Logically, gambling can harm yourself and others so that it can cause many people to experience losses, misery because they lose everything, and apart from that it can destroy a household because negligence can even distance us from God.
So in my opinion, religious figures who gamble indirectly set a bad example that will harm their followers. And I don't care what the reason is and what is certain is that there will most likely be some of his followers who will imitate him, and this is contradictory because most religions prohibit gambling, let alone their leaders.
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i bet the angels would be confused to note whether it is a sin or not lol. but even so, a religious leader is not allowed to gamble because they not only bring themselves when doing various activities, but also the institution they lead. because how is it possible when he preaches to his congregation not to gamble, but he himself gambles, because as far as i know gambling is prohibited in christianity and he as a religious leader should understand this. even when he said that he gave his winnings to those in need, his actions are still not justified because the money is haram money.
Are we really on the last days as the Bible says? In the last days, you will see people doing all manner of things claiming that they got their powers or direction from God's name.
Many people have done unjust things claiming that it is revealed to them by God(a big lie). If God truly reveals them things, like gambling winnings, it is not supposed to be to them alone, if that's the case because we are supposed to be hearing different stories from different prophets claiming how God revealed a winning jackpot to them simultaneously. However, nothing of such does occur apart from his.
Nevertheless, It is clear to believe that the self-proclaimed prophet is not genuine. His powers are not from God, maybe somewhere else cos genuine christians will hardly engage in a firm like gambling that offers quick money without working for it.
Gambling in christendom is not encouraged or supported by the body of Christ because of the destruction it causes in the life of a christian
Many people have done unjust things claiming that it is revealed to them by God(a big lie). If God truly reveals them things, like gambling winnings, it is not supposed to be to them alone, if that's the case because we are supposed to be hearing different stories from different prophets claiming how God revealed a winning jackpot to them simultaneously. However, nothing of such does occur apart from his.
Nevertheless, It is clear to believe that the self-proclaimed prophet is not genuine. His powers are not from God, maybe somewhere else cos genuine christians will hardly engage in a firm like gambling that offers quick money without working for it.
Gambling in christendom is not encouraged or supported by the body of Christ because of the destruction it causes in the life of a christian
I don't care whether his religion allows him to gamble or not, I just don't understand how he wins, I would like more details.
If he exploits some kind of vulnerability, then there is no need to ban him, you just need to fix this vulnerability and wait until the mathematics does its job and he loses all his winnings.
If he wins honestly, then this is only temporary luck and there is no need to ban him either.
If he exploits some kind of vulnerability, then there is no need to ban him, you just need to fix this vulnerability and wait until the mathematics does its job and he loses all his winnings.
If he wins honestly, then this is only temporary luck and there is no need to ban him either.
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Do you think a religious leader should be involved in gambling? Do also accept his reason for engaging in gambling? Are these casinos right to ban him from gambling?
Wouldn't this depend on their Church's teachings and what their section of that religion says about gambling. Article doesn't even say if he was gambling with his own money, or with the money of the church. And that makes a huge difference when we talk about morality of it. Do you think a religious leader should be involved in gambling? Do also accept his reason for engaging in gambling? Are these casinos right to ban him from gambling?
But result was definitely good, if Emmanuel Mutumwa didn't happen to lie and use most of it for himself, and either this casino isn't secular and actually believe that god was involved, or they find out that he cheated, and that just got left out because of pr reasons of the church. This has fiction written all over it anyway if they just interviewed that religious leader and not the casino.
What ever the case is, apparently this casino shouldn't be anyone's first choice if they fear bankruptcy after $30k win.
Religious leader should not involved in gambling, no matters what is the reason. If he still do that, how he reminds other people in his arounds to stay away from gambling? People will not listen to him because he involved in gambling and they will still playing gambling to wins like him.
He can use the other ways to pay school fees and start bussinesses for members of his organization. He can asks for donation from his follower religion to helps others so he doesn't have to playing gambling. Some people can not accepts the money from gambling, especially if they believes that gambling is not a right way to have money.
If he claim that he receives winning games from God through vision, does he will still playing gambling? How and what will happens if he lose all of his money? He must thinks much to say like that, especially he is a religious leader for his organization.
He can use the other ways to pay school fees and start bussinesses for members of his organization. He can asks for donation from his follower religion to helps others so he doesn't have to playing gambling. Some people can not accepts the money from gambling, especially if they believes that gambling is not a right way to have money.
