Topic: Religion and Morality. - page 2. (Read 883 times)

And we still can't duplicate many of the feats of the ancient Egyptians... at least not with the same kind of primitive methods that they seemed to be using.

Study eighth-day circumcision, and you will find many benefits of it. You speak out of ignorance.

But your forgot to read the rest of the way, or to get an understanding of circumcision.

Abraham was stopped by God from killing his son. But because Abraham trusted God enough to do it, he was venerated by God, and became the father of many nations and peoples... people too numerous to count.

Actually, circumcision on the eighth day is beneficial for causing the immune system of a male child to become wildly active... far stronger than any of the claims made for vaccination by any of the medical. And there is more wonderful benefit to circumcision that I won't go into here.

So you see, as usual you speak out of ignorance, and show that your ignorance is deluding you into stupidity.

But progressive thinking without God and the Bible fails. But progressive thinking is better if it has God and the Bible. The Voltaire example shows it. History of nations shows it.

As the numbers of copies of the Bible increase, when are you going to realize that there is God-strength in the Bible? If the Bible didn't have strength, it would be done with.

Consider the holy books of religions other than Judaism and Christianity. They are few in number. Why? Because they don't have the strength of God in them. Even the science-religion books don't come near to the strength of the Bible.

Really, the only reason why solid science is as solid as it is, is because God is making it solid. The reason science theories that are against what God says wind up being foolishness, is because they are against what God says.

There have always been people who have rejected God and the Bible. Most of these are dead. But the Bible and God and the people of God live forever.

The statistics of how many Bibles there are worldwide, way beyond any works of science, is quite impressive.

The more we delve into the nature of science, the more we praise God that He did it this way.

There have always been people who didn't want to acknowledge God. God will give them what they asked for in the Judgement... no God = Destruction, but...

The death and resurrection of Jesus was the thing that took all the sins of all people for all time. No more sin to punished for. Only gifts according to the faith of the people.

In the Resurrection, everybody will be given a glorified body similar to the Body Jesus received after He arose from the dead. Even the unbelievers will get a glorified body that cannot die.

The believers will get life-with-God that they were asking for - Heaven. The unbelievers will get life-away-from-God that they were asking for - Hell. The everlasting bodies of all of them will keep them alive forever. Even Hell's worst destructive forces will not be able to destroy the life of the unbelievers. But it will be exactly the opposite of fun... staying alive without God.

Religion is built into the makeup and the mindset of all people. Even if science was smart enough to understand this today, scientists might not admit it, because they often have a personal religion that wants to know the answer the way they want to know it... rather than what the truth is.

Yes. The diminishment of religion over the generations is in large part because science advances continually. Religious 'truth' is just a catch-all term for the stuff that science hasn't uncovered yet. As science advances, the unknown gaps (a.k.a. religion) get smaller.

I KNEW you would come around to acknowledging religion sooner or later.

LOL!

Scientists are challenged all the time. What do you think a change in their scientific theory is? Have you forgotten that the only fact in a science theory is that it is a theory? The object of the theory isn't a fact. If it were, the theory wouldn't be a theory.

The only reason you understand that you know facts rather than having faith in them, is because I have mentioned it over and over in this forum.

Your faith is in the other scientists. However, if you have faith that a 3' stick will remain 3' wherever in the world you measure it, you are having faith in God that He is holding physics in place. So, your faith isn't in the facts. It is in God that He will maintain the facts as facts.

We are finding that standard vaccines are producing more of the disease that they are supposed to be inoculating against. Check all the posts in the vaccine threads to find the links to the evidence and proof. So, I guess being inoculated to science means that I have more of it.

My point exactly! You have faith in scientists and the media, that what they tell you is the truth, and that they discovered the truth by scientific methods. Do you have proof that they are telling you the truth? Did you watch them do their scientific methods. If you only read about it in their white papers, did you really understand what you were reading? If you understood it, did you do the tests to make sure that they were right? Or did you just believe it out of faith?

The Bible has all kinds of morality written into it. And it has punishment written in, for those who don't keep the morality. And it is the record of what happened to those who didn't keep the morality and what happened to those who did. And it shows how God both punishes those who disobey, and rewards those who obey, and how those who are repentant find Jesus-salvation.

The point is, people have faith all over the place in this life. Nothing that anyone does is ever done without at least a little bit of faith.

God is shown to exist in the machinery of the universe. Machines have makers. The highest and best morality is to honor and respect God since we have been made by Him. Since we live by faith, we have religion. The religion of honoring God is the best morality that we can have.

So, have you done all the experiments that you believe in? Or are you only trusting that others aren't lying to you? Be moral and tell us the truth, now.

So said^^ by the science-religion guy who doesn't even realize that atheism is only his religion.

    

You talk so silly. The science religion you adore is finding new stuff all the time. Most of the formal religions have found some of the basics already. Science often tries to ignore the basics because it isn't smart enough to see that religion has it right.

There isn't any proof, scientific or otherwise, that science will always be able to even touch everything... to say nothing about proving it.

The evidence for this is that science hasn't been able to readily find or conduct experiments on the soul. But we are getting closer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xeh001ptDgo.

I think that all religions have been created due to the fact that people are afraid of dead.
Believing in something makes us think that there is another world on the "other side" and our relatives are waiting with our God.
There is not any scientific proof what happens after death.

No contradictions. Simply lack of context.     

People are religious beings. Our religion is our attempt to work with the future, a thing that we know imperfectly, and that we really don't know anything about.

If we didn't have the idea religion built right into us, we would operate our lives in fear of the unknown. The orderliness of aspects of the universe gives us hope that things will work out well for us. If we have no other religion, then this is our religion. Often we want more than something as simple as orderliness.

For me,  the idea of religion is very much based on your conscience. Your perception of right and wrong. Religion though is said to be based on faith does very much relies on a persons conscience. This is what determines for good morals which is adviced and thought in every religion.

Totally true about bible then and now. Anything in the bible that is disproven by science, or offensive to modern morality, the stock response is oh yeah that bit is a metaphor.

I agree with all this. God is indeed, as in Dawkins's memorable quote 'the most unpleasant character in all of fiction'.
But we can't prove a negative, we can't prove to believers that God doesn't exist.
So my position is more, okay, say God exists and is really performing all this evil crap, should you really worship someone like that?