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Quote from: dupeddonk on May 24, 2020, 08:31:53 PM

i didnt make it to read about these parts lol its more interesting than i thought

so paul manafort was convincing russia that if trump won then trump would help russia take over ukraine. ukraine is our ally russia is our enemy so thats awful. but trump probably had nothing to do with this part of it, manafort just saw it as win win since hes friends with trump and also the oligarchs right? all this must have just given russia even more motivation.

Whether or not Trump was aware of or involved in Manafort offering Russia support in dealing with Ukraine (and keeping crimea, the part of Ukraine that Russia had recently invaded), while also passing along campaign info to oligarchs is something that Mueller was not able to prove.

If Trump didn't know then there are a ton of crazy coincidences.

For example, we know that on July 29, Manafort tells Kilimnik that Aug 2 would be a good date to meet in NYC.

Trump ABC interview on July 31:

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"You know, the people of Crimea, from what I've heard, would rather be with Russia than where they were, And you have to look at that, also. Now, that was under -- just so you understand, that was done under Obama's administration. ... Crimea has been taken. Don't blame Donald Trump for that."

https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf (page 139)

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on May 24, 2020, 08:17:12 PM

Quote from: TECSHARE on May 24, 2020, 07:30:50 PM

90% of that garbage has been proven false. Good try tho digging up corpses of arguments long dead to try to pretend you still have a point.

Which 10% ~~is true~~ has not been proven false?

That Russia spent a few thousand dollars on social media ads. Clearly that was the deciding factor in the 2016 election.

"Hidden Over 2 Years: Dem Cyber-Firm's Sworn Testimony It Had No Proof of Russian Hack of DNC"

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2020/05/13/hidden_over_2_years_dem_cyber-firms_sworn_testimony_it_had_no_proof_of_russian_hack_of_dnc_123596.html

"Russiagate Exposed: It’s A Fraud"

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2017/07/18/russiagate-exposed-fraud/

"VIPS: Mueller’s Forensics-Free Findings"

https://consortiumnews.com/2019/03/13/vips-muellers-forensics-free-findings/

"Guccifer 2.0 Game Over – Year End Review"

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-25/guccifer-20-game-over-year-end-review-0

"FISA Bombshell: Russian Intelligence Knew Christopher Steele Was Investigating Trump During 2016 Campaign"

https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/15/steele-dossier-russian-disinformation-trump/

"Former NSC Chief Of Staff: John Brennan Buried Evidence That Putin Actually Favored Hillary In 2016"

https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/23/fred-fleitz-john-brennan-buried-evidence-putin-favored-hillary/

"Rosenstein on Russian Indictment: No American was “knowing participant,” no allegation conduct “altered the outcome of the 2016 election”"

https://legalinsurrection.com/2018/02/rosenstein-on-russian-indictment-no-american-was-knowing-participant-no-allegation-altered-the-outcome-of-the-2016-election/

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on May 24, 2020, 06:52:57 PM

Quote from: TECSHARE on May 24, 2020, 06:33:42 PM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on May 24, 2020, 06:27:14 PM

How they interfered in the 2016 election.

Could you possibly be any more vague? Also what would make this different than any other election previous? Are you suggesting they suddenly started doing this in 2016?

You should read the report. https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

Also check out the Russian indictments. Here is an example of how much Mueller uncovered:

Quote from: TECSHARE on May 24, 2020, 06:19:34 PM

I like how you make the baseless claim of Russian collusion and move the goal posts to Ukraine so you can pretend you have an argument as we delve into yet another baseless accusation.

You wouldn't say that if you would have actually read the report. It's willful ignorance at this point.

i didnt make it to read about these parts lol its more interesting than i thought

so paul manafort was convincing russia that if trump won then trump would help russia take over ukraine. ukraine is our ally russia is our enemy so thats awful. but trump probably had nothing to do with this part of it, manafort just saw it as win win since hes friends with trump and also the oligarchs right? all this must have just given russia even more motivation.

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Quote from: TECSHARE on May 24, 2020, 07:30:50 PM

90% of that garbage has been proven false. Good try tho digging up corpses of arguments long dead to try to pretend you still have a point.

Which 10% ~~is true~~ has not been proven false?

