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Black people will always find some reason so complain, even though it's been hundreds of years since there were black slaves.
How about the holocaust survivers?

Hmmm... It was not even 100 years ago that they were used as meat on the battlefields...

Still, it's interesting as how the ones complaining usually are the ones that didn't suffer because of the things they're complaining about.

IT IS A BUSINESS.

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And thus, I think the matter is clearly completed and closed.

back to the topic: AGW is also a BUSINESS.
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Black people will always find some reason so complain, even though it's been hundreds of years since there were black slaves.
How about the holocaust survivers?

Hmmm... It was not even 100 years ago that they were used as meat on the battlefields...

Still, it's interesting as how the ones complaining usually are the ones that didn't suffer because of the things they're complaining about.

IT IS A BUSINESS.

+1
And thus, I think the matter is clearly completed and closed.
legendary
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Black people will always find some reason so complain, even though it's been hundreds of years since there were black slaves.
How about the holocaust survivers?

Hmmm... It was not even 100 years ago that they were used as meat on the battlefields...

Still, it's interesting as how the ones complaining usually are the ones that didn't suffer because of the things they're complaining about.

IT IS A BUSINESS.
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Black people will always find some reason so complain, even though it's been hundreds of years since there were black slaves.
How about the holocaust survivers?

Hmmm... It was not even 100 years ago that they were used as meat on the battlefields...

Still, it's interesting as how the ones complaining usually are the ones that didn't suffer because of the things they're complaining about.
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Black people will always find some reason so complain, even though it's been hundreds of years since there were black slaves.
How about the holocaust survivers?

Hmmm... It was not even 100 years ago that they were used as meat on the battlefields...
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Black people will always find some reason so complain, even though it's been hundreds of years since there were black slaves.
How about the holocaust survivers?
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Black Lives Matter Co-Founder: Climate Change Is Racist, Form Of “Global Anti-Blackness”…

Come on, are these people totally losing it? Sometimes it almost sounds like some crazy cult.


It is.

It's like you may have not heard of it but there are some Miss election only for blacks. To chose the Miss black France for example. And when you ask them "it's not racist at all, it's normal!" xD

Losers & Whiners.

Not sure I understood what you meant buddy... Might get an explanation?

This subsidized communitarianism is fueled with whiners & losers spending their life bitching about how the world is unfair, creating even more tensions between people.
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Black Lives Matter Co-Founder: Climate Change Is Racist, Form Of “Global Anti-Blackness”…

Come on, are these people totally losing it? Sometimes it almost sounds like some crazy cult.


It is.

It's like you may have not heard of it but there are some Miss election only for blacks. To chose the Miss black France for example. And when you ask them "it's not racist at all, it's normal!" xD

Losers & Whiners.

Not sure I understood what you meant buddy... Might get an explanation?
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Black Lives Matter Co-Founder: Climate Change Is Racist, Form Of “Global Anti-Blackness”…

Come on, are these people totally losing it? Sometimes it almost sounds like some crazy cult.


It is.

It's like you may have not heard of it but there are some Miss election only for blacks. To chose the Miss black France for example. And when you ask them "it's not racist at all, it's normal!" xD

Losers & Whiners.
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Black Lives Matter Co-Founder: Climate Change Is Racist, Form Of “Global Anti-Blackness”…

Come on, are these people totally losing it? Sometimes it almost sounds like some crazy cult.


It is.

It's like you may have not heard of it but there are some Miss election only for blacks. To chose the Miss black France for example. And when you ask them "it's not racist at all, it's normal!" xD
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Black Lives Matter Co-Founder: Climate Change Is Racist, Form Of “Global Anti-Blackness”…

Come on, are these people totally losing it? Sometimes it almost sounds like some crazy cult.
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Black Lives Matter Co-Founder: Climate Change Is Racist, Form Of “Global Anti-Blackness”…







The co-founders of the Black Lives Matter movement spoke at Cornell’s annual Martin Luther King Jr. Commemorative Lecture a week and a half ago, and part of their thesis was that the free market and global warm– er, climate change are, yep, racist.

Opal Tometti and Alicia Garza discussed the usual complaints that BLM-affiliated organizations have been protesting against on campuses — institutional and structural racism and white privilege — before invoking the trade and climate angle.

As The Cornell Review reports,

“[a]fter commenting on the European migrant crisis, [Tometti] turned to the issue of free trade, calling trade deals between European and African countries forms of “anti-black racism” and “neo-colonialism” because according to her they have worsened African economies. In consequence, she stated that global capitalism is unsustainable. Climate change, also, is a form of “global anti-blackness” according to Tometti because six out of the 10 countries that ranked highest on the “climate change vulnerability index” are in Africa, according to a study she referenced.”

