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Quote from: af_newbie on November 19, 2019, 06:42:33 PM

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Quote from: af_newbie on November 18, 2019, 11:55:12 AM

There is nothing to study. Circumcision is bodily mutilation. Perpetuated by primitive people.

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source : http://www.citymed.co.nz/minor-surgeries/circumcision

And how many of them had a say in the matter? None.

People who self mutilate, or mutilate their children are primitive simpletons.

you clearly didn't check the source.

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The main reasons that I have encountered for circumcision in New Zealand are:
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TEENAGERS
Cultural reasons, particularly in the Polynesians, Phillipinos, Fijians

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REASONS FOR CIRCUMCISION:
Cultural Reasons

Some cultures strongly believe in circumcision, and circumcision is an integral part of their culture. Notably the Pacific Islanders in New Zealand have an almost 100% circumcision rate. The Pacific Islanders traditionally choose to have circumcision performed in late childhood or early puberty as a rite of passage to manhood.

I guess you can argue that even as a teenagers they don't really have a choice if they don't want to be seen as un-manly dude.

This is slightly off topic.

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Quote from: guigui371 on November 19, 2019, 06:13:18 PM

Quote from: af_newbie on November 18, 2019, 11:55:12 AM

There is nothing to study. Circumcision is bodily mutilation. Perpetuated by primitive people.

I don't know if you know but in Australia and New Zealand.
10 to 20% of men are circumcised.
And this is not because there are 10 to 20% of jew .... those religions are almost nonexistent.
I wouldn't call new zealander or australian primitive

And according to the same source, up to 60% of the american men are also circumcised.
I wouldn't call american primitive people

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The frequency of circumcision varies from country to country. In New Zealand and Australia the rate is approximately 10-20% of boys but as mentioned above there are significant cultural differences. Rates of circumcision, for comparison, are much higher in the USA - up to 60% -, 6% in the UK and in Europe the rate is lower at less than 2% in some countries.

source : http://www.citymed.co.nz/minor-surgeries/circumcision

And how many of them had a say in the matter? None.

People who self mutilate, or mutilate their children are primitive simpletons.

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Quote from: af_newbie on November 18, 2019, 11:55:12 AM

There is nothing to study. Circumcision is bodily mutilation. Perpetuated by primitive people.

I don't know if you know but in Australia and New Zealand.
10 to 20% of men are circumcised.
And this is not because there are 10 to 20% of jew .... those religions are almost nonexistent.
I wouldn't call new zealander or australian primitive

And according to the same source, up to 60% of the american men are also circumcised.
I wouldn't call american primitive people

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The frequency of circumcision varies from country to country. In New Zealand and Australia the rate is approximately 10-20% of boys but as mentioned above there are significant cultural differences. Rates of circumcision, for comparison, are much higher in the USA - up to 60% -, 6% in the UK and in Europe the rate is lower at less than 2% in some countries.

source : http://www.citymed.co.nz/minor-surgeries/circumcision

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Quote from: styca on November 19, 2019, 12:13:59 AM

Quote from: BADecker on November 18, 2019, 08:03:54 PM

^^^ Basic human DNA programming shows that human morals are based on "love your neighbor as yourself." Such is beneficial for all people.

Humans have lived in social groups for a very long time. Altruism evolves through natural selection. Think about it. A proto-human in a forest spots a predator. He has time to warn one of his colleagues. Does he warn the one who is always kind to him, or does he warn the selfish shit who no-one likes? Who dies, who survives to parent the next generation?

I'm simplifying of course, but this is a valid behaviour.

Altruism devolves. All you need to do is look at how the politicians are leaching off the people. Read this to see it plainly - http://stopthepirates.blogspot.com/.

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Quote from: BADecker on November 18, 2019, 08:03:54 PM

^^^ Basic human DNA programming shows that human morals are based on "love your neighbor as yourself." Such is beneficial for all people.

Humans have lived in social groups for a very long time. Altruism evolves through natural selection. Think about it. A proto-human in a forest spots a predator. He has time to warn one of his colleagues. Does he warn the one who is always kind to him, or does he warn the selfish shit who no-one likes? Who dies, who survives to parent the next generation?

