Topic: Religion and Morality. - page 3. (Read 857 times)

I agree with all this. God is indeed, as in Dawkins's memorable quote 'the most unpleasant character in all of fiction'.
But we can't prove a negative, we can't prove to believers that God doesn't exist.
So my position is more, okay, say God exists and is really performing all this evil crap, should you really worship someone like that?

That is true.  But the probability of any Gods described in the Abrahamic religions exist is pretty much zero.

They deserve no attention or worship even if they exist.

Mythology is mythology.

BTW, I don't know many things but I don't invent answers, I just admit I don't know.

Now relax, man. Is there anything that you don't know? Be honest, now. There are lots of things that you don't know. Maybe God is on Jupiter. Be humble. You don't know that God doesn't exist. Whisper a little, because He might be listening to everything you say against Him.

It is a fucking myth.  Nothing will happen to me or you.  You are truly retarded.  Beyond any help.

Listen to yourself. You are right on the border of going crazy mad. Relax, man.

You know, it's probably good that you are done talking to me. Even quiet cancer in the body isn't attacked by the immune system with the vigor that a wildly active cancer will be.

If you don't get too raving boisterous against God, He just might give you longer time to repent.

God is loving. He is always slightly in a quandary about how much time to give people to repent. I mean, he doesn't want anyone to go to Hell. And He is trying hard to reduce the punishment for those who DO go to Hell. So, if you are less active against Him, you don't have as much to pay for in Hell if you die today. But if you get wildly active in your anti-God approach, and He sees that there is little chance that you will repent, he might let you die young, so you don't have so much to pay for in Hell.

I don't know what God will do in your case. Only He can judge what is best for you. Maybe you are on the edge of repentance without even knowing it. So He might let you go on living, all the while trying to tease a change of heart out of you. But, He might see that you are so adamantly against Him, that it is definitely the best move to let you go now.

So, it's probably best that you are done talking about this kind of stuff to me.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/crazy-shit-bible-says-crazy-shit-christians-say-1367154

Your Jesus is as pure and unadulterated evil as they come.

If you think any rules in the Bible are remotely justified, you are an evil person.

"God is healing the world..."  WTF does this mean? 

Giving HIVs to babies in Africa?  Making babies born with genetic disorders?

There is no God you FUCKING retard.

I am done talking to you.

We have the exact pencil and piece of parchment He used to write the O.T.  What are you even yammering about?

Not only are you biting the hand that feeds you, but you are biting the holy God Who made you, and keeps you alive. Since you are that wicked and evil, you are like a plague that needs to be eradicated before you infect others. It will happen to you in God's time. After all, God is healing the world by getting rid of diseases like you. So, we all hope that you change before He has to get rid of you.

I mean, that's what He had to do in Bible times to the diseases that wouldn't change.

Did you not read the Bible?  Why are you denying what Jesus wrote in the Old Testament?

Most vile, sadistic rules ever imagined. Evil in its purest form.

You are wrong. You are talking about Satan and people. Jesus is the essence of life. He arose from the dead.

So what?  It does not change the fact that God aka Jesus depicted in the Bible was a sadistic, misogynic, serial killer.

What does science have to do with the Bible?  We are talking about the insane morality of the Abrahamic religions.

Everyone is religious. People are religious beings. Much of science is religious activity. Check the whole definition - https://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t

This is indeed a basic problem of Chrsitianity. The bible, particularly OT, is a guide on how to live in a tribe in the middle-east a couple of millennia ago. It may contain what they thought at the time were universal truths, but some of them look really f***ing sadistic to modern eyes.

There is no religion in the world that if you follow it would make you a good moral person in the 21st century.

All of them are loaded with misogyny, discrimination, sadistic punishments, instilling fear and enslaving people both psychologically and financially.

All of them are preoccupied with sex and power. 

Morality is constantly changing, it cannot be anchored to a book unless this book is for one specific culture and is constantly being updated.

Mostly uneducated, gullible people follow religions.

The thread title is Religion and Morality.
I think morality is the important word here. I don't believe in God, but if I had to choose between the two I'd go for everyone being morally good, rather than everyone not believing in God.
I accept that belief in God can be useful to help certain people through life.

Morality is the important bit though, however you arrive at it.

Many devout religious lunatics die right this minute.

Many Atheists continue to live without God, quite happily I might add.

Your conjecture does not make any sense.

Just because you believe in some crazy blood mythology about some ancient salvation through one particular crucifixion,
it does not make it true.  

The opposite is likely true, your position is unsupported by any evidence, it is a personified wish list of hopes and dreams.

You are good because you are good, regardless of what you believe.  The same goes for being bad.

- Except that the nature of everything is that we need God to even live;
- We are never sure if a good thing we are doing is really the good that God originally placed into our hearts when He built us;
- It's our failure to do good that makes us need God's Jesus-salvation;
- We need God's help to protect us from the temptation to step out of goodness.

Think about this. In the things we are capable of doing, we always do whatever we want to do. Obviously, if it's a thing that we can't do - like literally jumping to the moon with our own legs - we won't do it. But let's say it's something bad, like cheating on our spouse, or robbing a bank that we are capable of robbing. If we want to do it, we will do it. If we don't do it, it's because we wanted something else more. We always do what we want to do... sin or not.

The temptation thing is directed by God. God "penetrates" way beyond the depths of the microcosm, and fills the macrocosm. He is everywhere. Knowing this opens up a whole lot of questions about why things don't operate differently in the universe. Nobody can answer all those questions, but some of us can answer some of the basics.

Me again, replying to you on what feels like every single thread on the forum 

I think the inherent desire, in the depths of our hearts as you put it, to do good and to be a moral person is a wonderful thing. You don't need God for that though.

If you are a good person and you believe in God, then you're doing yourself a disservice. It's not because of God that you are good, it's all you.

You would be right if the commands and many more like them were not written in the depths of our hearts. If we don't know it, it's only because they have been covered by layers of "brainwashing."

Not really. Take #5 for example, 'Thou shalt not kill' applies only to members of your own tribe...

Man: 'I want to kill someone, is that okay?'
God: 'Is he from your own tribe?'
Man: 'Nah.'
God: 'Go for it. You have my blessing.'

https://www.createdebate.com/debate/show/Thou_shalt_not_kill_only_applies_to_members_of_your_own_tribe

I still stand by my position that it's impossible to perform a morally good act if you're religious.
An atheist can perform an act of kindness without any expectation of reward.
A Christian knows that if they perform a good act, it gets them a step closer to heaven. If there is a guaranteed reward for being good, how can you separate goodness from self-interest?