming – and demanded his name be removed from a crucial new report.

Professor Richard Tol, an economist at the University of Sussex, said fellow UN academics were exaggerating climate change and comparing it to the ‘apocalypse’.

His comments are a blow to the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which on Monday will publish its first update in seven years on the impacts of climate change.

Previous IPCC reports on climate impact have been plagued by errors that damaged the body’s credibility.

Most famously, it said in 2007 that glaciers in the Himalayas could disappear by 2035, a claim it has since withdrawn.

Scientists are meeting in Japan this week to agree the wording of the final document, which will be used to inform policy decisions of governments around the world.

Leaked drafts of the report predict that by the end of the century man-made global warming will have done serious harm to the global economy, displaced hundreds of millions of people and created violent conflict. Chapters on flooding, water supply and agriculture estimate huge impacts.

Prof Tol, the lead co-ordinating author of the report’s chapter on economics, was involved in drafting the summary for policymakers – the key document that goes to governments and scientists. But he has now asked for his name to be removed from the document.

He said: ‘The message in the first draft was that through adaptation and clever development these were manageable risks, but it did require we get our act together.

‘This has completely disappeared from the draft now, which is all about the impacts of climate change and the four horsemen of the apocalypse. This is a missed opportunity.’


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2589424/UK-professor-refuses-apocalyptic-UN-climate-change-survey.html


hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 521
this statement is false
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 521
It'd definitely be good if we insured there were no new species come in and take over and flourish while old species died.

Wait....none of us would be around then...

I'm awaiting a CO2 tax effectively banning breathing and a consumer protection law banning death.

Heck let's just ban everything. Let's ban banning. Let's ban banning banning. And ban banning banning banning banning banning. Do you see now my theory of everything w.r.t. unbounded recursion.

legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1001
minds.com/Wilikon
legendary
Activity: 2926
Merit: 1386
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1001
minds.com/Wilikon




IPCC runs from claims that global warming will cause mass extinctions

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/24/ipcc-runs-from-claims-that-global-warming-will-cause-mass-extinctions/#ixzz2x5B1Rngy

The United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change is distancing itself from past claims that global warming could cause mass extinctions.

A leaked IPCC draft report says that there is “very little confidence that the models currently predict accurately the risk of extinction.”

The leaked report, obtained by Germany’s Der Spiegel newspaper, says that an “acute lack of data” have added to doubts over past claims made by climate scientists of mass extinctions in the future. biological findings have increased doubt over the expected species extinction,” says the IPCC.

In its 2007 climate assessment, the IPCC said that there was a “medium confidence” that 20 to 30 percent of plant and animal species were at risk of going extinct if global temperatures rose between 1.5 and 2.5 degrees Celsius this century. If temperatures rose by 3.5 degrees Celsius the IPCC predicted “significant extinctions” would occur — between 40 and 70 percent of species.

Environmental groups have also warned of mass extinctions due to global warming. The Nature Conservancy says that “one-fourth of Earth’s species will be headed for extinction by 2050 if the warming trend continues at its current rate.” The group adds that “polar bears may be gone from the planet in as little as 100 years and that several “U.S. states may even lose their official birds as they head for cooler climates — including the Baltimore oriole of Maryland, black-capped chickadee of Massachusetts, and the American goldfinch of Iowa.”

http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/24/ipcc-runs-from-claims-that-global-warming-will-cause-mass-extinctions/
legendary
Activity: 2926
Merit: 1386



The death toll from this weekend’s mudslide through Oso, Wash., is still climbing, with more than 100 still listed as missing. [...]

One of the most well-forecast and consequential components of human-caused climate change is the tendency for rainstorms to become more intense......

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

You should never wait for the dead to be too cold to advance your agenda.


So....more rain is good, right? 

We get better marihuana crops and they get mudslides.

 
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1001
minds.com/Wilikon


UN scientists are set to deliver their darkest report yet on the impacts of climate change, pointing to a future stalked by floods, drought, conflict and economic damage if carbon emissions go untamed.

A draft of their report, seen by the news organisation AFP, is part of a massive overview by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, likely to shape policies and climate talks for years to come.