I'm simplifying of course, but this is a valid behaviour.

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^^^ Basic human DNA programming shows that human morals are based on "love your neighbor as yourself." Such is beneficial for all people.

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Quote from: af_newbie on November 18, 2019, 11:55:12 AM

Quote from: BADecker on November 18, 2019, 11:29:15 AM

And we still can't duplicate many of the feats of the ancient Egyptians... at least not with the same kind of primitive methods that they seemed to be using.

Study eighth-day circumcision, and you will find many benefits of it. You speak out of ignorance.

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Still, it does not change the fact that Abraham was a schizophrenic who almost killed his son, as the story goes.

There is nothing to study. Circumcision is bodily mutilation. Perpetuated by primitive people.

I should be thanking you for proving how dumb you are. But I won't, because you are so pitiable.

But, I suppose I should be glad that you at least have religion and morality... well, the religion part, anyway.

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Quote from: BADecker on November 18, 2019, 11:29:15 AM

Quote from: af_newbie on November 18, 2019, 11:11:27 AM

Quote from: BADecker on November 18, 2019, 10:36:44 AM

Quote from: af_newbie on November 17, 2019, 11:53:33 PM

This ridiculous cult is force-fed to all uneducated people who do not know which primate family they belong to.

https://i.imgur.com/SwkNgeB.jpg

But your forgot to read the rest of the way, or to get an understanding of circumcision.

Abraham was stopped by God from killing his son. But because Abraham trusted God enough to do it, he was venerated by God, and became the father of many nations and peoples... people too numerous to count.

Actually, circumcision on the eighth day is beneficial for causing the immune system of a male child to become wildly active... far stronger than any of the claims made for vaccination by any of the medical. And there is more wonderful benefit to circumcision that I won't go into here.

So you see, as usual you speak out of ignorance, and show that your ignorance is deluding you into stupidity.

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That is simply another of your wild claims.

BTW, circumcision was not started by Jews. There is physical evidence that Egyptians were practicing it well before written history.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/circumcision

What is next, bloodletting when you get sick to drain the demons out of you?

And we still can't duplicate many of the feats of the ancient Egyptians... at least not with the same kind of primitive methods that they seemed to be using.

Study eighth-day circumcision, and you will find many benefits of it. You speak out of ignorance.

Cool

Still, it does not change the fact that Abraham was a schizophrenic who almost killed his son, as the story goes.

There is nothing to study. Circumcision is bodily mutilation. Perpetuated by primitive people.

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Quote from: af_newbie on November 18, 2019, 11:11:27 AM

Quote from: BADecker on November 18, 2019, 10:36:44 AM

Quote from: af_newbie on November 17, 2019, 11:53:33 PM

This ridiculous cult is force-fed to all uneducated people who do not know which primate family they belong to.

https://i.imgur.com/SwkNgeB.jpg

But your forgot to read the rest of the way, or to get an understanding of circumcision.

Abraham was stopped by God from killing his son. But because Abraham trusted God enough to do it, he was venerated by God, and became the father of many nations and peoples... people too numerous to count.

Actually, circumcision on the eighth day is beneficial for causing the immune system of a male child to become wildly active... far stronger than any of the claims made for vaccination by any of the medical. And there is more wonderful benefit to circumcision that I won't go into here.

So you see, as usual you speak out of ignorance, and show that your ignorance is deluding you into stupidity.

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That is simply another of your wild claims.

BTW, circumcision was not started by Jews. There is physical evidence that Egyptians were practicing it well before written history.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/circumcision

What is next, bloodletting when you get sick to drain the demons out of you?

And we still can't duplicate many of the feats of the ancient Egyptians... at least not with the same kind of primitive methods that they seemed to be using.

Study eighth-day circumcision, and you will find many benefits of it. You speak out of ignorance.

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Quote from: BADecker on November 18, 2019, 10:36:44 AM

Quote from: af_newbie on November 17, 2019, 11:53:33 PM

This ridiculous cult is force-fed to all uneducated people who do not know which primate family they belong to.

https://i.imgur.com/SwkNgeB.jpg

But your forgot to read the rest of the way, or to get an understanding of circumcision.

Abraham was stopped by God from killing his son. But because Abraham trusted God enough to do it, he was venerated by God, and became the father of many nations and peoples... people too numerous to count.

Actually, circumcision on the eighth day is beneficial for causing the immune system of a male child to become wildly active... far stronger than any of the claims made for vaccination by any of the medical. And there is more wonderful benefit to circumcision that I won't go into here.

So you see, as usual you speak out of ignorance, and show that your ignorance is deluding you into stupidity.

Cool

That is simply another of your wild claims.

BTW, circumcision was not started by Jews. There is physical evidence that Egyptians were practicing it well before written history.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/circumcision

What is next, bloodletting when you get sick to drain the demons out of you?

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Quote from: af_newbie on November 17, 2019, 11:53:33 PM

This ridiculous cult is force-fed to all uneducated people who do not know which primate family they belong to.

https://i.imgur.com/SwkNgeB.jpg

But your forgot to read the rest of the way, or to get an understanding of circumcision.

Abraham was stopped by God from killing his son. But because Abraham trusted God enough to do it, he was venerated by God, and became the father of many nations and peoples... people too numerous to count.

Actually, circumcision on the eighth day is beneficial for causing the immune system of a male child to become wildly active... far stronger than any of the claims made for vaccination by any of the medical. And there is more wonderful benefit to circumcision that I won't go into here.

So you see, as usual you speak out of ignorance, and show that your ignorance is deluding you into stupidity.

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Quote from: BADecker on November 17, 2019, 07:29:19 PM

Quote from: af_newbie on November 17, 2019, 06:57:53 PM

Quote from: BADecker on November 17, 2019, 06:10:55 PM

Quote from: af_newbie on November 17, 2019, 08:55:00 AM

I really don't know what your point is. The Bible will always be the ancient work of literature that it is.

There will always be book fan clubs reading it and salivating at some of the gruesome parts.

What I am saying is that in 2-3 generations more people will recognize it to be weird, ancient mythology, not much else.

If you read books from Voltaire's time, you will realize how much weight the Bible had in his time vs today.

The impact the Bible once had on society has been diminished as it continues to become irrelevant.

https://barna.imgix.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/z-01.jpg

The statistics of how many Bibles there are worldwide, way beyond any works of science, is quite impressive.

The more we delve into the nature of science, the more we praise God that He did it this way.

There have always been people who didn't want to acknowledge God. God will give them what they asked for in the Judgement... no God = Destruction, but...

The death and resurrection of Jesus was the thing that took all the sins of all people for all time. No more sin to punished for. Only gifts according to the faith of the people.

In the Resurrection, everybody will be given a glorified body similar to the Body Jesus received after He arose from the dead. Even the unbelievers will get a glorified body that cannot die.

The believers will get life-with-God that they were asking for - Heaven. The unbelievers will get life-away-from-God that they were asking for - Hell. The everlasting bodies of all of them will keep them alive forever. Even Hell's worst destructive forces will not be able to destroy the life of the unbelievers. But it will be exactly the opposite of fun... staying alive without God.

The number of printed copies does not signify much. The impact the Bible once had on the societies around the world is waning.

That is an observable fact. As progressive thought takes over, the biblical wisdom is vehemently rejected.

But progressive thinking without God and the Bible fails. But progressive thinking is better if it has God and the Bible. The Voltaire example shows it. History of nations shows it.

As the numbers of copies of the Bible increase, when are you going to realize that there is God-strength in the Bible? If the Bible didn't have strength, it would be done with.

Consider the holy books of religions other than Judaism and Christianity. They are few in number. Why? Because they don't have the strength of God in them. Even the science-religion books don't come near to the strength of the Bible.

Really, the only reason why solid science is as solid as it is, is because God is making it solid. The reason science theories that are against what God says wind up being foolishness, is because they are against what God says.

There have always been people who have rejected God and the Bible. Most of these are dead. But the Bible and God and the people of God live forever.

This ridiculous cult is force-fed to all uneducated people who do not know which primate family they belong to.

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Quote from: af_newbie on November 17, 2019, 06:57:53 PM

Quote from: BADecker on November 17, 2019, 06:10:55 PM

Quote from: af_newbie on November 17, 2019, 08:55:00 AM

I really don't know what your point is. The Bible will always be the ancient work of literature that it is.

There will always be book fan clubs reading it and salivating at some of the gruesome parts.

What I am saying is that in 2-3 generations more people will recognize it to be weird, ancient mythology, not much else.

If you read books from Voltaire's time, you will realize how much weight the Bible had in his time vs today.

The impact the Bible once had on society has been diminished as it continues to become irrelevant.

https://barna.imgix.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/z-01.jpg

The statistics of how many Bibles there are worldwide, way beyond any works of science, is quite impressive.

The more we delve into the nature of science, the more we praise God that He did it this way.

There have always been people who didn't want to acknowledge God. God will give them what they asked for in the Judgement... no God = Destruction, but...

The death and resurrection of Jesus was the thing that took all the sins of all people for all time. No more sin to punished for. Only gifts according to the faith of the people.

In the Resurrection, everybody will be given a glorified body similar to the Body Jesus received after He arose from the dead. Even the unbelievers will get a glorified body that cannot die.

The believers will get life-with-God that they were asking for - Heaven. The unbelievers will get life-away-from-God that they were asking for - Hell. The everlasting bodies of all of them will keep them alive forever. Even Hell's worst destructive forces will not be able to destroy the life of the unbelievers. But it will be exactly the opposite of fun... staying alive without God.

The number of printed copies does not signify much. The impact the Bible once had on the societies around the world is waning.

That is an observable fact. As progressive thought takes over, the biblical wisdom is vehemently rejected.

But progressive thinking without God and the Bible fails. But progressive thinking is better if it has God and the Bible. The Voltaire example shows it. History of nations shows it.

As the numbers of copies of the Bible increase, when are you going to realize that there is God-strength in the Bible? If the Bible didn't have strength, it would be done with.

Consider the holy books of religions other than Judaism and Christianity. They are few in number. Why? Because they don't have the strength of God in them. Even the science-religion books don't come near to the strength of the Bible.

Really, the only reason why solid science is as solid as it is, is because God is making it solid. The reason science theories that are against what God says wind up being foolishness, is because they are against what God says.

There have always been people who have rejected God and the Bible. Most of these are dead. But the Bible and God and the people of God live forever.

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Quote from: BADecker on November 17, 2019, 06:10:55 PM

Quote from: af_newbie on November 17, 2019, 08:55:00 AM

I really don't know what your point is. The Bible will always be the ancient work of literature that it is.

There will always be book fan clubs reading it and salivating at some of the gruesome parts.

What I am saying is that in 2-3 generations more people will recognize it to be weird, ancient mythology, not much else.

If you read books from Voltaire's time, you will realize how much weight the Bible had in his time vs today.

The impact the Bible once had on society has been diminished as it continues to become irrelevant.

https://barna.imgix.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/z-01.jpg

The statistics of how many Bibles there are worldwide, way beyond any works of science, is quite impressive.

The more we delve into the nature of science, the more we praise God that He did it this way.

There have always been people who didn't want to acknowledge God. God will give them what they asked for in the Judgement... no God = Destruction, but...

The death and resurrection of Jesus was the thing that took all the sins of all people for all time. No more sin to punished for. Only gifts according to the faith of the people.

In the Resurrection, everybody will be given a glorified body similar to the Body Jesus received after He arose from the dead. Even the unbelievers will get a glorified body that cannot die.

The believers will get life-with-God that they were asking for - Heaven. The unbelievers will get life-away-from-God that they were asking for - Hell. The everlasting bodies of all of them will keep them alive forever. Even Hell's worst destructive forces will not be able to destroy the life of the unbelievers. But it will be exactly the opposite of fun... staying alive without God.