If he claim that he receives winning games from God through vision, does he will still playing gambling? How and what will happens if he lose all of his money? He must thinks much to say like that, especially he is a religious leader for his organization.
It certainly looks a little unusual, these are the first words that come to my mind after this news. This is what I think about it, if he plays and feels all the winnings should be given to those in need, such as sick children and other vulnerable people, then I fully support him and have nothing against it.
I'm interested in some of the questions I ask, for example, what would he do if he didn't start winning, but lost. Would he lose money from parishioners who gave him donations in his temple or personal money?
As for the casino, it is quite logical that it is trying to prohibit him from playing, but everyone has long known that it is almost impossible to win on a regular basis, then why is the casino afraid of him, do they really believe in his unusual ability to foresee the future. If so, then of course they will forbid him to play, but he will just go to the next one and that’s all.
I'm interested in some of the questions I ask, for example, what would he do if he didn't start winning, but lost. Would he lose money from parishioners who gave him donations in his temple or personal money?
As for the casino, it is quite logical that it is trying to prohibit him from playing, but everyone has long known that it is almost impossible to win on a regular basis, then why is the casino afraid of him, do they really believe in his unusual ability to foresee the future. If so, then of course they will forbid him to play, but he will just go to the next one and that’s all.
Archbishop Emmanuel Mutumwa, who is the leader of Johanne Masowe eChishanu Apostolic Sect has been banned from betting in local casinos because of excess wins. His current win was about US$30,000 and these casino operators fear that they might go bankrupt if he continues gambling with them.
But the acclaimed prophet claim that he receives winning games from God through vision. He further stated that with his numerous wins, he has been able to pay school fees and start businesses for members of his religious organization. While other religious leaders perceive his actions as sinful, he thinks his wins are an avenue to be a blessing to the needy.
Do you think a religious leader should be involved in gambling? Do also accept his reason for engaging in gambling? Are these casinos right to ban him from gambling?
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But the acclaimed prophet claim that he receives winning games from God through vision. He further stated that with his numerous wins, he has been able to pay school fees and start businesses for members of his religious organization. While other religious leaders perceive his actions as sinful, he thinks his wins are an avenue to be a blessing to the needy.
Do you think a religious leader should be involved in gambling? Do also accept his reason for engaging in gambling? Are these casinos right to ban him from gambling?
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Yes religious leader should be prohibited to gamble since this is a sin and he might be a bad influence to his followers for this activities he participate.
Also gambling might lead to corruption so to avoid getting into big trouble maybe that Archbishop should show some decency to his followers and drop gambling since it will never bring good to them especially if people doesn't have any knowledge on educating their selves about gambling.
I don't really believe about superstitious belief reasoning on gambling and maybe the pastor is just lucky at that time then the casino operator is just over reacting on the situation since maybe they don't have huge funds and want to eliminate those people who always win on their casino.
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Are we like living in a fucked-up post-scientific revolution phase of the dark ages? Cause no way in hell the catholic church would allow someone like him to be at one of the highest seat of power in the Christian Power Hierarchy ......
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That is obvious, the Catholic Church would never stand for something like this, if you pay closer attention to the OP information, you will realize this is the case of the leader of a religious sect which probably has little or no recognition by the Vatican.
Only because a sect prays to God and virgin Mary does not automatically means they have the blessing of the Vatican or the Catholic Church as institution.
Anyways, I would be more worried on whatever it could be going on behind the walls of that sect. It is well documented sects are quite negative and harmful for those who join them, and it is likely that bishop uses those gambling earnings to keep his followers/victims attached to the sect and to himself. Have you ever heard or read about the tragedy of the People's Temple Church? It is an extreme example, but it is a good one on how bad things can go in a sect, specially in money is being used as a tool to manipulate people within.
Are we like living in a fucked-up post-scientific revolution phase of the dark ages? Cause no way in hell the catholic church would allow someone like him to be at one of the highest seat of power in the Christian Power Hierarchy and still be able to gamble like crazy, regardless if he's winning or losing. People are getting ousted for the littlest things in the Roman Catholic seats of powers, a few weeks ago a UK priest was kicked out of his convent and stripped of his title as a priest cause he misappropriated his church's funds for powerups in candy crush. And here we have an Archbishop that is eagerly playing their shit and is even getting banned in casinos because he wins so much. Weird times man.
Every religion has their own beliefs and so we don't know bout their beliefs towards gambling. After all, only humans are creating such religious sects and making their own rules. So if that leader is involving himself in gambling, then, it is up to his followers if they will believe his teachings or whatnot. And I don't think it has something to do with his "God" why he is winning. For sure, he has strategies on why he got those winnings. Most of them will just use the name of their God so they can continue doing what they want to do in life.
Archbishop Emmanuel Mutumwa, who is the leader of Johanne Masowe eChishanu Apostolic Sect has been banned from betting in local casinos because of excess wins. His current win was about US$30,000 and these casino operators fear that they might go bankrupt if he continues gambling with them.
But the acclaimed prophet claim that he receives winning games from God through vision. He further stated that with his numerous wins, he has been able to pay school fees and start businesses for members of his religious organization. While other religious leaders perceive his actions as sinful, he thinks his wins are an avenue to be a blessing to the needy.
Do you think a religious leader should be involved in gambling? Do also accept his reason for engaging in gambling? Are these casinos right to ban him from gambling?
Reference
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Are we like living in a fucked-up post-scientific revolution phase of the dark ages? Cause no way in hell the catholic church would allow someone like him to be at one of the highest seat of power in the Christian Power Hierarchy and still be able to gamble like crazy, regardless if he's winning or losing. People are getting ousted for the littlest things in the Roman Catholic seats of powers, a few weeks ago a UK priest was kicked out of his convent and stripped of his title as a priest cause he misappropriated his church's funds for powerups in candy crush. And here we have an Archbishop that is eagerly playing their shit and is even getting banned in casinos because he wins so much. Weird times man. But the acclaimed prophet claim that he receives winning games from God through vision. He further stated that with his numerous wins, he has been able to pay school fees and start businesses for members of his religious organization. While other religious leaders perceive his actions as sinful, he thinks his wins are an avenue to be a blessing to the needy.
Do you think a religious leader should be involved in gambling? Do also accept his reason for engaging in gambling? Are these casinos right to ban him from gambling?
Reference
Bulawayo prophet gambles, wins US$30,000 banned from casino
God’s Chosen Gambler?: Bulawayo Prophet Banned From Casinos for Winning Too Much
Why bring religion to gambling at first place ? Let's just see it as a person who is winning money from gambling.
Maybe because gambling is prohibited in their religion, place, or country, that is why. But even if not, it will still look inappropriate to see a religious leader do such an act as gambling, as we know that gambling is linked with many negative things. I don't agree to ban the user directly from gambling but we can restrict a gambler who is always winning money.
After a certain win if the gambler keeps winning then casino owners can impose a restriction on him because that's how they can keep the business running.
In my opinion, it must be the opposite, like we can ban such individuals ( religious leaders ) and then allow a regular individual to win as much money as they can, as I see that this is also a problem in the gambling field (mainly in sports betting). If we lose a lot of times, they don't even complain, so they should try to be more fair sometimes because most of the times, they have a greater advantage than the players. After a certain win if the gambler keeps winning then casino owners can impose a restriction on him because that's how they can keep the business running.
Archbishop Emmanuel Mutumwa, who is the leader of Johanne Masowe eChishanu Apostolic Sect has been banned from betting in local casinos because of excess wins. His current win was about US$30,000 and these casino operators fear that they might go bankrupt if he continues gambling with them.
But the acclaimed prophet claim that he receives winning games from God through vision. He further stated that with his numerous wins, he has been able to pay school fees and start businesses for members of his religious organization. While other religious leaders perceive his actions as sinful, he thinks his wins are an avenue to be a blessing to the needy.
Do you think a religious leader should be involved in gambling? Do also accept his reason for engaging in gambling? Are these casinos right to ban him from gambling?
A prophet for gamblers to the nation? come on, we're all grown ups. Even if we're all gamblers here, we all want what's the best for everyone. And with this guy, he's going to drag people into gambling while preaching in his congregration. And just because he's making statements that said that most of his bets are being 'god'-told for him, many are going to believe him with that. To be honest, he shouldn't gamble and preach at the same time. Many of these souls are going to be lost and misled by him.But the acclaimed prophet claim that he receives winning games from God through vision. He further stated that with his numerous wins, he has been able to pay school fees and start businesses for members of his religious organization. While other religious leaders perceive his actions as sinful, he thinks his wins are an avenue to be a blessing to the needy.
Do you think a religious leader should be involved in gambling? Do also accept his reason for engaging in gambling? Are these casinos right to ban him from gambling?