Scientists and government representatives will meet in Yokohama, Japan, from tomorrow to hammer out a 29-page summary. It will be unveiled with the full report on March 31.

“We have a lot clearer picture of impacts and their consequences … including the implications for security,” said Chris Field of the US’s Carnegie Institution, who headed the probe.

The work comes six months after the first volume in the long-awaited Fifth Assessment Report declared scientists were more certain than ever that humans caused global warming.

It predicted global temperatures would rise 0.3C-4.8C this century, adding to roughly 0.7C since the Industrial Revolution. Seas will creep up by 26cm-82cm by 2100. The draft warns costs will spiral with each additional degree, although it is hard to forecast by how much.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/ipcc-to-deliver-darkest-draft-yet/story-e6frg6so-1226862631968
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1001
minds.com/Wilikon



The death toll from this weekend’s mudslide through Oso, Wash., is still climbing, with more than 100 still listed as missing. [...]

One of the most well-forecast and consequential components of human-caused climate change is the tendency for rainstorms to become more intense as the planet warms. As the effect becomes more pronounced, that will make follow-on events like flooding and landslides more common.

But we don’t have to wait for the future. This is already happening. Here’s an explainer, from the Union of Concerned Scientists:

As average global temperatures rise, the warmer atmosphere can also hold more moisture, about 4 percent more per degree Fahrenheit temperature increase. Thus, when storms occur there is more water vapor available in the atmosphere to fall as rain, snow or hail. Worldwide, water vapor over oceans has increased by about 4 percent since 1970 according to the 2007 U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report, its most recent.

It only takes a small change in the amount of water vapor in the atmosphere to have a major effect. That’s because storms can draw upon water vapor from regions 10 to 25 times larger than the specific area where the rain or snow actually falls.

According to the U.S. Global Change Research Program’s (USGCRP) most recent report, scientists have observed less rain falling in light precipitation events and more rain falling in the heaviest precipitation events across the United States. From 1958 to 2007, the amount of rainfall in the heaviest 1 percent of storms increased 31 percent, on average, in the Midwest and 20 percent in the Southeast.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

You should never wait for the dead to be too cold to advance your agenda.

legendary
Activity: 2926
Merit: 1386
....and their predictions on temperature rise failed.


Not that a "global temperature" can even be logically conceptualized or calculated, given those pesky little laws of physics...
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 521
http://blog.mpettis.com/2014/03/will-emerging-markets-come-back/#comment-22886

Quote from: AnonyMint
Give me a falsifiable statement (that can be tested scientific method) to support your statement that AGW is real? You can't, it is impossible, thus this is religion and not science. It is very similar to macro economics, which is very difficult to falsify. At least with macro economics we have the entire history of mankind to use as repeating patterns to support our arguments. AGW proponents ignore all the history of normal climate change and argue with non-falsifiable models (of which there are other choices for models which refute theirs) that every thing is suddenly different. And they've been caught fabricating data, and their predictions on temperature rise failed.
legendary
Activity: 2926
Merit: 1386


I think climate change was only a theory when it was first presented via the media, back in the late 1970's or early 1980's(i think it was around that time).


There are still people who do not think that man ever went into outer space.

There are people who do not believe that man went to the moon, and they think that was all a hollywood con job.

There are people who still think the world is flat and not round.
Some how I consider all those in a different category than people that want to kill off or sit idly by while >90% of the world's population dies off.

But but but they do it for the good of the planet. 93.87% of the world population is overrated according to their calculation anyway...

You lost the argument about science and probabilities, so predictably you shift to fear mongering.

I wish the $150 trillion global debt bubble would hurry up and pop, so you useless individuals will lose your funny money and be relegated to arguing with yourself in the mirror.

I don't have time to re-read this entire thread, but if anyone can pinpoint which post I finally realized that Wilikon and Spendulus were employing satire and actually 'deniers' like me, I'd find that amusing.

Apologies to those two guys.  Embarrassed
hehehehe...