The number of printed copies does not signify much. The impact the Bible once had on the societies around the world is waning.

That is an observable fact. As progressive thought takes over, the biblical wisdom is vehemently rejected.

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Quote from: af_newbie on November 17, 2019, 08:55:00 AM

I really don't know what your point is. The Bible will always be the ancient work of literature that it is.

There will always be book fan clubs reading it and salivating at some of the gruesome parts.

What I am saying is that in 2-3 generations more people will recognize it to be weird, ancient mythology, not much else.

If you read books from Voltaire's time, you will realize how much weight the Bible had in his time vs today.

The impact the Bible once had on society has been diminished as it continues to become irrelevant.

https://barna.imgix.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/z-01.jpg

The statistics of how many Bibles there are worldwide, way beyond any works of science, is quite impressive.

The more we delve into the nature of science, the more we praise God that He did it this way.

There have always been people who didn't want to acknowledge God. God will give them what they asked for in the Judgement... no God = Destruction, but...

The death and resurrection of Jesus was the thing that took all the sins of all people for all time. No more sin to punished for. Only gifts according to the faith of the people.

In the Resurrection, everybody will be given a glorified body similar to the Body Jesus received after He arose from the dead. Even the unbelievers will get a glorified body that cannot die.

The believers will get life-with-God that they were asking for - Heaven. The unbelievers will get life-away-from-God that they were asking for - Hell. The everlasting bodies of all of them will keep them alive forever. Even Hell's worst destructive forces will not be able to destroy the life of the unbelievers. But it will be exactly the opposite of fun... staying alive without God.

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Quote from: styca on November 17, 2019, 02:27:02 PM

Quote from: af_newbie on November 17, 2019, 08:55:00 AM

What I am saying is that in 2-3 generations more people will recognize it to be weird, ancient mythology, not much else.

If you read books from Voltaire's time, you will realize how much weight the Bible had in his time vs today.

The impact the Bible once had on society has been diminished as it continues to become irrelevant.

Yes. The diminishment of religion over the generations is in large part because science advances continually. Religious 'truth' is just a catch-all term for the stuff that science hasn't uncovered yet. As science advances, the unknown gaps (a.k.a. religion) get smaller.

Religion is built into the makeup and the mindset of all people. Even if science was smart enough to understand this today, scientists might not admit it, because they often have a personal religion that wants to know the answer the way they want to know it... rather than what the truth is.

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Quote from: af_newbie on November 17, 2019, 08:55:00 AM

What I am saying is that in 2-3 generations more people will recognize it to be weird, ancient mythology, not much else.

If you read books from Voltaire's time, you will realize how much weight the Bible had in his time vs today.

The impact the Bible once had on society has been diminished as it continues to become irrelevant.

Yes. The diminishment of religion over the generations is in large part because science advances continually. Religious 'truth' is just a catch-all term for the stuff that science hasn't uncovered yet. As science advances, the unknown gaps (a.k.a. religion) get smaller.

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Quote from: BADecker on November 16, 2019, 04:56:46 PM

Quote from: af_newbie on November 16, 2019, 04:49:41 PM

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Scientists are challenged all the time. What do you think a change in their scientific theory is? Have you forgotten that the only fact in a science theory is that it is a theory? The object of the theory isn't a fact. If it were, the theory wouldn't be a theory.

The only reason you understand that you know facts rather than having faith in them, is because I have mentioned it over and over in this forum.

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You have said a lot of nonsense on this forum. Keep them coming.

If all religious blokes are like you, religions will disappear in 2-3 generations.

LOL!

Quote from: https://pastorrick.com/the-bible-always-survives-and-always-will/

The Bible is the most despised, derided, denied, disputed, dissected, and debated book in all of history. This Bible has been under attack for centuries, for everything you can imagine.

Yet the Bible is still the most read, most published, and most translated book in the world. And, most importantly, it’s still changing the lives of those who apply what it teaches.

...

Voltaire, the famous French philosopher, was a brilliant atheist. He wrote a number of tracts deriding the Bible. He once made a very bold statement: “One hundred years from today the Bible will be a forgotten book.”

