Charges against Michael Flynn have just been dropped by the DOJ. Top prosecutor in the case removed himself earlier this Thursday, and all of this is following the release of the memos from the FBI. These have been discussed in these threads already, but the Flynn team have said that these memos (from the FBI) show that the FBI was wrong in how they went about some portions of their investigation.
I know some are not going to be a big fan of Fox here, but this is the best I could do on a breaking news story - https://www.foxnews.com/politics/drops-doj-case-against-michael-flynn-in-wake-of-internal-memo-release
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"Grenell Gives Schiff Ultimatum: 'Release Secret Russiagate Transcripts Or I Will'"
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/byron-yorks-daily-memo-exclusive-dni-to-schiff-the-transcripts-are-ready-to-release
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/byron-yorks-daily-memo-exclusive-dni-to-schiff-the-transcripts-are-ready-to-release
Do you agree or not that anyone brought into the federal court system by the FBI is a fucked monkey?
And also. Where is this headed and why? You seriously pushed anti-trump stuff. Anti-kavanaugh. Impeach Trump. Blah blahblaH.
Now it's as if you are denying the facts that Flynn is trying to reverse his guilty plea by proving he's guilty on the internet, while the lying corrupt bunch that tried to do him in have all been fired and many are under criminal investigation.
Seriously, are you track with the actual real world status of the Flynn investigation?
And also. Where is this headed and why? You seriously pushed anti-trump stuff. Anti-kavanaugh. Impeach Trump. Blah blahblaH.
Now it's as if you are denying the facts that Flynn is trying to reverse his guilty plea by proving he's guilty on the internet, while the lying corrupt bunch that tried to do him in have all been fired and many are under criminal investigation.
Seriously, are you track with the actual real world status of the Flynn investigation?
He knows. He would just rather feel right than be right, hence the constant deflection and topic sliding.
Maybe, but the real world here is a full blown CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION into the way the prosecutor's handled the Flynn matter.
That's not "Republican or Democrat." That's simply the current status of a matter in the real world.
It may be that some real world aspects are actively suppressed. For example if we go check the Huff Post, will there be zero coverage of the above mentioned criminal investigation? That would be interesting. Maybe Twitch could inform us of such a distortion ?
Do you agree or not that anyone brought into the federal court system by the FBI is a fucked monkey?
And also. Where is this headed and why? You seriously pushed anti-trump stuff. Anti-kavanaugh. Impeach Trump. Blah blahblaH.
Now it's as if you are denying the facts that Flynn is trying to reverse his guilty plea by proving he's guilty on the internet, while the lying corrupt bunch that tried to do him in have all been fired and many are under criminal investigation.
Seriously, are you track with the actual real world status of the Flynn investigation?
And also. Where is this headed and why? You seriously pushed anti-trump stuff. Anti-kavanaugh. Impeach Trump. Blah blahblaH.
Now it's as if you are denying the facts that Flynn is trying to reverse his guilty plea by proving he's guilty on the internet, while the lying corrupt bunch that tried to do him in have all been fired and many are under criminal investigation.
Seriously, are you track with the actual real world status of the Flynn investigation?
He knows. He would just rather feel right than be right, hence the constant deflection and topic sliding.
That's not enough. I really don't get it. Overall, the discussion is about Flynn reversing his guilty plea. Is that material? Is the exact percentage material? It sounds like you agree with Techshare and I that anyone brought into the federal court system by the FBI has overwhelming odds and costs stacked against him.
Do you agree or not that anyone brought into the federal court system by the FBI is a fucked monkey?
Do you agree or not that anyone brought into the federal court system by the FBI is a fucked monkey?
If we're going to have a rational discussion, we have to figure which facts we agree on.
Are you willing to do that?
When I post data with sources, and the response is 'nice cherry picking' followed by an argument....do you understand why it doesn't make sense to continue the discussion until we figure out what the actual facts are that we agree on?
I didn't intentionally cherry pick the data. Maybe I missed something, it's possible - and I'll apologize and admit I made a mistake if so.
Do you agree or not that anyone brought into the federal court system by the FBI is a fucked monkey?
And also. Where is this headed and why? You seriously pushed anti-trump stuff. Anti-kavanaugh. Impeach Trump. Blah blahblaH.
Now it's as if you are denying the facts that Flynn is trying to reverse his guilty plea by proving he's guilty on the internet, while the lying corrupt bunch that tried to do him in have all been fired and many are under criminal investigation.
Seriously, are you track with the actual real world status of the Flynn investigation?
If we're going to have a rational discussion, we have to figure which facts we agree on.
Are you willing to do that?
When I post data with sources, and the response is 'nice cherry picking' followed by an argument....do you understand why it doesn't make sense to continue the discussion until we figure out what the actual facts are that we agree on?
I didn't intentionally cherry pick the data. Maybe I missed something, it's possible - and I'll apologize and admit I made a mistake if so.
