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legendary
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June 22, 2016, 10:37:37 AM
#99
Over the years, after debating with theists on this and other forums and in person, I came to the conclusion that the religious people are not all the same.  
Depending on their intelligence, they fall into one of the following categories:

50-85 IQ - severely retarded to slightly retarded people unable to distinguish what is real and what is not
           Generally, these people do not understand the content of religious texts but they tend to remember
           and cling on some passages that had been presented and explained to them by others.
           This group is a breeding ground for extremists and terrorists.

86-110 IQ - below average to average intelligence, most likely college or university educated folks, these people understand
            that most of the religious texts cannot be interpreted literally as these are historical texts and
            should be interpreted in the context in which they were written.  They tend to compartmentalize
            their religious beliefs and their understanding of science and the world around them.
            These people would most likely never hurt others in the name of the religion, but generally applaud and
            cheer when others kill in the name of their religion.  There are some atheists in this group but not too many.

111-135 IQ - above average intelligence.  Highly educated people, some holding advanced degrees, they are masters of compartmentalization.
             Less religious than the other groups, but still believe in God the creator.  Pascal wagers are in this group.
             This is a breeding ground for atheists as they analyze the religious texts, find inconsistencies, argue
             with other religious people (often with limited success as the mental gaps are just too great).  
             You might find some hard core religious nuts in this group, but very few since it is very hard for
             these people to reconcile religion with the reality around them.  But they try despite the odds.

136+ IQ- these people are mostly atheists, most of them don't even think about God as it is not something even worth
          thinking about.  The question of religion is as clear as 2+2 or A8+F. They know there is no God, that God concept
          was invented by people to help them understand the complex world.  They see organized religions as political
          and/or business entities.

So which group do you belong to?

The easiest way for a person with an average intelligence to become an atheist is to actually read the Bible, Quran and Talmud.
I can guarantee you, some of you will become atheists after reading the Bible alone, you won't have to read Quran.  But I highly recommend you read all three.

IQ tests are designed by slick business people to sucker a certain brand of people into working for them and making them a lot of money. They do this to find the people who love money rather than God. Why? Because these are the kinds of people they need to make money.

When it comes to God and religion, all people are equal, but often the people who have been suckered into working for money have rejected the truth of God, which shows that their "truth" IQ is a lot lower.

Cool

That is a very communist thing to say. All people are definitely not equal. Some are smarter than others.

Do you want evidence?  Read posts in this thread. 

legendary
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June 22, 2016, 10:27:43 AM
#98
Over the years, after debating with theists on this and other forums and in person, I came to the conclusion that the religious people are not all the same.  
Depending on their intelligence, they fall into one of the following categories:

50-85 IQ - severely retarded to slightly retarded people unable to distinguish what is real and what is not
           Generally, these people do not understand the content of religious texts but they tend to remember
           and cling on some passages that had been presented and explained to them by others.
           This group is a breeding ground for extremists and terrorists.

86-110 IQ - below average to average intelligence, most likely college or university educated folks, these people understand
            that most of the religious texts cannot be interpreted literally as these are historical texts and
            should be interpreted in the context in which they were written.  They tend to compartmentalize
            their religious beliefs and their understanding of science and the world around them.
            These people would most likely never hurt others in the name of the religion, but generally applaud and
            cheer when others kill in the name of their religion.  There are some atheists in this group but not too many.

111-135 IQ - above average intelligence.  Highly educated people, some holding advanced degrees, they are masters of compartmentalization.
             Less religious than the other groups, but still believe in God the creator.  Pascal wagers are in this group.
             This is a breeding ground for atheists as they analyze the religious texts, find inconsistencies, argue
             with other religious people (often with limited success as the mental gaps are just too great).  
             You might find some hard core religious nuts in this group, but very few since it is very hard for
             these people to reconcile religion with the reality around them.  But they try despite the odds.

136+ IQ- these people are mostly atheists, most of them don't even think about God as it is not something even worth
          thinking about.  The question of religion is as clear as 2+2 or A8+F. They know there is no God, that God concept
          was invented by people to help them understand the complex world.  They see organized religions as political
          and/or business entities.

So which group do you belong to?

The easiest way for a person with an average intelligence to become an atheist is to actually read the Bible, Quran and Talmud.
I can guarantee you, some of you will become atheists after reading the Bible alone, you won't have to read Quran.  But I highly recommend you read all three.