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90% of that garbage has been proven false. Good try tho digging up corpses of arguments long dead to try to pretend you still have a point.

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Quote from: TECSHARE on May 24, 2020, 06:33:42 PM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on May 24, 2020, 06:27:14 PM

How they interfered in the 2016 election.

Could you possibly be any more vague? Also what would make this different than any other election previous? Are you suggesting they suddenly started doing this in 2016?

You should read the report. https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

Also check out the Russian indictments. Here is an example of how much Mueller uncovered:

Quote from: TECSHARE on May 24, 2020, 06:19:34 PM

I like how you make the baseless claim of Russian collusion and move the goal posts to Ukraine so you can pretend you have an argument as we delve into yet another baseless accusation.

You wouldn't say that if you would have actually read the report. It's willful ignorance at this point.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on May 24, 2020, 06:27:14 PM

How they interfered in the 2016 election.

Could you possibly be any more vague? Also what would make this different than any other election previous? Are you suggesting they suddenly started doing this in 2016?

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Quote from: TECSHARE on May 24, 2020, 06:19:34 PM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on May 24, 2020, 04:50:00 PM

The investigation was into Russian interference in the 2016 election. The investigation revealed exactly how they did it, which will make it easier to stop it from happening again.
There were many links to and contacts between the Russian government and members of the Trump campaign which were investigated, but that only made up chapter 4 of the report.
The destructiveness came from Trump bitching and crying every single day and obstructing the investigation.

You should read it: https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

Also, Cohen was convicted of making an excessive campaign contribution at the request of a candidate for the "principal purpose of influencing election". You're right it has nothing to do with Russia though.

PS: did you know before Manafort was running Trumps campaign he made millions helping Putins top choice get elected in Ukraine? (Ukraine and Russia are enemies, fyi) That's the money he didn't pay taxes on. Money he made by helping Russia influence a different presidential election.

Revealed exactly how they did what?

How they interfered in the 2016 election.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on May 24, 2020, 04:50:00 PM

The investigation was into Russian interference in the 2016 election. The investigation revealed exactly how they did it, which will make it easier to stop it from happening again.
There were many links to and contacts between the Russian government and members of the Trump campaign which were investigated, but that only made up chapter 4 of the report.
The destructiveness came from Trump bitching and crying every single day and obstructing the investigation.

You should read it: https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

Also, Cohen was convicted of making an excessive campaign contribution at the request of a candidate for the "principal purpose of influencing election". You're right it has nothing to do with Russia though.

PS: did you know before Manafort was running Trumps campaign he made millions helping Putins top choice get elected in Ukraine? (Ukraine and Russia are enemies, fyi) That's the money he didn't pay taxes on. Money he made by helping Russia influence a different presidential election.

Revealed exactly how they did what? You are still desperately clinging to the delusion this has anything to do with the Trump campaign? Yeah why would anyone protest over an investigation designed as a coup attempt based on fraud and felonious activity right? Fucking innocent people complaining about illegal investigations!

I like how you make the baseless claim of Russian collusion and move the goal posts to Ukraine so you can pretend you have an argument as we delve into yet another baseless accusation.

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Quote from: TECSHARE on May 24, 2020, 02:38:22 AM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on May 24, 2020, 01:26:11 AM

If anyone got their ass hammered from the Mueller investigation it was his Campaign Chair and Personal Lawyer. They're safe now serving the rest of their prison terms out at home due to the pandemic though, don't worry.

Michael Cohen was convicted of tax fraud and perjuring himself in front of congress. None of this has anything to do with Russia, or Trump, except for the fact that he served as his lawyer. You enjoy your back breaking mental gymnastics to try to spin this as some kind of evidence of this massively destructive Russia collusion investigation being justified regardless.

The investigation was into Russian interference in the 2016 election. The investigation revealed exactly how they did it, which will make it easier to stop it from happening again.
There were many links to and contacts between the Russian government and members of the Trump campaign which were investigated, but that only made up chapter 4 of the report.
The destructiveness came from Trump bitching and crying every single day and obstructing the investigation.

You should read it: https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

Also, Cohen was convicted of making an excessive campaign contribution at the request of a candidate for the "principal purpose of influencing election". You're right it has nothing to do with Russia though.

