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legendary
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November 19, 2019, 06:42:33 PM

There is nothing to study.  Circumcision is bodily mutilation. Perpetuated by primitive people.


I don't know if you know but in Australia and New Zealand.
 10 to 20% of men are circumcised.
And this is not because there are 10 to 20% of jew ....  those religions are almost nonexistent.
I wouldn't call new zealander or australian primitive

And according to the same source, up to 60% of the american men are also circumcised.
I wouldn't call american primitive people

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The frequency of circumcision varies from country to country. In New Zealand and Australia the rate is approximately 10-20% of boys but as mentioned above there are significant cultural differences. Rates of circumcision, for comparison, are much higher in the USA - up to 60% -, 6% in the UK and in Europe the rate is lower at less than 2% in some countries.

source : http://www.citymed.co.nz/minor-surgeries/circumcision

And how many of them had a say in the matter? None.

People who self mutilate, or mutilate their children are primitive simpletons.

legendary
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November 18, 2019, 11:55:12 AM

This ridiculous cult is force-fed to all uneducated people who do not know which primate family they belong to.

https://i.imgur.com/SwkNgeB.jpg

But your forgot to read the rest of the way, or to get an understanding of circumcision.

Abraham was stopped by God from killing his son. But because Abraham trusted God enough to do it, he was venerated by God, and became the father of many nations and peoples... people too numerous to count.

Actually, circumcision on the eighth day is beneficial for causing the immune system of a male child to become wildly active... far stronger than any of the claims made for vaccination by any of the medical. And there is more wonderful benefit to circumcision that I won't go into here.

So you see, as usual you speak out of ignorance, and show that your ignorance is deluding you into stupidity.

Cool

That is simply another of your wild claims.

BTW, circumcision was not started by Jews.  There is physical evidence that Egyptians were practicing it well before written history.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/circumcision

What is next, bloodletting when you get sick to drain the demons out of you?


And we still can't duplicate many of the feats of the ancient Egyptians... at least not with the same kind of primitive methods that they seemed to be using.

Study eighth-day circumcision, and you will find many benefits of it. You speak out of ignorance.

Cool

Still, it does not change the fact that Abraham was a schizophrenic who almost killed his son, as the story goes.

There is nothing to study.  Circumcision is bodily mutilation. Perpetuated by primitive people.
legendary
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Merit: 1468
November 18, 2019, 11:11:27 AM

This ridiculous cult is force-fed to all uneducated people who do not know which primate family they belong to.

https://i.imgur.com/SwkNgeB.jpg

But your forgot to read the rest of the way, or to get an understanding of circumcision.

Abraham was stopped by God from killing his son. But because Abraham trusted God enough to do it, he was venerated by God, and became the father of many nations and peoples... people too numerous to count.

Actually, circumcision on the eighth day is beneficial for causing the immune system of a male child to become wildly active... far stronger than any of the claims made for vaccination by any of the medical. And there is more wonderful benefit to circumcision that I won't go into here.

So you see, as usual you speak out of ignorance, and show that your ignorance is deluding you into stupidity.

Cool

That is simply another of your wild claims.

BTW, circumcision was not started by Jews.  There is physical evidence that Egyptians were practicing it well before written history.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/circumcision

What is next, bloodletting when you get sick to drain the demons out of you?
legendary
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Merit: 1468
November 17, 2019, 11:53:33 PM

I really don't know what your point is.  The Bible will always be the ancient work of literature that it is.

There will always be book fan clubs reading it and salivating at some of the gruesome parts.

What I am saying is that in 2-3 generations more people will recognize it to be weird, ancient mythology, not much else.

If you read books from Voltaire's time, you will realize how much weight the Bible had in his time vs today.

The impact the Bible once had on society has been diminished as it continues to become irrelevant.

https://barna.imgix.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/z-01.jpg

The statistics of how many Bibles there are worldwide, way beyond any works of science, is quite impressive.

The more we delve into the nature of science, the more we praise God that He did it this way.

There have always been people who didn't want to acknowledge God. God will give them what they asked for in the Judgement... no God = Destruction, but...

The death and resurrection of Jesus was the thing that took all the sins of all people for all time. No more sin to punished for. Only gifts according to the faith of the people.

In the Resurrection, everybody will be given a glorified body similar to the Body Jesus received after He arose from the dead. Even the unbelievers will get a glorified body that cannot die.

The believers will get life-with-God that they were asking for - Heaven. The unbelievers will get life-away-from-God that they were asking for - Hell. The everlasting bodies of all of them will keep them alive forever. Even Hell's worst destructive forces will not be able to destroy the life of the unbelievers. But it will be exactly the opposite of fun... staying alive without God.

The number of printed copies does not signify much.  The impact the Bible once had on the societies around the world is waning.

That is an observable fact.  As progressive thought takes over, the biblical wisdom is vehemently rejected.

But progressive thinking without God and the Bible fails. But progressive thinking is better if it has God and the Bible. The Voltaire example shows it. History of nations shows it.

As the numbers of copies of the Bible increase, when are you going to realize that there is God-strength in the Bible? If the Bible didn't have strength, it would be done with.

Consider the holy books of religions other than Judaism and Christianity. They are few in number. Why? Because they don't have the strength of God in them. Even the science-religion books don't come near to the strength of the Bible.

Really, the only reason why solid science is as solid as it is, is because God is making it solid. The reason science theories that are against what God says wind up being foolishness, is because they are against what God says.

There have always been people who have rejected God and the Bible. Most of these are dead. But the Bible and God and the people of God live forever.

This ridiculous cult is force-fed to all uneducated people who do not know which primate family they belong to.

legendary
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November 17, 2019, 06:57:53 PM

I really don't know what your point is.  The Bible will always be the ancient work of literature that it is.

There will always be book fan clubs reading it and salivating at some of the gruesome parts.

What I am saying is that in 2-3 generations more people will recognize it to be weird, ancient mythology, not much else.

If you read books from Voltaire's time, you will realize how much weight the Bible had in his time vs today.

The impact the Bible once had on society has been diminished as it continues to become irrelevant.

https://barna.imgix.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/z-01.jpg

The statistics of how many Bibles there are worldwide, way beyond any works of science, is quite impressive.

The more we delve into the nature of science, the more we praise God that He did it this way.

There have always been people who didn't want to acknowledge God. God will give them what they asked for in the Judgement... no God = Destruction, but...

The death and resurrection of Jesus was the thing that took all the sins of all people for all time. No more sin to punished for. Only gifts according to the faith of the people.

In the Resurrection, everybody will be given a glorified body similar to the Body Jesus received after He arose from the dead. Even the unbelievers will get a glorified body that cannot die.

The believers will get life-with-God that they were asking for - Heaven. The unbelievers will get life-away-from-God that they were asking for - Hell. The everlasting bodies of all of them will keep them alive forever. Even Hell's worst destructive forces will not be able to destroy the life of the unbelievers. But it will be exactly the opposite of fun... staying alive without God.

The number of printed copies does not signify much.  The impact the Bible once had on the societies around the world is waning.

That is an observable fact.  As progressive thought takes over, the biblical wisdom is vehemently rejected.
legendary
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Merit: 1468
November 17, 2019, 08:55:00 AM

Scientists are challenged all the time. What do you think a change in their scientific theory is? Have you forgotten that the only fact in a science theory is that it is a theory? The object of the theory isn't a fact. If it were, the theory wouldn't be a theory.

The only reason you understand that you know facts rather than having faith in them, is because I have mentioned it over and over in this forum.

Cool

You have said a lot of nonsense on this forum.  Keep them coming.

If all religious blokes are like you, religions will disappear in 2-3 generations.

LOL!

The Bible is the most despised, derided, denied, disputed, dissected, and debated book in all of history. This Bible has been under attack for centuries, for everything you can imagine.

Yet the Bible is still the most read, most published, and most translated book in the world. And, most importantly, it’s still changing the lives of those who apply what it teaches.

...

Voltaire, the famous French philosopher, was a brilliant atheist. He wrote a number of tracts deriding the Bible. He once made a very bold statement: “One hundred years from today the Bible will be a forgotten book.”

Today, everyone has forgotten that quote — not the Bible! After Voltaire died, for nearly 100 years, his homestead was used as the book depository for the French Bible Society. They sold Bibles out of his house! It’s now a museum. People have forgotten Voltaire. Nobody forgets the Bible.


Cool

Illiad and Odyssey are still around.  Your point is?


I KNEW you would come around to acknowledging religion sooner or later.

Cool

I really don't know what your point is.  The Bible will always be the ancient work of literature that it is.

There will always be book fan clubs reading it and salivating at some of the gruesome parts.

What I am saying is that in 2-3 generations more people will recognize it to be weird, ancient mythology, not much else.

If you read books from Voltaire's time, you will realize how much weight the Bible had in his time vs today.

The impact the Bible once had on society has been diminished as it continues to become irrelevant.

legendary
Activity: 2702
Merit: 1468
November 16, 2019, 04:49:41 PM

Scientists are challenged all the time. What do you think a change in their scientific theory is? Have you forgotten that the only fact in a science theory is that it is a theory? The object of the theory isn't a fact. If it were, the theory wouldn't be a theory.

The only reason you understand that you know facts rather than having faith in them, is because I have mentioned it over and over in this forum.

Cool

You have said a lot of nonsense on this forum.  Keep them coming.

If all religious blokes are like you, religions will disappear in 2-3 generations.

LOL!

The Bible is the most despised, derided, denied, disputed, dissected, and debated book in all of history. This Bible has been under attack for centuries, for everything you can imagine.

Yet the Bible is still the most read, most published, and most translated book in the world. And, most importantly, it’s still changing the lives of those who apply what it teaches.

...

Voltaire, the famous French philosopher, was a brilliant atheist. He wrote a number of tracts deriding the Bible. He once made a very bold statement: “One hundred years from today the Bible will be a forgotten book.”

Today, everyone has forgotten that quote — not the Bible! After Voltaire died, for nearly 100 years, his homestead was used as the book depository for the French Bible Society. They sold Bibles out of his house! It’s now a museum. People have forgotten Voltaire. Nobody forgets the Bible.


Cool

Illiad and Odyssey are still around.  Your point is?
legendary
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November 16, 2019, 04:28:35 PM

Your faith is in the other scientists. However, if you have faith that a 3' stick will remain 3' wherever in the world you measure it, you are having faith in God that He is holding physics in place. So, your faith isn't in the facts. It is in God that He will maintain the facts as facts.

We are finding that standard vaccines are producing more of the disease that they are supposed to be inoculating against. check all the posts in the vaccine threads to find the links to the evidence and proof. So, I guess being inoculated to science means that I have more of it.

Cool

You cannot have faith in facts.  You have faith when you don't have facts.

I trust scientists to produce objective results.  Why? Because their results can be verified.  No scientist can put out bullshit and not be challenged.

I don't get it that this simple concept is so hard for you to understand.


Scientists are challenged all the time. What do you think a change in their scientific theory is? Have you forgotten that the only fact in a science theory is that it is a theory? The object of the theory isn't a fact. If it were, the theory wouldn't be a theory.

The only reason you understand that you know facts rather than having faith in them, is because I have mentioned it over and over in this forum.

Cool

You have said a lot of nonsense on this forum.  Keep them coming.

If all religious blokes are like you, religions will disappear in 2-3 generations.
legendary
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November 16, 2019, 03:56:15 PM

My point exactly! You have faith in scientists and the media, that what they tell you is the truth, and that they discovered the truth by scientific methods. Do you have proof that they are telling you the truth? Did you watch them do their scientific methods. If you only read about it in their white papers, did you really understand what you were reading? If you understood it, did you do the tests to make sure that they were right? Or did you just believe it out of faith?

The Bible has all kinds of morality written into it. And it has punishment written in, for those who don't keep the morality. And it is the record of what happened to those who didn't keep the morality and what happened to those who did. And it shows how God both punishes those who disobey, and rewards those who obey, and how those who are repentant find Jesus-salvation.

The point is, people have faith all over the place in this life. Nothing that anyone does is ever done without at least a little bit of faith.

God is shown to exist in the machinery of the universe. Machines have makers. The highest and best morality is to honor and respect God since we have been made by Him. Since we live by faith, we have religion. The religion of honoring God is the best morality that we can have.

So, have you done all the experiments that you believe in? Or are you only trusting that others aren't lying to you? Be moral and tell us the truth, now.

Cool

If you use the same measuring tape (scientific method) it does not matter where in the world you measure a 3' stick, it will still be 3' in length, regardless of where the measurement was taken.

I have conducted many Physics, Biology and Chemistry experiments by myself in my schooling.  Did I verify experimentally every single scientific theory or law?  Of course not, I do not need to.  I can look at the results the scientists produced and I rely on the verification by other scientists.  At no point, I have faith in any scientific results.  That is the point of science, you don't need faith when you have facts.

But you would know this because you were inoculated to science early on in your homeschooling if you have any schooling at all.

Your faith is in the other scientists. However, if you have faith that a 3' stick will remain 3' wherever in the world you measure it, you are having faith in God that He is holding physics in place. So, your faith isn't in the facts. It is in God that He will maintain the facts as facts.

We are finding that standard vaccines are producing more of the disease that they are supposed to be inoculating against. check all the posts in the vaccine threads to find the links to the evidence and proof. So, I guess being inoculated to science means that I have more of it.

Cool

You cannot have faith in facts.  You have faith when you don't have facts.

I trust scientists to produce objective results.  Why? Because their results can be verified.  No scientist can put out bullshit and not be challenged.

I don't get it that this simple concept is so hard for you to understand.
legendary
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November 16, 2019, 12:43:15 PM

You talk so silly. The science religion you adore is finding new stuff all the time. Most of the formal religions have found some of the basics already. Science often tries to ignore the basics because it isn't smart enough to see that religion has it right.

Cool

All your nonsensical posts stem from the fact that you don't know what science is.

So said^^ by the science-religion guy who doesn't even realize that atheism is only his religion.

     Cool

The scientific method will always be better than faith in discovering the truth.  You would not know it because you do not understand what science is and how science operates.

It is not the label that matters, what epistemic tools it provides is far more important.


My point exactly! You have faith in scientists and the media, that what they tell you is the truth, and that they discovered the truth by scientific methods. Do you have proof that they are telling you the truth? Did you watch them do their scientific methods. If you only read about it in their white papers, did you really understand what you were reading? If you understood it, did you do the tests to make sure that they were right? Or did you just believe it out of faith?

The Bible has all kinds of morality written into it. And it has punishment written in, for those who don't keep the morality. And it is the record of what happened to those who didn't keep the morality and what happened to those who did. And it shows how God both punishes those who disobey, and rewards those who obey, and how those who are repentant find Jesus-salvation.

The point is, people have faith all over the place in this life. Nothing that anyone does is ever done without at least a little bit of faith.

God is shown to exist in the machinery of the universe. Machines have makers. The highest and best morality is to honor and respect God since we have been made by Him. Since we live by faith, we have religion. The religion of honoring God is the best morality that we can have.

So, have you done all the experiments that you believe in? Or are you only trusting that others aren't lying to you? Be moral and tell us the truth, now.

Cool

If you use the same measuring tape (scientific method) it does not matter where in the world you measure a 3' stick, it will still be 3' in length, regardless of where the measurement was taken.

I have conducted many Physics, Biology and Chemistry experiments by myself in my schooling.  Did I verify experimentally every single scientific theory or law?  Of course not, I do not need to.  I can look at the results the scientists produced and I rely on the verification by other scientists.  At no point, I have faith in any scientific results.  That is the point of science, you don't need faith when you have facts.

But you would know this because you were inoculated to science early on in your homeschooling if you have any schooling at all.
legendary
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November 16, 2019, 11:56:05 AM

You talk so silly. The science religion you adore is finding new stuff all the time. Most of the formal religions have found some of the basics already. Science often tries to ignore the basics because it isn't smart enough to see that religion has it right.

Cool

All your nonsensical posts stem from the fact that you don't know what science is.

So said^^ by the science-religion guy who doesn't even realize that atheism is only his religion.

     Cool

The scientific method will always be better than faith in discovering the truth.  You would not know it because you do not understand what science is and how science operates.

It is not the label that matters, what epistemic tools it provides is far more important.
legendary
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November 15, 2019, 06:52:12 PM

People are religious beings. Our religion is our attempt to work with the future, a thing that we know imperfectly, and that we really don't know anything about.

If we didn't have the idea religion built right into us, we would operate our lives in fear of the unknown. The orderliness of aspects of the universe gives us hope that things will work out well for us. If we have no other religion, then this is our religion. Often we want more than something as simple as orderliness.

Cool

I think that all religions have been created due to the fact that people are afraid of dead.
Believing in something makes us think that there is another world on the "other side" and our relatives are waiting with our God.
There is not any scientific proof what happens after death.

There isn't any proof, scientific or otherwise, that science will always be able to even touch everything... to say nothing about proving it.

The evidence for this is that science hasn't been able to readily find or conduct experiments on the soul. But we are getting closer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xeh001ptDgo.

Cool

When was last time religion found any evidence of anything?  
At least with science, you can see its usefulness.  Progress is made, the quality of our lives is improved.

Why do we even have religions?  What are they good for?

PS. Harry Potter books are not evidence of Harry Potter's existence.

You talk so silly. The science religion you adore is finding new stuff all the time. Most of the formal religions have found some of the basics already. Science often tries to ignore the basics because it isn't smart enough to see that religion has it right.

Cool

All your nonsensical posts stem from the fact that you don't know what science is.
legendary
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November 15, 2019, 07:52:10 AM

People are religious beings. Our religion is our attempt to work with the future, a thing that we know imperfectly, and that we really don't know anything about.

If we didn't have the idea religion built right into us, we would operate our lives in fear of the unknown. The orderliness of aspects of the universe gives us hope that things will work out well for us. If we have no other religion, then this is our religion. Often we want more than something as simple as orderliness.

Cool

I think that all religions have been created due to the fact that people are afraid of dead.
Believing in something makes us think that there is another world on the "other side" and our relatives are waiting with our God.
There is not any scientific proof what happens after death.

There isn't any proof, scientific or otherwise, that science will always be able to even touch everything... to say nothing about proving it.

The evidence for this is that science hasn't been able to readily find or conduct experiments on the soul. But we are getting closer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xeh001ptDgo.

Cool

When was last time religion found any evidence of anything?  
At least with science, you can see its usefulness.  Progress is made, the quality of our lives is improved.

Why do we even have religions?  What are they good for?

PS. Harry Potter books are not evidence of Harry Potter's existence.
legendary
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legendary
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C.D.P.E.M
November 19, 2019, 07:20:03 PM

There is nothing to study.  Circumcision is bodily mutilation. Perpetuated by primitive people.


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source : http://www.citymed.co.nz/minor-surgeries/circumcision

And how many of them had a say in the matter? None.

People who self mutilate, or mutilate their children are primitive simpletons.



you clearly didn't check the source.

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The main reasons that I have encountered for circumcision in New Zealand are:
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TEENAGERS
Cultural reasons, particularly in the Polynesians, Phillipinos, Fijians


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REASONS FOR CIRCUMCISION:
Cultural Reasons

Some cultures strongly believe in circumcision, and circumcision is an integral part of their culture. Notably the Pacific Islanders in New Zealand have an almost 100% circumcision rate. The Pacific Islanders traditionally choose to have circumcision performed in late childhood or early puberty as a rite of passage to manhood.


 I guess you can argue that even as a teenagers they don't really have a choice if they don't want to be seen as un-manly dude.

This is slightly off topic.
legendary
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C.D.P.E.M
November 19, 2019, 06:13:18 PM

There is nothing to study.  Circumcision is bodily mutilation. Perpetuated by primitive people.


I don't know if you know but in Australia and New Zealand.
 10 to 20% of men are circumcised.
And this is not because there are 10 to 20% of jew ....  those religions are almost nonexistent.
I wouldn't call new zealander or australian primitive

And according to the same source, up to 60% of the american men are also circumcised.
I wouldn't call american primitive people

Quote
The frequency of circumcision varies from country to country. In New Zealand and Australia the rate is approximately 10-20% of boys but as mentioned above there are significant cultural differences. Rates of circumcision, for comparison, are much higher in the USA - up to 60% -, 6% in the UK and in Europe the rate is lower at less than 2% in some countries.

source : http://www.citymed.co.nz/minor-surgeries/circumcision



legendary
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November 19, 2019, 12:52:44 PM
^^^ Basic human DNA programming shows that human morals are based on "love your neighbor as yourself." Such is beneficial for all people.
Humans have lived in social groups for a very long time. Altruism evolves through natural selection. Think about it. A proto-human in a forest spots a predator. He has time to warn one of his colleagues. Does he warn the one who is always kind to him, or does he warn the selfish shit who no-one likes? Who dies, who survives to parent the next generation?

I'm simplifying of course, but this is a valid behaviour.

Altruism devolves. All you need to do is look at how the politicians are leaching off the people. Read this to see it plainly - http://stopthepirates.blogspot.com/.

Cool
sr. member
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November 19, 2019, 12:13:59 AM
^^^ Basic human DNA programming shows that human morals are based on "love your neighbor as yourself." Such is beneficial for all people.
Humans have lived in social groups for a very long time. Altruism evolves through natural selection. Think about it. A proto-human in a forest spots a predator. He has time to warn one of his colleagues. Does he warn the one who is always kind to him, or does he warn the selfish shit who no-one likes? Who dies, who survives to parent the next generation?

I'm simplifying of course, but this is a valid behaviour.
legendary
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November 18, 2019, 08:03:54 PM
^^^ Basic human DNA programming shows that human morals are based on "love your neighbor as yourself." Such is beneficial for all people.

Cool
legendary
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November 18, 2019, 06:21:35 PM

And we still can't duplicate many of the feats of the ancient Egyptians... at least not with the same kind of primitive methods that they seemed to be using.

Study eighth-day circumcision, and you will find many benefits of it. You speak out of ignorance.

Cool

Still, it does not change the fact that Abraham was a schizophrenic who almost killed his son, as the story goes.

There is nothing to study.  Circumcision is bodily mutilation. Perpetuated by primitive people.


I should be thanking you for proving how dumb you are. But I won't, because you are so pitiable.

But, I suppose I should be glad that you at least have religion and morality... well, the religion part, anyway.

Cool
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