IQ tests are designed by slick business people to sucker a certain brand of people into working for them and making them a lot of money. They do this to find the people who love money rather than God. Why? Because these are the kinds of people they need to make money.

When it comes to God and religion, all people are equal, but often the people who have been suckered into working for money have rejected the truth of God, which shows that their "truth" IQ is a lot lower.

Cool
newbie
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Merit: 0
June 22, 2016, 08:47:10 AM
#97
In every true searcher of Nature there is a kind of religious reverence, for he finds it impossible to imagine that he is the first to have thought out the exceedingly delicate threads that connect his perceptions
legendary
Activity: 2702
Merit: 1468
June 22, 2016, 08:28:51 AM
#96
Over the years, after debating with theists on this and other forums and in person, I came to the conclusion that the religious people are not all the same.  
Depending on their intelligence, they fall into one of the following categories:

50-85 IQ - severely retarded to slightly retarded people unable to distinguish what is real and what is not
           Generally, these people do not understand the content of religious texts but they tend to remember
           and cling on some passages that had been presented and explained to them by others.
           This group is a breeding ground for extremists and terrorists.

86-110 IQ - below average to average intelligence, most likely college or university educated folks, these people understand
            that most of the religious texts cannot be interpreted literally as these are historical texts and
            should be interpreted in the context in which they were written.  They tend to compartmentalize
            their religious beliefs and their understanding of science and the world around them.
            These people would most likely never hurt others in the name of the religion, but generally applaud and
            cheer when others kill in the name of their religion.  There are some atheists in this group but not too many.

111-135 IQ - above average intelligence.  Highly educated people, some holding advanced degrees, they are masters of compartmentalization.
             Less religious than the other groups, but still believe in God the creator.  Pascal wagers are in this group.
             This is a breeding ground for atheists as they analyze the religious texts, find inconsistencies, argue
             with other religious people (often with limited success as the mental gaps are just too great).  
             You might find some hard core religious nuts in this group, but very few since it is very hard for
             these people to reconcile religion with the reality around them.  But they try despite the odds.

136+ IQ- these people are mostly atheists, most of them don't even think about God as it is not something even worth
          thinking about.  The question of religion is as clear as 2+2 or A8+F. They know there is no God, that God concept
          was invented by people to help them understand the complex world.  They see organized religions as political
          and/or business entities.

So which group do you belong to?

The easiest way for a person with an average intelligence to become an atheist is to actually read the Bible, Quran and Talmud.
I can guarantee you, some of you will become atheists after reading the Bible alone, you won't have to read Quran.  But I highly recommend you read all three.
hero member
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Gloire à la Victoire !
June 22, 2016, 06:37:56 AM
#95
Its true that there are theist who do great things too but as what Steven Weinberg quoted "With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil — that takes religion."

It takes something like religion to get a man to strap a bomb to his chest killing 50 innocent people...

It takes something like religion to get a man to shoot 100+ people at a night club for being gay...

It takes something like religion to get a man to crash a plane full of people into a building full of people...

You refer to 9/11 ? You're funniest every day Cheesy ! That's the Americans, who killed their own people, not Al-Qaeda. The only problem I have is the bombs, because gay mass-murders has to encouraged.
hero member
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June 22, 2016, 02:38:03 AM
#94
Its true that there are theist who do great things too but as what Steven Weinberg quoted "With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil — that takes religion."

It takes something like religion to get a man to strap a bomb to his chest killing 50 innocent people...

It takes something like religion to get a man to shoot 100+ people at a night club for being gay...

It takes something like religion to get a man to crash a plane full of people into a building full of people...
legendary
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Merit: 1468
June 21, 2016, 09:44:30 AM
#94
I guess some people needs to go back to hgh school for a start over with history, physics,maths, geology or biology.
If you actually look for an area without proofs thats theology for sure. What to do with mexicans or arabic families' kids?  What you mean there is gross!  You must be kidding, jokin and havin some kind of alien fun there i guess

Go back to the basics of the scientific papers regarding how old the earth is. All these papers use words like "if and "maybe," and many other words that show that they do not know for sure how old the earth is.

As far as Mexican and Arab populations increasing faster than European and American, it is a fact. We Americans and Europeans are birth-controlling ourselves out of existence, at least with relation to Mexicans and Arabs.

Cool
Considering of your comments here if you think you are civilized  even you are american or europian, thats not true Cheesy you proved it perfectly.

Not sure what you are talking about. Perhaps you can find a better translation website. Or post it in your original language and I can try to translate it to English.

Cool

Civilized guy cant understand english.. poor you:D

Okay. I'm American. I'm civilized. And I have proven it quite well. So, what do you mean by the silly way you use English?

Cool

Once again:

1. How is it possible in your world to go from Noah and Emzara to 7 billion people in 5000 years? Considering the diversity of our current human population.
2. Who were the wives of Noah's sons? 
3. What is the energy of Earth?

Since you started talking about Chinese, here is a timeline of Chinese history:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Chinese_history

4. Not sure how Chinese could be descendants of Noah since they were there well before your Bible was written.  Care to explain?

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June 22, 2016, 01:54:55 AM
#93
Religion is actullay a very good tool to lead huge amounts of people.. smartest gun invented until now and most dangerous story told for thousands years

The problem is the current religions have done it all wrong... you cannot have things in your "holy book"... "written by god"... like slavery, homophobia, et al

Simply reading the old testament has turned many christians into atheists

Religion "could" be a good tool... if you remove all the obviously wrong parts... the hatred and bigotry, the multiple genocides, magic and miracles, etc

Religion has inspired so many horrible events in history like the crusades, inquisition, witch burnings, book burnings(science)...

and more recently, 9/11, ISIS, the Orlando night club massacre, murders of both atheists and christians by machete in Bangladesh


When will it end?!?
I have said it before and will say it again.
All religions should be shut down and declared as an ongoing criminal organisation group, most if not all have probably broken every law there is.

There is very little difference between the mafia and most religions, both stand over people with the threats.

I don't agree with you.
First, it's our freedom to choose if we will believe in God and be member of some religion or not. It's human right and you can't deny it.
Second, it's true that some religious representatives did evil things but because of this you can't blame all religious people. Many of them did great things, helping others, with medical help, food, shelter etc.
Finally, you can't say that institution by itself is evil or good. Only people can be good or bad, and we judge them based on their actions.  


Its true that there are theist who do great things too but as what Steven Weinberg quoted "With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil — that takes religion."
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June 21, 2016, 10:50:01 PM
#92

Please, no religion, ban religions, stop hatred, no wars, no fight, no races


Banning religion wouldn't change the fact that races exist.
Also I doubt it would stop the wars since most if now all current wars are lead by capitalists who couldn't care less about religion.
legendary
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June 21, 2016, 01:50:41 PM
#91
I guess some people needs to go back to hgh school for a start over with history, physics,maths, geology or biology.
If you actually look for an area without proofs thats theology for sure. What to do with mexicans or arabic families' kids?  What you mean there is gross!  You must be kidding, jokin and havin some kind of alien fun there i guess

Go back to the basics of the scientific papers regarding how old the earth is. All these papers use words like "if and "maybe," and many other words that show that they do not know for sure how old the earth is.

As far as Mexican and Arab populations increasing faster than European and American, it is a fact. We Americans and Europeans are birth-controlling ourselves out of existence, at least with relation to Mexicans and Arabs.

Cool
Considering of your comments here if you think you are civilized  even you are american or europian, thats not true Cheesy you proved it perfectly.

Not sure what you are talking about. Perhaps you can find a better translation website. Or post it in your original language and I can try to translate it to English.

Cool

Civilized guy cant understand english.. poor you:D

Okay. I'm American. I'm civilized. And I have proven it quite well. So, what do you mean by the silly way you use English?

Cool

hahahahah you should check dictionary to understand better Cheesy Cheesy
here you can read what civilize and civilized mean.
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/civilized



You need education to be civilized.
And here you can find what education means Cheesy
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/education?s=t



Well, thank you for your instructions. I realize that they are well intended.

Cool
legendary
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June 21, 2016, 12:25:57 AM
#91
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Once again: How we go from Noah and his wife to 7 billion of people, genetic variation, different races etc in 5000 years?

Please, I really would like to know, how is it possible in your world to go from Noah and Emzara to 7 billion people?  One big incest I guess?
Who were the wives of Noah's sons?

BTW, they would develop serious genetic disorders in few generations.

Define what you mean by "energy of Earth"?  I'm asking because you probably don't even know what energy is.

PS. I'm going to ignore your suggestion that Mexicans and Arabs are not civilized as it is a diversion.  