It gets even funnier, though, when you consider that in achieving the lofty goal of "banning deniers", reddit also banned all such satire in both directions....what idiots...i think the word is maroons....
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 521
http://blog.mpettis.com/2014/03/will-emerging-markets-come-back/#comment-22609

Add the environmental degradation due to overuse of debt leading to lower productivity is another symptom of the marginal-utility-of-debt going negative globally, which apparently occurred just recently or on tap for 2015 which is why the global economic implosion has begun with (initially retail to be followed by institutional) capital has started fleeing emerging markets (note there is a mini-deadcat bounce at the moment) rushing back into the safe haven currencies (of which they think Euro is still one, but this will be squashed when the IMF suggestion for 10% confiscation of EU deposits kicks in). In short, the global flash crash Minsky moment approaches 2016ish.

P.S. on the overtaxing issue, remember most of the West taxes above the Laffer limit. Westerners will not be able to adjust their pre-programmed mindset away from their belief in top-down planning and big government, e.g. how you are programmed to believe in the lie of resource constraints (which violates the Second Law of Thermodynamics). It is never about resource constraints, all limitations are due to lack of fitness. Energy is never created nor destroyed, remember your Physics. Constraints are impedance mismatches. Thus Asia will rule the global economy going forward because they have less government interference with entrepreneurialism.
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1001
minds.com/Wilikon
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 521
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1001
minds.com/Wilikon


Promo Video: Hip Hop Caucus Act On Climate Campus Tour 2014


http://youtu.be/6xTHREO-JGM


"Published on Mar 20, 2014

Join us in six states on six college and university campuses!

Check out more tour info at www.hiphopcaucus.org/climate"
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 521


I think climate change was only a theory when it was first presented via the media, back in the late 1970's or early 1980's(i think it was around that time).


There are still people who do not think that man ever went into outer space.

There are people who do not believe that man went to the moon, and they think that was all a hollywood con job.

There are people who still think the world is flat and not round.
Some how I consider all those in a different category than people that want to kill off or sit idly by while >90% of the world's population dies off.

But but but they do it for the good of the planet. 93.87% of the world population is overrated according to their calculation anyway...

You lost the argument about science and probabilities, so predictably you shift to fear mongering.

I wish the $150 trillion global debt bubble would hurry up and pop, so you useless individuals will lose your funny money and be relegated to arguing with yourself in the mirror.

I don't have time to re-read this entire thread, but if anyone can pinpoint which post I finally realized that Wilikon and Spendulus were employing satire and actually 'deniers' like me, I'd find that amusing.

Apologies to those two guys.  Embarrassed
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 521
http://blog.mpettis.com/2014/03/will-emerging-markets-come-back/#comment-22375

Quote from: AnonyMint
Suvy you are too intelligent to have a closed-mind. Please educate yourself on the scientific facts before speaking further on this issue. I live in the third world and the environment is native, which I prefer. You may arrogantly worry your bicycle paths and manicured suburbia, but that gives you no right to tax the world into slavery because of illogical Malthusian fear which has never been correct not even once in the entire recorded history of modern man since Mesopotamia because it violates the Second Law of Thermodynamics. Man can muck up small patches of the earth's surface for a brief moment, but he can't destroy the earth's self-correcting ecosystem. The Carbon Cycle is the life cycle of earth. All this propaganda (they are indoctrinating you with in school and the media) is about instituting a top-down control system for earth. It is indicative of the peaking collectivism (and thus debt) monstrosity.

Please all check your emotions and first read the links and consider it rationally.
legendary
Activity: 2926
Merit: 1386
That's little close minded of them, everyone should be allowed to debate in an open world and scientists should be an example

hmm. Actually no. For  this Reddit /science people, the deniers are the ones with a closed mind. Since this is a fact then there is no need to let them speak any longer as there is not hope forcing them to come into their "open world"...
Of course, what I have been driving at is the issue that they, those who eagerly seek the power of banning, cannot even formulate what the hypotheses are that the "deniers" are denying the facts of, and cannot seem to even point to specific statements by the "deniers" that support the "denial" of the supposed facts.

I think that's pretty important.  More so than the science issues. 
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 521
Jump to: