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Quote from: bobyhodob on September 08, 2020, 10:07:44 AM

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Quote from: Gotumoot on September 08, 2020, 01:09:27 AM

I like their idea to limit the gambling bets for those who couldn't really afford it but couldn't also stop on gambling but the question here is it is really effective?
People would still find a way to cheat it we already see so many KYC policy that has been cheated by so many people so I think this could also be cheated too.
And if this kind of policy would be implemented then I think plenty of people would also make a business out of it making some accounts for the gamblers to buy so that they could continue to gamble.

Legal casinos can limit gambling bets, and they will do that if there is a law about it, they will respect it and follow the rules,
better that than inspection to come and close them. But there will be underground casinos, privacy casinos, they will not ask
any questions, you can spend your money and nobody will ask you about your limits, where you got money from.
Gotumoot even you say how there will be new business opportunity for people to create accounts for other people, so they
can gamble.

well, if you get such a limit, it will not give freedom to gamblers, and what is worse is that the government can find out who has a very large amount of money assets because surely gambling places that have legality will have their own records and usually records. it is deposited by the government for reporting the data as an archive.

The ability to remain anonymous in crypto is a growing concern not only for people who make a good amount of money but for any individual who wants no tracing as this was the purpose of decentralization.

Defeating that core value that crypto is known for is going to cut the traffic on a gambling/casino site right down. But in a way it still is an issue if these places want to operate within legal bounds. It is a conundrum and the solution isn't as simple as keeping verifiable records.

The growing issue for this much needed solution is the need for standard grounds, that will apply to places outside of a certain area.
Will we see this happen? I think this depends on the regulatory bodies lining up with crypto space and as we have seen this is already challenging, alas greater efforts must be made.

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Quote from: Becky666 on September 04, 2020, 10:43:05 AM

Of course you can switch-on to VPN: though not advisable. This has caused so many displeased stories on this forum in which gamblers( victims) where queried for not properly read the TOS of some gambling platforms. The use of this VPN can cause frozen of account with some gambling platforms or when detected during withdrawal process funds will be seize and forfeited for violation. While use VPN, be ready for the outcome.

Yes, there are casinos that don't allow the use of VPN.

Be sure to read the terms and regulations of that casino before using it. It seems that it's not just about the news that was shared in the original post as there are other regulations of an online casino that can be brought by other members.

Just like the usage of vpn.

I will change that to all casinos, I know that from the point of view of the player this is bothersome but we need to put ourselves in the position of the casinos as well, there are players that for their citizenship cannot play on their casino and the only way they can verify this without forcing you to go through a KYC check is with your IP address and if you mask it then they have no way to know if you are from the same place your IP shows and when you add that many players try to use VPNs to abuse bonuses then it is very clear why casinos do not like their players to use VPN and for the most part prohibit their usage on their TOS.

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Quote from: Bezobraznike on September 08, 2020, 01:52:09 AM

Quote from: Gotumoot on September 08, 2020, 01:09:27 AM

I like their idea to limit the gambling bets for those who couldn't really afford it but couldn't also stop on gambling but the question here is it is really effective?
People would still find a way to cheat it we already see so many KYC policy that has been cheated by so many people so I think this could also be cheated too.
And if this kind of policy would be implemented then I think plenty of people would also make a business out of it making some accounts for the gamblers to buy so that they could continue to gamble.

Legal casinos can limit gambling bets, and they will do that if there is a law about it, they will respect it and follow the rules,
better that than inspection to come and close them. But there will be underground casinos, privacy casinos, they will not ask
any questions, you can spend your money and nobody will ask you about your limits, where you got money from.
Gotumoot even you say how there will be new business opportunity for people to create accounts for other people, so they
can gamble.

well, if you get such a limit, it will not give freedom to gamblers, and what is worse is that the government can find out who has a very large amount of money assets because surely gambling places that have legality will have their own records and usually records. it is deposited by the government for reporting the data as an archive.

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Quote from: Becky666 on September 04, 2020, 10:43:05 AM

Of course you can switch-on to VPN: though not advisable. This has caused so many displeased stories on this forum in which gamblers( victims) where queried for not properly read the TOS of some gambling platforms. The use of this VPN can cause frozen of account with some gambling platforms or when detected during withdrawal process funds will be seize and forfeited for violation. While use VPN, be ready for the outcome.

Of course its not fun when a gambler have baned of account because he doesnt read the sites rules carefully. I have logged in several times and gambled on sites that are blocked in my country using a VPN, its just that I didnt experience any problem because all of my bet were lost. Supposedly if the site prohibit the use of VPNs then they also dont accept any bet from the account. I believe the gamblers fault belong, as the site has stated it on the rules. Avoiding risks is the best option.

Site is not going to recognize the usage of VPNs and users are violating their laws for their benefits, still someone can use VPN safe if they are using premium version static dedicated IP proxy so you will never get caught that you are faking your server and 99% you won't get any issues with this method but it still goes against their terms so account will be banned if they found the violations.

Premium version of VPN can't holdback your reward if such gambler find luck to win huge amount from the gambling platform and request be made to know his real identity before withdrawal. Faking stuff on the internet looks good whenever you have nothing to lose, in this case, as a gambler luck can shine on you and win big.

Many of these victims( those using VPN and fortunately win big) always put services on forum service section to find someone from the region to help do KYC, sometimes they don't find and their winnings get lost.

Gambling site is not going to ask you to complete KYC for every winning bets, if they do that then no one is going to be gamble on it.They will ask for identity verification only if there is suspicious activities on the account logins but when someone is using dedicate VPN all the time then they are going to be safe with that I guess.

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Quote from: Ucy on September 08, 2020, 03:31:33 AM

They actually should be banning/preventing gambling in betting sites. There is a clear difference between Betting and Gambling. Not all bettors are gamblers and not all gamblers are bettors. Allowing this confusion to persist in the law will only continue to lead to more confusions and problems.
Understanding the difference between Gambling and Betting will obviously help them solve lots of gambling problems not just in betting sites/casino, but in other spheres of life, like foods, health, finances, education, etc

I am confused with betting and gambling. All i know is that betting is an act of gambling even if we will going to ask google dictionary clearly states that gambling is play games of chance for money; bet. When you bet you are already gambling because when you gamble it means that your money may lose or win. When you bet, you are taking risk in the hope of a desired result - google dictionary

Maybe you are talking about gamblers that gamble moderately and gamblers that are really gambling addicted.

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Quote from: Gotumoot on September 08, 2020, 01:09:27 AM

I like their idea to limit the gambling bets for those who couldn't really afford it but couldn't also stop on gambling but the question here is it is really effective?
People would still find a way to cheat it we already see so many KYC policy that has been cheated by so many people so I think this could also be cheated too.
And if this kind of policy would be implemented then I think plenty of people would also make a business out of it making some accounts for the gamblers to buy so that they could continue to gamble.

They actually should be banning/preventing gambling in betting sites. There is a clear difference between Betting and Gambling. Not all bettors are gamblers and not all gamblers are bettors. Allowing this confusion to persist in the law will only continue to lead to more confusions and problems.
Understanding the difference between Gambling and Betting will obviously help them solve lots of gambling problems not just in betting sites/casino, but in other spheres of life, like foods, health, finances, education, etc

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Quote from: Gotumoot on September 08, 2020, 01:09:27 AM

I like their idea to limit the gambling bets for those who couldn't really afford it but couldn't also stop on gambling but the question here is it is really effective?
People would still find a way to cheat it we already see so many KYC policy that has been cheated by so many people so I think this could also be cheated too.
And if this kind of policy would be implemented then I think plenty of people would also make a business out of it making some accounts for the gamblers to buy so that they could continue to gamble.

Legal casinos can limit gambling bets, and they will do that if there is a law about it, they will respect it and follow the rules,
better that than inspection to come and close them. But there will be underground casinos, privacy casinos, they will not ask
any questions, you can spend your money and nobody will ask you about your limits, where you got money from.
Gotumoot even you say how there will be new business opportunity for people to create accounts for other people, so they
can gamble.

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I like their idea to limit the gambling bets for those who couldn't really afford it but couldn't also stop on gambling but the question here is it is really effective?
People would still find a way to cheat it we already see so many KYC policy that has been cheated by so many people so I think this could also be cheated too.
And if this kind of policy would be implemented then I think plenty of people would also make a business out of it making some accounts for the gamblers to buy so that they could continue to gamble.

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Quote from: maydna on September 06, 2020, 09:39:59 PM

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Private IP may also not be able to help when bypassing locks... As wrote above, some sites may track VPN usage via special software...

No, I think it is working to bypassing the locks. Some sites don't mean all sites Wink

I don't know if they use special software to track the VPN, but I don't have a problem to gamble on the gambling sites as far as I use the VPN.

But when the regulations are applied on the online gambling sites, whether it's fiat or crypto online gambling sites, we can't do anything except follow the regulations. Perhaps, some online gambling sites don't use that regulation so that we can search for another online gambling.

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Quote from: AjithBtc on September 06, 2020, 11:31:35 AM

Agreed, by the time we need to be sure of following and sticking within the rules and regulations framed by the gambling websites itself. In that if the website allows access through VPN, then it isn't an issue. If not at times when arises issue, the support team will indicate the use of VPN as the reason and end the support ticket.

I think if we use a private VPN, the gambling site will not be a problem. But if we use a free VPN, perhaps, that could be a problem for us since many people access the same IP at the same time. But so far, I don't use a VPN to visit the gambling site because my ISP is not blocking many gambling sites, and it seems, and the ISP is okay with that.

But if there will be regulations from the government, I think that will be a problem for the gamblers because they will hard to visit on the gambling website through their real IP. So they need to use private VPN to visit on the gambling site.

Private IP may also not be able to help when bypassing locks... As wrote above, some sites may track VPN usage via special software...

Quote from: johhnyUA on September 04, 2020, 05:43:08 PM

For example, clean your cookie at first. Good VPN extensions also changing browser language and so on, but they can't to change for example system time (which is needed to do if casino using tracking not through cookies, but "browser signature") so you need to do all of that by your own hands.

And yeah, casinos often uses the best soft, so with a big probability it will be "browser signature" tracker.

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Quote from: BITCOIN4X on September 04, 2020, 11:10:05 AM

Of course its not fun when a gambler have baned of account because he doesnt read the sites rules carefully. I have logged in several times and gambled on sites that are blocked in my country using a VPN, its just that I didnt experience any problem because all of my bet were lost. Supposedly if the site prohibit the use of VPNs then they also dont accept any bet from the account. I believe the gamblers fault belong, as the site has stated it on the rules. Avoiding risks is the best option.

It makes me confuse and doubtful at the same time, because sometimes, I use VPN even if my country isn't blocked by the casino themselves. I am wondering if there's a possiblity that my accounts could be banned in this way, even if I created the account in my country with an inactive VPN, then login to another country? Perhaps, I am just fortunate to also get IP from another country where the platform is legal.

But if I am not mistaken, there are gambling sites that also detects malicious IP's (IP's who uses VPN) and they also prohibit users to use the platform, maybe it is a precautionary measure to avoid users who are abusing welcome offers.

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Quote from: AjithBtc on September 06, 2020, 11:31:35 AM

Agreed, by the time we need to be sure of following and sticking within the rules and regulations framed by the gambling websites itself. In that if the website allows access through VPN, then it isn't an issue. If not at times when arises issue, the support team will indicate the use of VPN as the reason and end the support ticket.

I think if we use a private VPN, the gambling site will not be a problem. But if we use a free VPN, perhaps, that could be a problem for us since many people access the same IP at the same time. But so far, I don't use a VPN to visit the gambling site because my ISP is not blocking many gambling sites, and it seems, and the ISP is okay with that.

But if there will be regulations from the government, I think that will be a problem for the gamblers because they will hard to visit on the gambling website through their real IP. So they need to use private VPN to visit on the gambling site.

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Quote from: freedomgo on September 06, 2020, 06:19:30 AM

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Quote from: Shasha80 on September 05, 2020, 06:32:14 PM

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Quote from: Becky666 on September 04, 2020, 10:43:05 AM

Of course you can switch-on to VPN: though not advisable. This has caused so many displeased stories on this forum in which gamblers( victims) where queried for not properly read the TOS of some gambling platforms. The use of this VPN can cause frozen of account with some gambling platforms or when detected during withdrawal process funds will be seize and forfeited for violation. While use VPN, be ready for the outcome.

Yes, there are casinos that don't allow the use of VPN.

Be sure to read the terms and regulations of that casino before using it. It seems that it's not just about the news that was shared in the original post as there are other regulations of an online casino that can be brought by other members.

Just like the usage of vpn.

Talking about using a VPN when it comes to accessing gambling platforms, I have bad experiences. It is true that not all online
gambling sites allow users to use VPN, there are some gambling sites that prohibit them. I have experienced withdrawal pending
for a long time because I access using a VPN, even I have to do KYC procedure for prove to the gambling sites that the account
belongs to me. So be careful using a VPN to access gambling sites, And make sure to read the terms and regulations of gambling
sites, are there any restrictions on using a VPN or not.

Thank you for sharing that experience of yours.