PS: did you know before Manafort was running Trumps campaign he made millions helping Putins top choice get elected in Ukraine? (Ukraine and Russia are enemies, fyi) That's the money he didn't pay taxes on. Money he made by helping Russia influence a different presidential election.

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Quote from: TECSHARE on May 24, 2020, 02:38:22 AM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on May 24, 2020, 01:26:11 AM

If anyone got their ass hammered from the Mueller investigation it was his Campaign Chair and Personal Lawyer. They're safe now serving the rest of their prison terms out at home due to the pandemic though, don't worry.

Michael Cohen was convicted of tax fraud...

The exact same type of tax avoidance for which ten thousand others were NOT CHARGED OR CONVICTED. Look up UBI, it's all a historical record.

Now why was Cohen singled out?

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on May 24, 2020, 01:26:11 AM

If anyone got their ass hammered from the Mueller investigation it was his Campaign Chair and Personal Lawyer. They're safe now serving the rest of their prison terms out at home due to the pandemic though, don't worry.

Michael Cohen was convicted of tax fraud and perjuring himself in front of congress. None of this has anything to do with Russia, or Trump, except for the fact that he served as his lawyer. You enjoy your back breaking mental gymnastics to try to spin this as some kind of evidence of this massively destructive Russia collusion investigation being justified regardless.

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Quote from: TECSHARE on May 24, 2020, 12:34:37 AM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on May 23, 2020, 11:49:06 PM

'‘No Vacancies’ for Blacks: How Donald Trump Got His Start, and Was First Accused of Bias'

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/28/us/politics/donald-trump-housing-race.html

The deep state has been after Trump since 1973 when he was 27 years old!

The operative word being "accused". Again, nice topic sliding. You know you got your ass hammered with the fraudulent Trump investigations that turned up nothing so you are desperately searching for anything to distract from that.

If anyone got their ass hammered from the Mueller investigation it was his Campaign Chair and Personal Lawyer. They're safe now serving the rest of their prison terms out at home due to the pandemic though, don't worry.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on May 23, 2020, 11:49:06 PM

'‘No Vacancies’ for Blacks: How Donald Trump Got His Start, and Was First Accused of Bias'

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/28/us/politics/donald-trump-housing-race.html

The deep state has been after Trump since 1973 when he was 27 years old!

The operative word being "accused". Again, nice topic sliding. You know you got your ass hammered with the fraudulent Trump investigations that turned up nothing so you are desperately searching for anything to distract from that.

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'‘No Vacancies’ for Blacks: How Donald Trump Got His Start, and Was First Accused of Bias'

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/28/us/politics/donald-trump-housing-race.html

The deep state has been after Trump since 1973 when he was 27 years old!

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Quote from: TECSHARE on May 22, 2020, 10:11:12 PM

Quote from: Spendulus on May 22, 2020, 09:24:27 PM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on May 22, 2020, 03:17:54 PM

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I don't think it was off topic when you posted about the same investigation in this thread 7 months ago when it was opened. Pretty sure that this is also what Trump is talking about when he says 'OBAMA-GATE!' 'biggest political crime in American history!'....

The part of this which is notable is that this thread is REEEE, created due to and in response to censorship of the original thread.

REEEE was a repository for posts which were deleted by abusive moderators or self moderated threads.

Now those threads have starved themselves out, leaving ONLY the REEEE threads (predictable, at least to some of us.

Yep. First they create a censored thread, it dies. I create an open thread. They run out of arguments knowing that their communist overlord moderator will not move their off topic posts, they then strip my ability to have a discussion again with topic sliding. FREE SPEECH!

Free speech for (liberal authoritarian and totalitarians), not for you. No, no, no.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on May 22, 2020, 03:17:54 PM

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I don't think it was off topic when you posted about the same investigation in this thread 7 months ago when it was opened. Pretty sure that this is also what Trump is talking about when he says 'OBAMA-GATE!' 'biggest political crime in American history!'....

The part of this which is notable is that this thread is REEEE, created due to and in response to censorship of the original thread.

REEEE was a repository for posts which were deleted by abusive moderators or self moderated threads.