If it's about the casinos ban, I think that he deserved to get banned not just for winning but because of his profession. And the casino is doing him a favor to stop and it's for their sakes that because of his vast winnings and the casino might just go bankrupt against him, they're also helping him to just stop and focus on his chosen profession and that is to cater souls and to preach the word in his hometown. A religious leader should be a perfect example despite that we've got flaws, but they should portray and show what's best for their members. But with what he does, he's going to be loved by his members because of the money that he's going to share with them but not with the word that he professed to spread.
In my opinion, whatever the reason, religious leaders should not gamble, they are leaders and as leaders they should set a good example for their congregation to follow the path they follow, if leaders gamble, it is the same as them setting a bad example, regardless of whether the reason is to pay for schools or for good. other things because the gambling he won was the result of other people's losses, which means he received victory from the results of other people's suffering and that is a bad result for a leader who should give better results of their hard work and not gamble.
He is not suitable to be a religious leader if he gambles and makes money from gambling and he should not do that. Maybe if he were in my country he would not only be banned from coming to casinos but would have been boycotted as a religious leader because in my country strongly opposes gambling. Especially if the person playing it is a religious leader, of course the government doesn't like it because it is a bad act and will set a bad example for others.
He will obviously be having a congregation of gamblers He is not suitable to be a religious leader if he gambles and makes money from gambling and he should not do that. Maybe if he were in my country he would not only be banned from coming to casinos but would have been boycotted as a religious leader because in my country strongly opposes gambling. Especially if the person playing it is a religious leader, of course the government doesn't like it because it is a bad act and will set a bad example for others.
I live in a country where people look up to their religious leaders for guidance on how to live their lives. Anyone who happens to be a member of his congregation will definitely take up gambling as a lifestyle. It is not right for any religious leader to take up any lifestyle like gambling, drinking, smoking and clubbing, infact a religious leader should not be seen in certain places because his congregation will be watching and would want to emulate his lifestyle.
Not everyone should be a religious leader, obviously he is skilled in gambling, he should stick to that and avoid misleading his congregation into forming wrong habits.
Nobody knows if this religious leader is a true man of God, and is doing what he was directed to do by God. We are only talking from our own little understanding on religious practices. Sometimes what we condemn is not evil in the site of God, but our intentions and and good actions is what he considers.
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A little bit off topic, but you are not supposed to feel envious about that alledged power which has been bestowed to the bishop of a sect. Assuming he is indeed getting privileged information or knowledge from some source which cannot be explained by science, that source definitely not God, but rather something or someone sinister. It does not matter whether one is Jewish, Muslim or Christian, the message is always the same, one cannot love money and God at the same time and greed has always been portraited as a source of evil among men. So would not be a contradiction for God to start giving the means to someone of a sect so they can accumulate much wealth?
So, do not be fooled by the aparent benefits that bishop is enjoying, he probably gave something in exchange of that information or ability to get information. I am not saying he is being helped by demons, but neither of us would dare to deny evil is real and it is out there.
In my opinion, whatever the reason, religious leaders should not gamble, they are leaders and as leaders they should set a good example for their congregation to follow the path they follow, if leaders gamble, it is the same as them setting a bad example, regardless of whether the reason is to pay for schools or for good. other things because the gambling he won was the result of other people's losses, which means he received victory from the results of other people's suffering and that is a bad result for a leader who should give better results of their hard work and not gamble.
He is not suitable to be a religious leader if he gambles and makes money from gambling and he should not do that. Maybe if he were in my country he would not only be banned from coming to casinos but would have been boycotted as a religious leader because in my country strongly opposes gambling. Especially if the person playing it is a religious leader, of course the government doesn't like it because it is a bad act and will set a bad example for others.
He will obviously be having a congregation of gamblers He is not suitable to be a religious leader if he gambles and makes money from gambling and he should not do that. Maybe if he were in my country he would not only be banned from coming to casinos but would have been boycotted as a religious leader because in my country strongly opposes gambling. Especially if the person playing it is a religious leader, of course the government doesn't like it because it is a bad act and will set a bad example for others.
I live in a country where people look up to their religious leaders for guidance on how to live their lives. Anyone who happens to be a member of his congregation will definitely take up gambling as a lifestyle. It is not right for any religious leader to take up any lifestyle like gambling, drinking, smoking and clubbing, infact a religious leader should not be seen in certain places because his congregation will be watching and would want to emulate his lifestyle.