Are you willing to do that?
When I post data with sources, and the response is 'nice cherry picking' followed by an argument....do you understand why it doesn't make sense to continue the discussion until we figure out what the actual facts are that we agree on?
I didn't intentionally cherry pick the data. Maybe I missed something, it's possible - and I'll apologize and admit I made a mistake if so.
It is cherry picking because you picked one year as opposed to the average which is even higher. Again, it is irrelevant to the premise anyway. The fact is if the feds charge you you have a sliver of a hope of spending years in court and being bankrupted if you are lucky.
That's not enough. I really don't get it. Overall, the discussion is about Flynn reversing his guilty plea. Is that material? Is the exact percentage material? It sounds like you agree with Techshare and I that anyone brought into the federal court system by the FBI has overwhelming odds and costs stacked against him.
Do you agree or not that anyone brought into the federal court system by the FBI is a fucked monkey?
Do you agree or not that anyone brought into the federal court system by the FBI is a fucked monkey?
If we're going to have a rational discussion, we have to figure which facts we agree on.
Are you willing to do that?
When I post data with sources, and the response is 'nice cherry picking' followed by an argument....do you understand why it doesn't make sense to continue the discussion until we figure out what the actual facts are that we agree on?
I didn't intentionally cherry pick the data. Maybe I missed something, it's possible - and I'll apologize and admit I made a mistake if so.
Yes. The data isn't cherry picked.
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That's not enough. I really don't get it. Overall, the discussion is about Flynn reversing his guilty plea. Is that material? Is the exact percentage material? It sounds like you agree with Techshare and I that anyone brought into the federal court system by the FBI has overwhelming odds and costs stacked against him.
Do you agree or not that anyone brought into the federal court system by the FBI is a fucked monkey?
What did I cherry pick? I don't understand.
Do you think I cherry picked the year 2018? I can't find the numbers for 2019 - if you can let me know.
Do you think I cherry picked the year 2018? I can't find the numbers for 2019 - if you can let me know.
Disingenuouscherrypickingtwatsayswhat?
Yes, that is the definition of cherry picking.
What statistics did I leave out?
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As of 2018 (https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/11/only-2-of-federal-criminal-defendants-go-to-trial-and-most-who-do-are-found-guilty/ft_19-06-11_trialsandguiltypleas-pie-2/), 90% of those facing federal charges plead guilty, 8% have their case dismissed, 2% go to trial.
Of the 2% that go to trial, 83% are found guilty by a jury (or occasionally a judge if they waive their right to trial by jury)
Of the 2% that go to trial, 83% are found guilty by a jury (or occasionally a judge if they waive their right to trial by jury)
Do you think these numbers are not accurate?
.....
Yes. The data isn't cherry picked.
Do you have a point? If so, what? That the 2% that went to trial 83% depleted all their financial resources, that 8% got their cases dismissed by ratting on someone up the chain?
The entire reason you are talking about a Flynn case at all is because he didn't have anything to rat on Trump about because Trump was doing nothing wrong. So your lying cunts that were trying to entrap Trump failed.
The entire reason you are talking about a Flynn case at all is because he didn't have anything to rat on Trump about because Trump was doing nothing wrong. So your lying cunts that were trying to entrap Trump failed.
Of course he doesn't have a point, which is why he is desperately trying to topic slide. His premise is meaningless no matter which years numbers you look at. My premise still stands. Anyone facing federal charges has only a sliver of a chance of defending themselves, and those who do will spend years doing so resulting in bankruptcy.
This was exactly the reason they threatened to charge his son in the hopes of leveraging Flynn to plea bargain and bear false witness against Trump. They were DESPERATE to cover up their own treasonous crimes. They figured once Killary was in it would all just go away. Ooopsey poosey doopsey.
What did I cherry pick? I don't understand.
Do you think I cherry picked the year 2018? I can't find the numbers for 2019 - if you can let me know.
Do you think I cherry picked the year 2018? I can't find the numbers for 2019 - if you can let me know.
Disingenuouscherrypickingtwatsayswhat?
Yes, that is the definition of cherry picking.
What statistics did I leave out?
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As of 2018 (https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/11/only-2-of-federal-criminal-defendants-go-to-trial-and-most-who-do-are-found-guilty/ft_19-06-11_trialsandguiltypleas-pie-2/), 90% of those facing federal charges plead guilty, 8% have their case dismissed, 2% go to trial.
Of the 2% that go to trial, 83% are found guilty by a jury (or occasionally a judge if they waive their right to trial by jury)
Of the 2% that go to trial, 83% are found guilty by a jury (or occasionally a judge if they waive their right to trial by jury)
Do you think these numbers are not accurate?
.....
The entire reason you are talking about a Flynn case at all is because he didn't have anything to rat on Trump about because Trump was doing nothing wrong. So your lying cunts that were trying to entrap Trump failed.