Now those threads have starved themselves out, leaving ONLY the REEEE threads (predictable, at least to some of us.

Yep. First they create a censored thread, it dies. I create an open thread. They run out of arguments knowing that their communist overlord moderator will not move their off topic posts, they then strip my ability to have a discussion again with topic sliding. FREE SPEECH!

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on May 22, 2020, 03:17:54 PM

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I don't think it was off topic when you posted about the same investigation in this thread 7 months ago when it was opened. Pretty sure that this is also what Trump is talking about when he says 'OBAMA-GATE!' 'biggest political crime in American history!'....

The part of this which is notable is that this thread is REEEE, created due to and in response to censorship of the original thread.

REEEE was a repository for posts which were deleted by abusive moderators or self moderated threads.

Now those threads have starved themselves out, leaving ONLY the REEEE threads (predictable, at least to some of us.

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Quote from: TECSHARE on October 25, 2019, 07:27:05 AM

"Justice department opens criminal inquiry into origins of Russia investigation"

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/24/justice-department-opens-criminal-inquiry-into-origins-of-russia-investigation-source

Barr appointed the Connecticut state attorney, John Durham, to lead the review of whether US intelligence and law enforcement agencies acted properly when they examined possible ties between the Trump campaign and Russia.

Quote from: TwitchySeal on May 22, 2020, 11:02:42 AM

"Barr: Obama, Biden not under criminal investigation despite Trump's claims"

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/05/18/obama-biden-not-under-criminal-investigation-despite-trumps-claims/5213295002/

While Barr said Monday that he does not expect Durham's work to lead to a criminal investigation of either Obama or Biden, he suggested that "others" could be vulnerable in the criminal inquiry.

I don't think it was off topic when you posted about the same investigation in this thread 7 months ago when it was opened. Pretty sure that this is also what Trump is talking about when he says 'OBAMA-GATE!' 'biggest political crime in American history!'

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"Senate Republicans break with Trump over ‘Obamagate’"

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Trump accused the former president of committing the “biggest political crime in American history.”

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When asked Monday what crime Obama allegedly committed, Trump replied: “You know what the crime is. The crime is very obvious to everybody, all you have to do is read the newspapers.”

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President Donald Trump’s aggressive campaign to encourage sweeping investigations of his predecessor Barack Obama met a unanimous response from Senate Republicans: No thanks.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/11/senate-republicans-trump-obamagate-24973

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on May 22, 2020, 12:17:47 PM

Quote from: TECSHARE on May 22, 2020, 11:15:20 AM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on May 22, 2020, 11:02:42 AM

"Barr: Obama, Biden not under criminal investigation despite Trump's claims"

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/05/18/obama-biden-not-under-criminal-investigation-despite-trumps-claims/5213295002/

Kind of reminds me of a few months ago...

"U.S. inquiry into FBI, Clinton spurred by Republicans ends without results: Washington Post"

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-investigation/u-s-inquiry-into-fbi-clinton-spurred-by-republicans-ends-without-results-washington-post-idUSKBN1Z905V

Or a couple years ago...

"Report: Trump commission did not find widespread voter fraud"

https://apnews.com/f5f6a73b2af546ee97816bb35e82c18d/Report:-Trump-commission-did-not-find-widespread-voter-fraud

None of this is on topic.

I wish you were right. He generally shouldn't be involved directly in the investigation of anyone, especially personal enemies - aside from maybe the voter fraud commission, all he's doing is introducing the appearance of a conflict of interest should any of his enemies actually get indicted. But he keeps doing it and making it all about himself. These are not FBI or even congressional investigations...they're Trump Investigations.

"Senate Republicans break with Trump over ‘Obamagate’"

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Trump accused the former president of committing the “biggest political crime in American history.”

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When asked Monday what crime Obama allegedly committed, Trump replied: “You know what the crime is. The crime is very obvious to everybody, all you have to do is read the newspapers.”

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President Donald Trump’s aggressive campaign to encourage sweeping investigations of his predecessor Barack Obama met a unanimous response from Senate Republicans: No thanks.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/11/senate-republicans-trump-obamagate-249734

This thread is about investigations into Trump and Trump affiliates, not investigations into his opponents. This is off topic. Make your own thread or take it to a related one.

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