Garza noted that “she wishes to retire” the phrase “black-on-black crime,” preferring to focus on “the violence of the state” as “not all violence is created equal.”


http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/26240/




Dude the black lives matter movement is already a bit dumb in itself so no wonder their arguments are too ^^
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Black Lives Matter Co-Founder: Climate Change Is Racist, Form Of “Global Anti-Blackness”…







The co-founders of the Black Lives Matter movement spoke at Cornell’s annual Martin Luther King Jr. Commemorative Lecture a week and a half ago, and part of their thesis was that the free market and global warm– er, climate change are, yep, racist.

Opal Tometti and Alicia Garza discussed the usual complaints that BLM-affiliated organizations have been protesting against on campuses — institutional and structural racism and white privilege — before invoking the trade and climate angle.

As The Cornell Review reports,

“[a]fter commenting on the European migrant crisis, [Tometti] turned to the issue of free trade, calling trade deals between European and African countries forms of “anti-black racism” and “neo-colonialism” because according to her they have worsened African economies. In consequence, she stated that global capitalism is unsustainable. Climate change, also, is a form of “global anti-blackness” according to Tometti because six out of the 10 countries that ranked highest on the “climate change vulnerability index” are in Africa, according to a study she referenced.”

Garza noted that “she wishes to retire” the phrase “black-on-black crime,” preferring to focus on “the violence of the state” as “not all violence is created equal.”


http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/26240/


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An Arctic blast poised to plunge into the Northeast on Valentine’s Day weekend will bring subzero cold to parts of the Midwest and flirt with some daily records, says weather.com. A nosediving polar jet stream will send cold into the eastern half of the country beginning on Friday, with temperatures plunging to 10-20 degrees below normal.

Temperatures will drop below zero Fahrenheit on one or more nights from the central Appalachians to much of New England. On Friday, highs will struggle to get much above zero in the typically coldest spots of North Dakota, Minnesota, Wisconsin and the U.P. of Michigan.Subzero lows are expected as far south as parts of the southern and eastern Great Lakes on Saturday, as well as parts of the Corn Belt. Lows in the teens and 20s below zero can be expected in the Upper Mississippi Valley.On Saturday, some parts of Upstate New York may struggle to rise above zero, with some daily record-cold highs set in the Great Lakes and Appalachians.

Temperatures at Boston’s Logan Airport could dip below 0 degrees on Sunday morning, where  subzero cold is quite rare. Pittsburgh could also slide below zero Sunday morning, something that happened nine times last winter, but on average happens only twice each year. Lows in the single digits are in store from parts of Virginia, New York City, Philadelphia, Baltimore and Washington, D.C., metro areas. Temperatures will dip into the teens as far south as parts of the Carolinas and northern Georgia. At this time, it appears freezing temperatures will avoid the fruit and vegetable growing areas of central Florida during the weekend.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/temperatures-to-plunge-to-single-digits-from-boston-to-nyc-dc-valentines-day-weekend/ar-BBpj3CU?li=BBnb7Kz

https://weather.com/storms/winter/news/cold-outbreak-valentines-northeast-midwest-south-feb2016
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I personally think looking at the upper stratosphere temperature is more logical, since radiative balance as the net sum of in flows and outflows occurs...at the upper stratosphere.  So if you would like to argue for the use of another temperature measure, then you will have some trouble substantiating "the more CO2 we have the more energy is being absorbed."
I'm not sure if I understand you.
You think CO2 is not absorbing infrared radiation?

Good question.  Sorry I was not clear.

CO2 absorbs certain specific spectra due to it's dipole movements and vibrations, etc.

That is one of a great many things that absorb, emit and so forth.  The net of all of these is outgoing radiation from the planet.  The essential question of "global warming" is whether net outgoing is decreasing relative to net incoming energy, by how much, and whether man is affecting that balance.

Satellite temperature measurements of the upper atmosphere obviously closely measure these issues.  Ground based temperatures measure such things loosely, if at all...

This is why I mentioned that if one wishes to consider/argue the effect of man on "global warming," he MUST use satellite measurements.  It then happens that satellite measurements show no warming in 20 years (maybe it's still 19, I don't recall).  This indicates that net radiative planetary energy balance is unchanged for 19-20 years.  And what does THAT imply?

For one thing it defeats the "central CO2 hypothesis," which teaches that the climate has a high sensitivity to CO2.  Increase CO2, and temperatures increase.  

It's wrong to look for simple explanations, though.