Not everyone should be a religious leader, obviously he is skilled in gambling, he should stick to that and avoid misleading his congregation into forming wrong habits.
I cannot believe what I just read,the bishop of some religious sect winning big through God visions.I never thought I would live long enough to read such a strange thing for me.While for banning him I don't think the religious leader should care much as he can open a crypto casino account under some of his followers so they know it is not him,he can tell his vision to this follower and tell him what to bet.Honestly I am a bit envious about such religious person getting the right visions from God,I wish I had someone who could tell me such visions,I would be making a whole lot of money by following this type of vision.Normally in life I am not superstitious yet this story makes me become one for a bit and as I said I am envious about such guys being able to accumulate excessive wins through sport betting.
I think it's just a coincidence or he really has more skills, there's no need to think too much about it that there is an ability from God for him, after all it's impossible for God to give him an advantage so that it can be used for gambling, I don't think so, right? Is God supposed to have everything? Why do religious leaders have to make money through gambling for the right thing, whatever we do is for the right thing but using money that comes from gambling doesn't seem ethical either, I think I'd rather not have any opinion about it. this matter.
But I will talk about my views on religious leaders in my country where they never visit gambling sites. They are devout religious leaders and they even really stay away from gambling, but it's strange to hear this story, whatever the reality is that everything that is done correctly is not necessarily completely correct, looking for Money from gambling is strictly prohibited in my religion and perhaps in other religions. The point is, if there is an advantage given by God, it should be used for something other useful, not for gambling.
But I will talk about my views on religious leaders in my country where they never visit gambling sites. They are devout religious leaders and they even really stay away from gambling, but it's strange to hear this story, whatever the reality is that everything that is done correctly is not necessarily completely correct, looking for Money from gambling is strictly prohibited in my religion and perhaps in other religions. The point is, if there is an advantage given by God, it should be used for something other useful, not for gambling.
Why bring religion to gambling at first place ? Let's just see it as a person who is winning money from gambling.
I believe because religion typically teaches that gambling is taboo or unethical to do due to greediness while the subject is a preacher of this teaching which show hypocrisy.
You are right. If it wasn't the prophet and just a normal person then it would have totally depended on the person whether to follow the religion and stop gambling or not but in this case since he's a prophet, it's ethically wrong for a person who teaches others not to gamble and gambles himself.
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I don't agree to ban the user directly from gambling but we can restrict a gambler who is always winning money.
After a certain win if the gambler keeps winning then casino owners can impose a restriction on him because that's how they can keep the business running.
After a certain win if the gambler keeps winning then casino owners can impose a restriction on him because that's how they can keep the business running.
Is there any difference between banning to restricting? Both of this action has same effect to gambler since they can’t use the casino anymore to gamble. I believe limiting is the right term if you are pertaining to decreasing the amount of bet which players can put on his bets.
You are right again. The term should be limiting the user from betting so as to reduce his betting amount so that he doesn't make enormous returns.
I am saying this because I have seen this being implemented on a casino site.
Still, we need to discuss about religion and gambling again?
I don't care with the title of any person whether he's a president, religious leader, successful investor, successful businessman, gambling addict counselor, or even government officer, most people loves money, that's why they want to gamble.
There's no such thing like it's legal to do bad thing to achieve good thing, if the religion say it's a sin, then it's a sin regardless what the reason is.
Hahaha there have been quite lot of discussions about religion and gambling but this has given many varied responses because everyone point of view is different.I don't care with the title of any person whether he's a president, religious leader, successful investor, successful businessman, gambling addict counselor, or even government officer, most people loves money, that's why they want to gamble.
There's no such thing like it's legal to do bad thing to achieve good thing, if the religion say it's a sin, then it's a sin regardless what the reason is.
Basically, I completely agree with that if don't know anything or anyone, including the degree they have, they will definitely need money and will always do whatever they think is right to make money.
This is the instinct of every human being and it cannot be denied that everyone needs money to meet their living needs and be able to get decent life as they want.
Gambling continues to be one of the places where most people think they can make money more quickly and easily, even though this kind of thinking is not appropriate to maintain.
What is very unethical here is that he is religious leader and every religion certainly considers gambling not to be good activity, some religions even strictly prohibit gambling activities carried out by their followers.
But this is life in world where worldly pleasures are one of the things that everyone without exception always wants, it is difficult to understand context like this in more detail.
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