What's the casino which you have used VPN? they are very strict for users who are using VPN and they have to verify it through KYC. If someone will experience this with a casino that has strict implemention of their VPN rules.

You have no choice but to comply their KYC requirement.

VPN is not illegal, that's a way to hide our real ip address and it could give us some good security, if we can comply with the KYC since the requirement was only KYC, then I don't think a site would hold the withdrawal, unless they are a scam site.

Agreed, by the time we need to be sure of following and sticking within the rules and regulations framed by the gambling websites itself. In that if the website allows access through VPN, then it isn't an issue. If not at times when arises issue, the support team will indicate the use of VPN as the reason and end the support ticket.

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Quote from: freedomgo on September 06, 2020, 06:19:30 AM

VPN is not illegal, that's a way to hide our real ip address and it could give us some good security, if we can comply with the KYC since the requirement was only KYC, then I don't think a site would hold the withdrawal, unless they are a scam site.

It is not illegal and nobody says that it is illegal.

The hassle is, you want to hide your real ip address then the casino finds you are using a VPN then they have a VPN rule which they don't allow it.

The ending is you have to follow KYC if you have already deposited or you have pending balance for withdrawal.

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Quote from: Becky666 on September 05, 2020, 03:12:44 AM

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Many of these victims( those using VPN and fortunately win big) always put services on forum service section to find someone from the region to help do KYC, sometimes they don't find and their winnings get lost.

^ Using this VPN belongs to the most strictly prohibited in many gambling sites, they dont want their costumers to give a chance to exploit their site that possible abuse by the users, it is likely they monitored your internet used. It just a sort of your all data are encrypted to them and they know your device use upon creating the account and login session. Therefore, always read the term of condition or term of use before will start register.

I disagree.

Gambling sites doesn't have any power to know of you're using a VPN or not, even if you do, well you could use only one server to change your IP address for them not to know where you really are and who you really are. And upon the devices you use, they also do not restrict users to only use one device to gamble (in this age, who only use 1 device)

And I think using multiple devices won't do any harm on their sites, therefore what you have said is all lie.

Based on what you have said, how come gambling casinos often seize accounts in some certain jurisdiction?(those who never reads platforms TOS before getten actively involve in their service) This also include cryptocurrency exchanges too. I think when you create account with a gambling casino your logs session should be recorded, how do you outsmart them by switching to VPN when a session has be recorded?.

Multiple device can't do magic IMO; assume such a gambler win big and make withdrawal which result to KYC?. "Prevention as they said is better than cure".

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Quote from: livingfree on September 06, 2020, 05:04:31 AM

Quote from: Shasha80 on September 05, 2020, 06:32:14 PM

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Quote from: Becky666 on September 04, 2020, 10:43:05 AM

Of course you can switch-on to VPN: though not advisable. This has caused so many displeased stories on this forum in which gamblers( victims) where queried for not properly read the TOS of some gambling platforms. The use of this VPN can cause frozen of account with some gambling platforms or when detected during withdrawal process funds will be seize and forfeited for violation. While use VPN, be ready for the outcome.

Yes, there are casinos that don't allow the use of VPN.

Be sure to read the terms and regulations of that casino before using it. It seems that it's not just about the news that was shared in the original post as there are other regulations of an online casino that can be brought by other members.

Just like the usage of vpn.

Talking about using a VPN when it comes to accessing gambling platforms, I have bad experiences. It is true that not all online
gambling sites allow users to use VPN, there are some gambling sites that prohibit them. I have experienced withdrawal pending
for a long time because I access using a VPN, even I have to do KYC procedure for prove to the gambling sites that the account
belongs to me. So be careful using a VPN to access gambling sites, And make sure to read the terms and regulations of gambling
sites, are there any restrictions on using a VPN or not.

Thank you for sharing that experience of yours.

What's the casino which you have used VPN? they are very strict for users who are using VPN and they have to verify it through KYC. If someone will experience this with a casino that has strict implemention of their VPN rules.

You have no choice but to comply their KYC requirement.

VPN is not illegal, that's a way to hide our real ip address and it could give us some good security, if we can comply with the KYC since the requirement was only KYC, then I don't think a site would hold the withdrawal, unless they are a scam site.

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Quote from: Shasha80 on September 05, 2020, 06:32:14 PM

Quote from: livingfree on September 05, 2020, 04:24:37 PM

Quote from: Becky666 on September 04, 2020, 10:43:05 AM

Of course you can switch-on to VPN: though not advisable. This has caused so many displeased stories on this forum in which gamblers( victims) where queried for not properly read the TOS of some gambling platforms. The use of this VPN can cause frozen of account with some gambling platforms or when detected during withdrawal process funds will be seize and forfeited for violation. While use VPN, be ready for the outcome.