Now you are getting just plain stupid in some of this.


An example. Many Chinese people are small people. You can have a family of small Chinese people. Then, suddenly, some children are born who are literally giants. Why? It is built in, inside of their genetics.

If that wasn't enough, environment changes people in many ways.

If that wasn't enough, we can manipulate our own genetics slightly just by meditating on it. We don't have much ability to do that any longer, because of entropy weakening us. But 4000 years ago they would have still had much of that ability.


energy - http://www.dictionary.com/browse/energy?s=t
of - http://www.dictionary.com/browse/of?s=t
Earth - http://www.dictionary.com/browse/earth?s=t


Arabs and Mexicans are generally more civilized. You can tell by how well they live with big families.

Cool

You have not answered any of my questions.  Instead you are talking about "entropy weakening our ability to meditate to change our genetics", WTF?

Are you high?

Once again:

1. How is it possible in your world to go from Noah and Emzara to 7 billion people in 5000 years? Considering the diversity of our current human population.
2. Who were the wives of Noah's sons?  
3. What is the energy of Earth?

Since you started talking about Chinese, here is a timeline of Chinese history:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Chinese_history

4. Not sure how Chinese could be descendants of Noah since they were there well before your Bible was written.  Care to explain?



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June 21, 2016, 11:13:58 AM
#90
I guess some people needs to go back to hgh school for a start over with history, physics,maths, geology or biology.
If you actually look for an area without proofs thats theology for sure. What to do with mexicans or arabic families' kids?  What you mean there is gross!  You must be kidding, jokin and havin some kind of alien fun there i guess

Go back to the basics of the scientific papers regarding how old the earth is. All these papers use words like "if and "maybe," and many other words that show that they do not know for sure how old the earth is.

As far as Mexican and Arab populations increasing faster than European and American, it is a fact. We Americans and Europeans are birth-controlling ourselves out of existence, at least with relation to Mexicans and Arabs.

Cool
Considering of your comments here if you think you are civilized  even you are american or europian, thats not true Cheesy you proved it perfectly.

Not sure what you are talking about. Perhaps you can find a better translation website. Or post it in your original language and I can try to translate it to English.

Cool

Civilized guy cant understand english.. poor you:D

Okay. I'm American. I'm civilized. And I have proven it quite well. So, what do you mean by the silly way you use English?

Cool

hahahahah you should check dictionary to understand better Cheesy Cheesy
here you can read what civilize and civilized mean.
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/civilized



You need education to be civilized.
And here you can find what education means Cheesy
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/education?s=t

legendary
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June 21, 2016, 10:34:23 AM
#89
Religion is actullay a very good tool to lead huge amounts of people.. smartest gun invented until now and most dangerous story told for thousands years

The problem is the current religions have done it all wrong... you cannot have things in your "holy book"... "written by god"... like slavery, homophobia, et al

Simply reading the old testament has turned many christians into atheists

Religion "could" be a good tool... if you remove all the obviously wrong parts... the hatred and bigotry, the multiple genocides, magic and miracles, etc

Religion has inspired so many horrible events in history like the crusades, inquisition, witch burnings, book burnings(science)...

and more recently, 9/11, ISIS, the Orlando night club massacre, murders of both atheists and christians by machete in Bangladesh


When will it end?!?
I have said it before and will say it again.
All religions should be shut down and declared as an ongoing criminal organisation group, most if not all have probably broken every law there is.

There is very little difference between the mafia and most religions, both stand over people with the threats.

I don't agree with you.
First, it's our freedom to choose if we will believe in God and be member of some religion or not. It's human right and you can't deny it.
Second, it's true that some religious representatives did evil things but because of this you can't blame all religious people. Many of them did great things, helping others, with medical help, food, shelter etc.
Finally, you can't say that institution by itself is evil or good. Only people can be good or bad, and we judge them based on their actions. 
legendary
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June 21, 2016, 08:03:35 AM
#88
I guess some people needs to go back to hgh school for a start over with history, physics,maths, geology or biology.
If you actually look for an area without proofs thats theology for sure. What to do with mexicans or arabic families' kids?  What you mean there is gross!  You must be kidding, jokin and havin some kind of alien fun there i guess

Go back to the basics of the scientific papers regarding how old the earth is. All these papers use words like "if and "maybe," and many other words that show that they do not know for sure how old the earth is.

