Topic: Reddit’s science forum banned climate deniers. - page 63. (Read 636446 times)

The fact that average temperature around the glob is rising doesn't mean it can't get colder in some places.

Rather the opposite in fact. climate being something incredibly sensitive it's logical any kind of change can have huge and various impact all around the world.

The fact that your family member was replaced by an automatic machine has nothing to do with this. Yell at capitalism.

I dont follow anybody.  I live on the northern edge of the prairie in Canada where we are sensitive to temperature.  I was raised on a farm and we grew crops for a living.  Its not getting warmer here.  Besides this winter, which to me has be close to the winters i grew up in, if anything its getting much much colder.  I work outside, I alway have and probably always will.  We plant around Mothers day and it usually snows here after Halloween except now snow usually comes before halloween.  The growing season is getting shorter up here if anything.  I dont need some asshole at nasa to tell me its getting warmer when its not getting warmer up here.  I dont trust ground temperature records for the last 10-15 years for one reason.  It used to be average people recording temperatures up here.  Now everything is automated and 9 times out of 10 temperatures are recorded by unmanned equipment at airports.  I had a family member that used to do it and she got replaced by automated equipment that no one watches.  When somebodys life depends on the weather your going to tell me something else then my own eyes are telling me?

Spendulus and Wilikon gave this article out saying it proves the "pause they're all claiming". here is the article:

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/02/mann-splaining-the-pause.php

Of course ti's not a scientific article or study just a blog. But no problem the article says there is a pause so it's interesting. It's using a very biased vocabulary but hey, who has no opinion? It's not a crime to be happy when your side wins!

Let's check the sources then. Not very diversified sourcing but well. Mainly Nature articles so let's check them.

First source:
http://www.nature.com/news/global-warming-hiatus-debate-flares-up-again-1.19414?WT.ec_id=NEWS-20160225&spMailingID=50779167&spUserID=MTc2NjY4OTI4MwS2&spJobID=863136582&spReportId=ODYzMTM2NTgyS0

Do they talk about a pause in temperature?
"The debate revolves in part around statistics on temperature trends. The study1 that questioned the existence of the slowdown corrected known biases in the surface temperature record maintained by the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), such as differences in temperature readings from ships and buoys. This effectively increased the warming recorded, and the researchers also extended the record to include 2014, which set a new record high for average temperatures.

That work, led by Thomas Karl, director of NOAA’s National Centers for Environmental Information in Asheville, North Carolina, calculated the rate of global warming between 1950 and 1999 as being 0.113 °C per decade, similar to the 0.116 °C a decade calculated for 2000–14. This, Karl said, meant that an assessment done by the influential Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in 20133  showing that warming had slowed was no longer valid.

Fyfe and his colleagues argue2 that Karl’s approach was biased by a period of relatively flat temperatures that extended from the 1950s into the early 1970s. Greenhouse-gas emissions were lower then, and emissions of industrial pollutants such as sulphate aerosols were cooling the planet by reflecting sunlight back into space. Fyfe says that his calculations show that the planet warmed at 0.170 °C per decade from 1972 to 2001, which is significantly higher than the warming of 0.113 °C per decade he calculates for 2000–14."

Ok so they never talk about a pause here... They talk about a slow down...

Let's check the second source:
http://www.nature.com/news/climate-change-hiatus-disappears-with-new-data-1.17700

"All told, Karl's team finds that global temperatures increased at a rate of 0.116°C a decade in 2000–14, compared to a rate of 0.113°C in 1950–99. And Karl says that rate will probably go up once his team calculates the temperature increase for the entirety of the rapidly warming Arctic. Researchers found in 2013 that gaps in Arctic observations artificially cooled the Met Office temperature record2.

The latest study only resolved part of the question. Climate models used by the IPCC still project warming to continue, but scientists have documented various factors for which the models have not accounted, resulting in suppressed temperatures. These contributors include weak solar irradiation, volcanic aerosols that block sunlight and ocean circulation3.

“Once you take into account the slight forcing errors, the actual occurrence of El Niños, et cetera, there is very little left to explain,” says Gavin Schmidt, director of NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York City."

Damn no pause here either!


Could it be possible that they talk only about a slow down because it's all there is?

When even mainstream scientists discuss "the pause," "the hiatus," the fact that there has been no warming in 19 years, and posters to this forum deny that very fact, and refuse to look at the raw satellite data behind it, whatever you want to call it, it's a problem.

If it's a strong opinion, it's such by denying the facts.

Hence, I cannot do other than to conclude Warmers are Deniers.

Try to explain this to the believers of the Global warming Faith.

It's not anti-science. It's alternative science offering other hypothesise for the same observations.

No they shouldn't be banned, reddit should setup a tinfoil section for the anti-science brigade.

So banning should re enforced for the non believers then. Get it. Should we ban all of those who not only do not believe in bitcoin or all of those creating altcoins on bitcointalk?