Yes, there are casinos that don't allow the use of VPN.

Be sure to read the terms and regulations of that casino before using it. It seems that it's not just about the news that was shared in the original post as there are other regulations of an online casino that can be brought by other members.

Just like the usage of vpn.

Talking about using a VPN when it comes to accessing gambling platforms, I have bad experiences. It is true that not all online
gambling sites allow users to use VPN, there are some gambling sites that prohibit them. I have experienced withdrawal pending
for a long time because I access using a VPN, even I have to do KYC procedure for prove to the gambling sites that the account
belongs to me. So be careful using a VPN to access gambling sites, And make sure to read the terms and regulations of gambling
sites, are there any restrictions on using a VPN or not.

Thank you for sharing that experience of yours.

What's the casino which you have used VPN? they are very strict for users who are using VPN and they have to verify it through KYC. If someone will experience this with a casino that has strict implemention of their VPN rules.

You have no choice but to comply their KYC requirement.

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Quote from: Shasha80 on September 05, 2020, 06:32:14 PM

Quote from: livingfree on September 05, 2020, 04:24:37 PM

Quote from: Becky666 on September 04, 2020, 10:43:05 AM

Of course you can switch-on to VPN: though not advisable. This has caused so many displeased stories on this forum in which gamblers( victims) where queried for not properly read the TOS of some gambling platforms. The use of this VPN can cause frozen of account with some gambling platforms or when detected during withdrawal process funds will be seize and forfeited for violation. While use VPN, be ready for the outcome.

Yes, there are casinos that don't allow the use of VPN.

Be sure to read the terms and regulations of that casino before using it. It seems that it's not just about the news that was shared in the original post as there are other regulations of an online casino that can be brought by other members.

Just like the usage of vpn.

Talking about using a VPN when it comes to accessing gambling platforms, I have bad experiences. It is true that not all online
gambling sites allow users to use VPN, there are some gambling sites that prohibit them. I have experienced withdrawal pending
for a long time because I access using a VPN, even I have to do KYC procedure for prove to the gambling sites that the account
belongs to me. So be careful using a VPN to access gambling sites, And make sure to read the terms and regulations of gambling
sites, are there any restrictions on using a VPN or not.

This is the most common problem when someone is using VPN. Because sometimes you will not see that kind of restrictions when you visit the site and you will only know it once withdrawal time comes. So if you will use VPN, make sure you inquire that from the gambling site as well. Better prepare for what's to come rather than lose your funds for simple mistake.

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Quote from: Becky666 on September 04, 2020, 10:43:05 AM

Of course you can switch-on to VPN: though not advisable. This has caused so many displeased stories on this forum in which gamblers( victims) where queried for not properly read the TOS of some gambling platforms. The use of this VPN can cause frozen of account with some gambling platforms or when detected during withdrawal process funds will be seize and forfeited for violation. While use VPN, be ready for the outcome.

Yes, there are casinos that don't allow the use of VPN.

Be sure to read the terms and regulations of that casino before using it. It seems that it's not just about the news that was shared in the original post as there are other regulations of an online casino that can be brought by other members.

Just like the usage of vpn.

Talking about using a VPN when it comes to accessing gambling platforms, I have bad experiences. It is true that not all online
gambling sites allow users to use VPN, there are some gambling sites that prohibit them. I have experienced withdrawal pending
for a long time because I access using a VPN, even I have to do KYC procedure for prove to the gambling sites that the account
belongs to me. So be careful using a VPN to access gambling sites, And make sure to read the terms and regulations of gambling
sites, are there any restrictions on using a VPN or not.

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Quote from: Becky666 on September 04, 2020, 10:43:05 AM

Of course you can switch-on to VPN: though not advisable. This has caused so many displeased stories on this forum in which gamblers( victims) where queried for not properly read the TOS of some gambling platforms. The use of this VPN can cause frozen of account with some gambling platforms or when detected during withdrawal process funds will be seize and forfeited for violation. While use VPN, be ready for the outcome.

Yes, there are casinos that don't allow the use of VPN.

Be sure to read the terms and regulations of that casino before using it. It seems that it's not just about the news that was shared in the original post as there are other regulations of an online casino that can be brought by other members.

Just like the usage of vpn.

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