But here is something I don't understand. The graphs show an increase. I mean they DO!
Unless we don't have the same definition of increase of course but... Well as an engineer with a good formation in statistics I feel like I do ^^
Alrighty.  Then you yourself can step through applying the formulas to the raw satellite data and proving for yourself that there is no significant trend.

But do me one favor - after you've proved that, get mad.  Get mad at people that fed you propaganda and lies.  Not me - I'm just a guy that pointed out that bit of math. I can't change it, it is what it is.

And it isn't this - this is a con game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8E42mIvjzRw

Well OK gonna do that this weekend in my spare time.

But considering the data I've found, if what you say is true, well first I'd be really surprised, and then I'd like to know what statistical treatment they went through to give such results.

Any idea of where you can find this raw data?

http://wp.me/P7y4l-9yA

I'd ignore the chart on "ocean heat content."  Nobody had a clue as to ocean heat content until this decade.  Rest of charts look okay.

Here is a simple reference on the UAH satellite data.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UAH_satellite_temperature_dataset

From this discussion you have the methods of interpreting the satellite data.

http://www.remss.com/measurements/upper-air-temperature

From this you can click on a graph and go to the time series measurement tool

http://images.remss.com/msu/msu_time_series.html

Any of those have a "download data" button.

Well thanks. I'll try to go through all that and we'll see what it'll give. See you when I'm done with this, I'll try to do that this week end.
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I personally think looking at the upper stratosphere temperature is more logical, since radiative balance as the net sum of in flows and outflows occurs...at the upper stratosphere.  So if you would like to argue for the use of another temperature measure, then you will have some trouble substantiating "the more CO2 we have the more energy is being absorbed."
I'm not sure if I understand you.
You think CO2 is not absorbing infrared radiation?

Good question.  Sorry I was not clear.

CO2 absorbs certain specific spectra due to it's dipole movements and vibrations, etc.

That is one of a great many things that absorb, emit and so forth.  The net of all of these is outgoing radiation from the planet.  The essential question of "global warming" is whether net outgoing is decreasing relative to net incoming energy, by how much, and whether man is affecting that balance.

Satellite temperature measurements of the upper atmosphere obviously closely measure these issues.  Ground based temperatures measure such things loosely, if at all...

This is why I mentioned that if one wishes to consider/argue the effect of man on "global warming," he MUST use satellite measurements.  It then happens that satellite measurements show no warming in 20 years (maybe it's still 19, I don't recall).  This indicates that net radiative planetary energy balance is unchanged for 19-20 years.  And what does THAT imply?

For one thing it defeats the "central CO2 hypothesis," which teaches that the climate has a high sensitivity to CO2.  Increase CO2, and temperatures increase.  

It's wrong to look for simple explanations, though.

But here is something I don't understand. The graphs show an increase. I mean they DO!
Unless we don't have the same definition of increase of course but... Well as an engineer with a good formation in statistics I feel like I do ^^
Alrighty.  Then you yourself can step through applying the formulas to the raw satellite data and proving for yourself that there is no significant trend.

But do me one favor - after you've proved that, get mad.  Get mad at people that fed you propaganda and lies.  Not me - I'm just a guy that pointed out that bit of math. I can't change it, it is what it is.

And it isn't this - this is a con game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8E42mIvjzRw

Well OK gonna do that this weekend in my spare time.

But considering the data I've found, if what you say is true, well first I'd be really surprised, and then I'd like to know what statistical treatment they went through to give such results.

Any idea of where you can find this raw data?

http://wp.me/P7y4l-9yA

I'd ignore the chart on "ocean heat content."  Nobody had a clue as to ocean heat content until this decade.  Rest of charts look okay.

Here is a simple reference on the UAH satellite data.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UAH_satellite_temperature_dataset

From this discussion you have the methods of interpreting the satellite data.

http://www.remss.com/measurements/upper-air-temperature

From this you can click on a graph and go to the time series measurement tool

http://images.remss.com/msu/msu_time_series.html

Any of those have a "download data" button.
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I personally think looking at the upper stratosphere temperature is more logical, since radiative balance as the net sum of in flows and outflows occurs...at the upper stratosphere.  So if you would like to argue for the use of another temperature measure, then you will have some trouble substantiating "the more CO2 we have the more energy is being absorbed."
I'm not sure if I understand you.
You think CO2 is not absorbing infrared radiation?

Good question.  Sorry I was not clear.

CO2 absorbs certain specific spectra due to it's dipole movements and vibrations, etc.