What did I cherry pick? I don't understand.
Do you think I cherry picked the year 2018? I can't find the numbers for 2019 - if you can let me know.
Do you think I cherry picked the year 2018? I can't find the numbers for 2019 - if you can let me know.
Disingenuouscherrypickingtwatsayswhat?
Yes, that is the definition of cherry picking.
What statistics did I leave out?
Quote
As of 2018 (https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/11/only-2-of-federal-criminal-defendants-go-to-trial-and-most-who-do-are-found-guilty/ft_19-06-11_trialsandguiltypleas-pie-2/), 90% of those facing federal charges plead guilty, 8% have their case dismissed, 2% go to trial.
Of the 2% that go to trial, 83% are found guilty by a jury (or occasionally a judge if they waive their right to trial by jury)
Of the 2% that go to trial, 83% are found guilty by a jury (or occasionally a judge if they waive their right to trial by jury)
Do you think these numbers are not accurate?
...
What did I cherry pick? I don't understand.
Do you think I cherry picked the year 2018? I can't find the numbers for 2019 - if you can let me know.
What did I cherry pick? I don't understand.
Do you think I cherry picked the year 2018? I can't find the numbers for 2019 - if you can let me know.
trying to argue, maybe he's got a 17% chance in this rigged system...
What are you DOING? There is a guy named Flynn, who is trying to get out of this contrived, rigged politically motivated scam of a court process.
I am only describing it.
Are you advocating the process? His guilt? Anything that promotes "Orange Man Bad?"
What did I cherry pick? I don't understand.
Do you think I cherry picked the year 2018? I can't find the numbers for 2019 - if you can let me know.
Do you think I cherry picked the year 2018? I can't find the numbers for 2019 - if you can let me know.
Disingenuouscherrypickingtwatsayswhat?
Yes, that is the definition of cherry picking. The hilarious part is you are arguing over single digits in difference when the whole point is you have a sliver of a chance of defending yourself, and even then you will almost certainly have years of your life wasted and be bankrupted doing so. Why would anyone fear that for their children?
Once again, the federal conviction rate is 98%.
As of 2018, 90% of those facing federal charges plead guilty, 8% have their case dismissed, 2% go to trial. Of the 2% that go to trial, 83% are found guilty by a jury (or occasionally a judge if they waive their right to trial by jury)
Wow! You repeated your cherry picking, only this time with a graph! Very much more convincing thank you!
Do you think I cherry picked the year 2018? I can't find the numbers for 2019 - if you can let me know.
Once again, the federal conviction rate is 98%.
As of 2018, 90% of those facing federal charges plead guilty, 8% have their case dismissed, 2% go to trial. Of the 2% that go to trial, 83% are found guilty by a jury (or occasionally a judge if they waive their right to trial by jury)
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Wow! You repeated your cherry picking, only this time with a graph! Very much more convincing thank you!
Once again, the federal conviction rate is 98%.
As of 2018, 90% of those facing federal charges plead guilty, 8% have their case dismissed, 2% go to trial. Of the 2% that go to trial, 83% are found guilty by a jury (or occasionally a judge if they waive their right to trial by jury)
[img ]https://i.gyazo.com/e65ffa3d9692832d0e89fe3d1e71d6c3.png[/img]
Wow! You repeated your cherry picking, only this time with a graph! Very much more convincing thank you!
Once again, the federal conviction rate is 98%.
As of 2018, 90% of those facing federal charges plead guilty, 8% have their case dismissed, 2% go to trial.
Of the 2% that go to trial, 83% are found guilty by a jury (or occasionally a judge if they waive their right to trial by jury)
You aren't going to face federal charges unless there is overwhelming evidence that you're guilty and the DOJ is confident they can convince a jury to vote unanimously to convict.
Once again, the federal conviction rate is 98%.
As of 2018, 90% of those facing federal charges plead guilty, 8% have their case dismissed, 2% go to trial. Of the 2% that go to trial, 83% are found guilty by a jury (or occasionally a judge if they waive their right to trial by jury)
Once again, the federal conviction rate is 98%.
As of 2018, 90% of those facing federal charges plead guilty, 8% have their case dismissed, 2% go to trial.
Of the 2% that go to trial, 83% are found guilty by a jury (or occasionally a judge if they waive their right to trial by jury)
You aren't going to face federal charges unless there is overwhelming evidence that you're guilty and the DOJ is confident they can convince a jury to vote unanimously to convict.
Nice cherry picking. The conviction rates year by year have been as high as 99% You go ahead and quibble over a few digits to pretend to have a point. What is important is you have very little chance of defending yourself. Just because you are convicted of a crime doesn't make you guilty or even a criminal. The system is set up to railroad people innocent or guilty.
https://fee.org/articles/three-felonies-a-day-how-the-feds-target-the-innocent/
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