Today, everyone has forgotten that quote — not the Bible! After Voltaire died, for nearly 100 years, his homestead was used as the book depository for the French Bible Society. They sold Bibles out of his house! It’s now a museum. People have forgotten Voltaire. Nobody forgets the Bible.

Illiad and Odyssey are still around. Your point is?

I KNEW you would come around to acknowledging religion sooner or later.

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I really don't know what your point is. The Bible will always be the ancient work of literature that it is.

There will always be book fan clubs reading it and salivating at some of the gruesome parts.

What I am saying is that in 2-3 generations more people will recognize it to be weird, ancient mythology, not much else.

If you read books from Voltaire's time, you will realize how much weight the Bible had in his time vs today.

The impact the Bible once had on society has been diminished as it continues to become irrelevant.

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Quote from: af_newbie on November 16, 2019, 04:49:41 PM

Quote from: BADecker on November 16, 2019, 04:39:35 PM

Quote from: af_newbie on November 16, 2019, 04:28:35 PM

Quote from: BADecker on November 16, 2019, 04:06:05 PM

Scientists are challenged all the time. What do you think a change in their scientific theory is? Have you forgotten that the only fact in a science theory is that it is a theory? The object of the theory isn't a fact. If it were, the theory wouldn't be a theory.

The only reason you understand that you know facts rather than having faith in them, is because I have mentioned it over and over in this forum.

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You have said a lot of nonsense on this forum. Keep them coming.

If all religious blokes are like you, religions will disappear in 2-3 generations.

LOL!

Quote from: https://pastorrick.com/the-bible-always-survives-and-always-will/

The Bible is the most despised, derided, denied, disputed, dissected, and debated book in all of history. This Bible has been under attack for centuries, for everything you can imagine.

Yet the Bible is still the most read, most published, and most translated book in the world. And, most importantly, it’s still changing the lives of those who apply what it teaches.

...

Voltaire, the famous French philosopher, was a brilliant atheist. He wrote a number of tracts deriding the Bible. He once made a very bold statement: “One hundred years from today the Bible will be a forgotten book.”

Today, everyone has forgotten that quote — not the Bible! After Voltaire died, for nearly 100 years, his homestead was used as the book depository for the French Bible Society. They sold Bibles out of his house! It’s now a museum. People have forgotten Voltaire. Nobody forgets the Bible.

Illiad and Odyssey are still around. Your point is?

I KNEW you would come around to acknowledging religion sooner or later.

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Quote from: BADecker on November 16, 2019, 04:39:35 PM

Quote from: af_newbie on November 16, 2019, 04:28:35 PM

Quote from: BADecker on November 16, 2019, 04:06:05 PM

Scientists are challenged all the time. What do you think a change in their scientific theory is? Have you forgotten that the only fact in a science theory is that it is a theory? The object of the theory isn't a fact. If it were, the theory wouldn't be a theory.

The only reason you understand that you know facts rather than having faith in them, is because I have mentioned it over and over in this forum.

Cool

You have said a lot of nonsense on this forum. Keep them coming.

If all religious blokes are like you, religions will disappear in 2-3 generations.

LOL!

Quote from: https://pastorrick.com/the-bible-always-survives-and-always-will/

The Bible is the most despised, derided, denied, disputed, dissected, and debated book in all of history. This Bible has been under attack for centuries, for everything you can imagine.

Yet the Bible is still the most read, most published, and most translated book in the world. And, most importantly, it’s still changing the lives of those who apply what it teaches.

...

Voltaire, the famous French philosopher, was a brilliant atheist. He wrote a number of tracts deriding the Bible. He once made a very bold statement: “One hundred years from today the Bible will be a forgotten book.”

Today, everyone has forgotten that quote — not the Bible! After Voltaire died, for nearly 100 years, his homestead was used as the book depository for the French Bible Society. They sold Bibles out of his house! It’s now a museum. People have forgotten Voltaire. Nobody forgets the Bible.

Illiad and Odyssey are still around. Your point is?

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