That is one of a great many things that absorb, emit and so forth.  The net of all of these is outgoing radiation from the planet.  The essential question of "global warming" is whether net outgoing is decreasing relative to net incoming energy, by how much, and whether man is affecting that balance.

Satellite temperature measurements of the upper atmosphere obviously closely measure these issues.  Ground based temperatures measure such things loosely, if at all...

This is why I mentioned that if one wishes to consider/argue the effect of man on "global warming," he MUST use satellite measurements.  It then happens that satellite measurements show no warming in 20 years (maybe it's still 19, I don't recall).  This indicates that net radiative planetary energy balance is unchanged for 19-20 years.  And what does THAT imply?

For one thing it defeats the "central CO2 hypothesis," which teaches that the climate has a high sensitivity to CO2.  Increase CO2, and temperatures increase.  

It's wrong to look for simple explanations, though.

But here is something I don't understand. The graphs show an increase. I mean they DO!
Unless we don't have the same definition of increase of course but... Well as an engineer with a good formation in statistics I feel like I do ^^
Alrighty.  Then you yourself can step through applying the formulas to the raw satellite data and proving for yourself that there is no significant trend.

But do me one favor - after you've proved that, get mad.  Get mad at people that fed you propaganda and lies.  Not me - I'm just a guy that pointed out that bit of math. I can't change it, it is what it is.

And it isn't this - this is a con game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8E42mIvjzRw

Well OK gonna do that this weekend in my spare time.

But considering the data I've found, if what you say is true, well first I'd be really surprised, and then I'd like to know what statistical treatment they went through to give such results.

Any idea of where you can find this raw data?
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I personally think looking at the upper stratosphere temperature is more logical, since radiative balance as the net sum of in flows and outflows occurs...at the upper stratosphere.  So if you would like to argue for the use of another temperature measure, then you will have some trouble substantiating "the more CO2 we have the more energy is being absorbed."
I'm not sure if I understand you.
You think CO2 is not absorbing infrared radiation?

Good question.  Sorry I was not clear.

CO2 absorbs certain specific spectra due to it's dipole movements and vibrations, etc.

That is one of a great many things that absorb, emit and so forth.  The net of all of these is outgoing radiation from the planet.  The essential question of "global warming" is whether net outgoing is decreasing relative to net incoming energy, by how much, and whether man is affecting that balance.

Satellite temperature measurements of the upper atmosphere obviously closely measure these issues.  Ground based temperatures measure such things loosely, if at all...

This is why I mentioned that if one wishes to consider/argue the effect of man on "global warming," he MUST use satellite measurements.  It then happens that satellite measurements show no warming in 20 years (maybe it's still 19, I don't recall).  This indicates that net radiative planetary energy balance is unchanged for 19-20 years.  And what does THAT imply?

For one thing it defeats the "central CO2 hypothesis," which teaches that the climate has a high sensitivity to CO2.  Increase CO2, and temperatures increase.  

It's wrong to look for simple explanations, though.

But here is something I don't understand. The graphs show an increase. I mean they DO!
Unless we don't have the same definition of increase of course but... Well as an engineer with a good formation in statistics I feel like I do ^^
Alrighty.  Then you yourself can step through applying the formulas to the raw satellite data and proving for yourself that there is no significant trend.

But do me one favor - after you've proved that, get mad.  Get mad at people that fed you propaganda and lies.  Not me - I'm just a guy that pointed out that bit of math. I can't change it, it is what it is.

And it isn't this - this is a con game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8E42mIvjzRw
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You have three errors in your lecturing. We take them one by one.

No, the surface temperature is not primarily due to the temperatures at the Earth's core.  Study the "radiation budget", here is a link.  This is very well established science.

Here is the answer from a prime "warmer resource,"

http://www.skepticalscience.com/heatflow.html

Common sense might suggest that all that heat must have a big effect on climate. But the science says no: the amount of heat energy coming out of the Earth is actually very small and the rate of flow of that heat is very steady over long time periods. The effect on the climate is in fact too small to be worth considering.

Here is a brief discussion of the energy budget.

http://missionscience.nasa.gov/ems/13_radiationbudget.html

Next, interglacials caused by ocean currents?  No, they are not.  It is well established that they are the product of periodic variation in the Earth's orbit.

The interglacials and glacials coincide with cyclic changes in the Earth's orbit. Three orbital variations contribute to interglacials. The first is a change in the Earth's orbit around the sun, or eccentricity. The second is a shift in the tilt of the Earth's axis, the obliquity. The third is precession, or wobbling motion of Earth's axis.[1] Warm summers in the northern hemisphere occur when that hemisphere is tilted toward the sun and the Earth is nearest the sun in its elliptical orbit. Cool summers occur when the Earth is farthest from the sun during that season. These effects are more pronounced when the eccentricity of the orbit is large. When the obliquity is large, seasonal changes are more extreme.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interglacial

Finally, you have a rather interesting statement.

