Shuuuuuuuuut Galdur...
It is ALL coincidences if we're breaking every records concerning meteorological events and temperatures.
It would have happened anyway no?
Where is the proof of the link with pollution CO2 and human activities? Apart from the entire world scientific community even if they perfectly admit they have legitimate doubts concerning the extent of such impact due to the incredible complexity of such a system. They still all agree on the fact that we're going to bite the dust. And Nature show it too.
But better continue to consume and pollute and destroy the gift of God.
I don´t know; maybe we´re heading into an ice age and scientists and experts will in due course figure out that CO2 emissions in fact cause cooling. The attention span of modern man seems to be on par with that of the common housefly so most people probably wouldn´t even notice the switch.
Well,
hard to deduce the consequences of something so complex.What's sure though it's we gonna hit the consequences the hard way. And those idiots will just be there freezing or burning "where is your proof, it's just normal weather"
Deduce the consequences?
It's a system that mathematically exhibits chaotic behavior. You don't "deduce the consequences" or look for linear trend extensions in such a system.
Statistical averages exist, sure - but what of the Maunder Minimum, and the Medievel warm periods? These indicate longer term trends, 300 to 1500 years. Statistical averages and "outliers" presume a background without such trends.
If we are headed toward a mini ice age, face it, warmers. The slight effect of human induced warming through CO2 emissions is GOOD, not BAD.
Wow. So limited understanding of a complex system.
Ok I'll try to explain it to you:
CO2 warms the Earth
Average temperature increases
Ice melts
Salt concentration in oceans changes
The incredibly complex and fragile system of warm circulation is blocked
Greenwhich dies
We enter an Ice Age
That's the theory. Not saying it's true, in fact NO ONE is saying it's the absolute truth, but it's a theory supported by multiple experiments and being backed by most global warming specialists.
The important fact is that yes you can freeze the Earth with CO2. That's possible.
No, I don't buy it one bit. In fact, what you have posted along with your disclaimers, makes almost no sense.
Hate to say it, but it's just more of this totally bonkers "If it's cold it's due to Global Warming" nonsense. Blame everything on one factor through some twisted logic.
So let's go at it again.
1. Cyclically, we appear close to the beginning of a new ice age now.
2. An ice age consists of sheets of permanent ice moving south in latitude from the North Pole, and north in latitude from the South Pole.
3. Increases in global temperature prevent that, decreases accelerate it.
4. Allegedly, man is increasing global temperature in significant amounts. The extent is disputed ("No temperature increase in 20 years" at present)
This is not complicated. Please don't hide behind "it's complex" and "maybe it's not true" and other stuff, while at the same time trying to maintain a condescending attitude. Doesn't work very well, right?
Ok so you just ignored any major change in the way that heat is stocked... Great great great...
You wanna know something?
The heat of the sun is not rally important, it's relatively quite a low energy amount compared to the one stocked in the Earth. Even if tomorrow the sun would just stop heating... Well it wouldn't be really bad for at least a few days. And life would remain for still thousands of millions of years (though maybe not humans xD)The important part is HOW is the warmth distributed. And that's why Ice melting and greenwhich are important...
that's crazy talk. Within 48-72 hours all the carbon dioxide would be falling as snow, then the nitrogen would liquify, then the oxygen, then the surface would be a vacuum. the only life left would be spores, virus, other things that can survive in a vacuum at cryogenic temperatures.
The heat from the sun is over a kilowatt per square meter, of which about 1/4 makes it in to the surface IIRC.
Regarding this ridiculous statement you have made...
yes you can freeze the Earth with CO2. That's possible.You have not proved this and cannot. You are saying outright that something can get hotter because it gets colder or colder because it gets hotter. But at the same time you want to claim that if it gets hotter it gets hotter. Well, make up your mind, please. You want to be able to claim that your predetermined outcome will occur no matter if it gets hotter or colder. This is nonsense, and it ignores the basic facts regarding climate.
Namely, we are currently in the Holocene Interglacial. Period. Look at the historical record of ice ages and warm ages, please.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_ageSorry I wasn't really clear, I was talking about the surface temperature which is mainly due to degradation of radioactive elements inside Earth.
But for sure the consequences on the atmosphere would be much stronger.
Thanks for the link. Here is, in a better English, exactly what we tried to explain you:
"Another important contribution to ancient climate regimes is the variation of ocean currents, which are modified by continent position, sea levels and salinity, as well as other factors. They have the ability to cool (e.g. aiding the creation of Antarctic ice) and the ability to warm (e.g. giving the British Isles a temperate as opposed to a boreal climate). The closing of the Isthmus of Panama about 3 million years ago may have ushered in the present period of strong glaciation over North America by ending the exchange of water between the tropical Atlantic and Pacific Oceans.[47]
Analyses suggest that ocean current fluctuations can adequately account for recent glacial oscillations. During the last glacial period the sea-level has fluctuated 20–30 m as water was sequestered, primarily in the Northern Hemisphere ice sheets. When ice collected and the sea level dropped sufficiently, flow through the Bering Strait (the narrow strait between Siberia and Alaska is ~50 m deep today) was reduced, resulting in increased flow from the North Atlantic. This realigned the thermohaline circulation in the Atlantic, increasing heat transport into the Arctic, which melted the polar ice accumulation and reduced other continental ice sheets. The release of water raised sea levels again, restoring the ingress of colder water from the Pacific with an accompanying shift to northern hemisphere ice accumulation."
So yeah, making it hotter will change salinity which will change ocean currents which will influence the beginning of the Ice Age.
You have three errors in your lecturing. We take them one by one.
No, the surface temperature is not primarily due to the temperatures at the Earth's core. Study the "radiation budget", here is a link. This is very well established science.
Here is the answer from a prime "warmer resource,"
http://www.skepticalscience.com/heatflow.htmlCommon sense might suggest that all that heat must have a big effect on climate. But the science says no: the amount of heat energy coming out of the Earth is actually very small and the rate of flow of that heat is very steady over long time periods. The effect on the climate is in fact too small to be worth considering.Here is a brief discussion of the energy budget.
http://missionscience.nasa.gov/ems/13_radiationbudget.htmlNext, interglacials caused by ocean currents? No, they are not. It is well established that they are the product of periodic variation in the Earth's orbit.
The interglacials and glacials coincide with cyclic changes in the Earth's orbit. Three orbital variations contribute to interglacials. The first is a change in the Earth's orbit around the sun, or eccentricity. The second is a shift in the tilt of the Earth's axis, the obliquity. The third is precession, or wobbling motion of Earth's axis.[1] Warm summers in the northern hemisphere occur when that hemisphere is tilted toward the sun and the Earth is nearest the sun in its elliptical orbit. Cool summers occur when the Earth is farthest from the sun during that season. These effects are more pronounced when the eccentricity of the orbit is large. When the obliquity is large, seasonal changes are more extreme.[2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InterglacialFinally, you have a rather interesting statement.
... making it hotter
will change salinity
which will change ocean currents
which will influence the beginning of the Ice Age.
No scientific findings support the certainty in your statement (bolded.) They cannot, because this is outright speculation. Here is the statement corrected to a reasonable level.
...
IF CO2 produced by man makes the Earth hotter this
MIGHT CHANGE salinity
which MIGHT AFFECT ocean currents
which MIGHT influence the beginning of the Ice Age.
That's obvious speculation, why not just state it as such? Obviously it isn't factual or supported by scientific findings. It's totally reasonable to discuss as speculation, but it's unacceptable to consider or promote as fact.