As far as Mexican and Arab populations increasing faster than European and American, it is a fact. We Americans and Europeans are birth-controlling ourselves out of existence, at least with relation to Mexicans and Arabs.

Cool
Considering of your comments here if you think you are civilized  even you are american or europian, thats not true Cheesy you proved it perfectly.

Not sure what you are talking about. Perhaps you can find a better translation website. Or post it in your original language and I can try to translate it to English.

Cool

Civilized guy cant understand english.. poor you:D

Okay. I'm American. I'm civilized. And I have proven it quite well. So, what do you mean by the silly way you use English?

Cool
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Merit: 100
June 21, 2016, 07:52:45 AM
#87
I guess some people needs to go back to hgh school for a start over with history, physics,maths, geology or biology.
If you actually look for an area without proofs thats theology for sure. What to do with mexicans or arabic families' kids?  What you mean there is gross!  You must be kidding, jokin and havin some kind of alien fun there i guess

Go back to the basics of the scientific papers regarding how old the earth is. All these papers use words like "if and "maybe," and many other words that show that they do not know for sure how old the earth is.

As far as Mexican and Arab populations increasing faster than European and American, it is a fact. We Americans and Europeans are birth-controlling ourselves out of existence, at least with relation to Mexicans and Arabs.

Cool
Considering of your comments here if you think you are civilized  even you are american or europian, thats not true Cheesy you proved it perfectly.

Not sure what you are talking about. Perhaps you can find a better translation website. Or post it in your original language and I can try to translate it to English.

Cool

Civilized guy cant understand english.. poor you:D
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June 21, 2016, 12:22:56 AM
#86
This website giving you all kinds of latest and breaking website The Global  Religion News , if you want to know hot news of the world.
legendary
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https://www.bitcoin.com/
June 20, 2016, 11:16:27 PM
#85
Religion is actullay a very good tool to lead huge amounts of people.. smartest gun invented until now and most dangerous story told for thousands years

The problem is the current religions have done it all wrong... you cannot have things in your "holy book"... "written by god"... like slavery, homophobia, et al

Simply reading the old testament has turned many christians into atheists

Religion "could" be a good tool... if you remove all the obviously wrong parts... the hatred and bigotry, the multiple genocides, magic and miracles, etc

Religion has inspired so many horrible events in history like the crusades, inquisition, witch burnings, book burnings(science)...

and more recently, 9/11, ISIS, the Orlando night club massacre, murders of both atheists and christians by machete in Bangladesh


When will it end?!?
I have said it before and will say it again.
All religions should be shut down and declared as an ongoing criminal organisation group, most if not all have probably broken every law there is.

There is very little difference between the mafia and most religions, both stand over people with the threats.
legendary
Activity: 3906
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June 20, 2016, 10:53:04 PM
#84
From http://www.truthingenesis.com/2013/01/03/carbon-dating-flaws-doesnt-carbon-dating-disprove-the-bible/:

If you find a fossil in the dirt, the amount of carbon 14 can be measured and the rate of decay can be determined. However, that is all that can be determined. It is impossible to know how much carbon 14 was in it at death and it is impossible to know if carbon 14 has always decayed at the same rate.

If the earth had a canopy of water above the atmosphere, or a canopy of ice, that would have blocked out a lot of the radiation from the sun. This would have prevented most of the carbon 14 from even forming. Animals that lived before the flood would have lived in a world with much less carbon 14 to begin with. There may have been none at all, but the amount would certainly be less than what we have today.



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legendary
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June 20, 2016, 10:42:40 PM
#83
I'm sorry, I give up with BADLogic...

I simply cannot debate with a person who has so little knowledge about every subject, yet proclaims he has every answer for everything, without ever providing a source or anything worth debating

If people cannot see him for the troll he is... satan help them

I'm done responding or quoting the poor bastard... I cannot give him any more of my attention


Welcome to ignore, enjoy your stay


Well, you have to save face somehow, I guess. This is one way to try to do it.

Cool
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June 20, 2016, 10:38:23 PM
#82
I'm sorry, I give up with BADLogic...

I simply cannot debate with a person who has so little knowledge about every subject, yet proclaims he has every answer for everything, without ever providing a source or anything worth debating

If people cannot see him for the troll he is... satan help them

I'm done responding or quoting the poor bastard... I cannot give him any more of my attention


Welcome to ignore, enjoy your stay
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