... making it hotter will change salinity which will change ocean currents which will influence the beginning of the Ice Age.

No scientific findings support the certainty in your statement (bolded.)  They cannot, because this is outright speculation.  Here is the statement corrected to a reasonable level.

... IF CO2 produced by man makes the Earth hotter this MIGHT CHANGE salinity which MIGHT AFFECT ocean currents which MIGHT influence the beginning of the Ice Age.

That's obvious speculation, why not just state it as such?  Obviously it isn't factual or supported by scientific findings.  It's totally reasonable to discuss as speculation, but it's unacceptable to consider or promote as fact.



At least you're trying to discuss.

1/ This point was to make you understand that the most important is not the total heat but how it's distributed. Earth core heat is reponsible for the most part of energy dissipated on our ground BUT has low impact on climate because it's very equally distributed. It just provides a "base temperature" everywhere of something like 200°.

2/"Next, interglacials caused by ocean currents?  No, they are not.  It is well established that they are the product of periodic variation in the Earth's orbit."
That would be true if we were sure that only that cause Ice Age. But we're absolutely not. Variations of Sun activity, Earth's orbit and salinity of oceans. All of them have an impact. Of course Earth's orbit is a FUCKING IMPORTANT one that's for sure. But not the only one to consider, and at similar Earth's orbit, you might have or not an ice age depending on other factors such as salinity.

3/ Ok fair point. You're perfectly right as it is speculation. But not based on nothing, it's based on simulation. Of course simulations are by themselves outrageous speculations as you try to create a model of reality, which will never be complex enough to be sure of yourself.

1.  Um, no, Earth's core is not responsible for the major part of energy dissipated.  Please help me out a bit here, just check the facts before posting.

Despite its geological significance, this heat energy coming from Earth's interior is actually only 0.03% of Earth's total energy budget at the surface, which is dominated by 173,000 TW of incoming solar radiation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth's_internal_heat_budget


2.  A necessary condition is the orbital changes, and that is a necessary and sufficient condition.  Changes in incoming radiation overpower things such as salinity.  In fact, changes in salinity occur randomly and chaotically in a chaotic system, don't they?  There is no argument here to be made regarding salinity as a driving force behind ice ages.  In fact, it's not the salinity but the changes in ocean currents, isn't it?  And those are not static and certainly will change with time.

3.  Arguing simulation of a mathematically chaotic system?   You really want to go down that road? 

 Instead of focusing on an issue of the type IF A THEN IF B THEN IF C THEN IF D MAYBE....

Why not just stick to reasonable certainties?  IF WE GET HIT BY A BIG ROCK FROM SPACE WE ARE FUCKED.

Let's call the above an 4IF argument.  Fair enough? Is this what you've got in support of AGW? 

LOL...any reasonable person would demand far better than that.  Because we can prove almost anything using a 4IF dialectic.
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I personally think looking at the upper stratosphere temperature is more logical, since radiative balance as the net sum of in flows and outflows occurs...at the upper stratosphere.  So if you would like to argue for the use of another temperature measure, then you will have some trouble substantiating "the more CO2 we have the more energy is being absorbed."
I'm not sure if I understand you.
You think CO2 is not absorbing infrared radiation?

Good question.  Sorry I was not clear.

CO2 absorbs certain specific spectra due to it's dipole movements and vibrations, etc.

That is one of a great many things that absorb, emit and so forth.  The net of all of these is outgoing radiation from the planet.  The essential question of "global warming" is whether net outgoing is decreasing relative to net incoming energy, by how much, and whether man is affecting that balance.

Satellite temperature measurements of the upper atmosphere obviously closely measure these issues.  Ground based temperatures measure such things loosely, if at all...

This is why I mentioned that if one wishes to consider/argue the effect of man on "global warming," he MUST use satellite measurements.  It then happens that satellite measurements show no warming in 20 years (maybe it's still 19, I don't recall).  This indicates that net radiative planetary energy balance is unchanged for 19-20 years.  And what does THAT imply?

For one thing it defeats the "central CO2 hypothesis," which teaches that the climate has a high sensitivity to CO2.  Increase CO2, and temperatures increase. 

It's wrong to look for simple explanations, though.

But here is something I don't understand. The graphs show an increase. I mean they DO!
Unless we don't have the same definition of increase of course but... Well as an engineer with a good formation in statistics I feel like I do ^^
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