Topic: Religious leader barred from casinos because of big wins. - page 6. (Read 763 times)

Ah lol, what I only saw in this story was about someone who used religion to get money from donations and by chance that person was able to wins when gambling using the money from his fraud.
That is just for publicity and to justify his gambling habit, because when he becomes more famous, he definitely will receive more than what he has spent.

They have no right to ban him from playing because he is always winning what do they expect from customers? to keep losing while they expanding their business I think the position of the man is the only thing I see as a hindrance here since most of his followers will start complaining about his gambling activities despite using it to support the members of his religion else I would have supported the man to continue to outwin them or better still share his winning tactics to some of his members so they continue from where he stops so they keep of winning to take care of other religious members.

I don't think I understand the type of religion that the man is associated with but if he's religion is not against gambling, he has the right to argue with the casino company or even make a case with them just to know why they don't want to see him gamble again.

Small religions will do everything they can to organize themselves and develop their beliefs and it does cost money to do so so they may resort to anything to get the money including gambling.

Maybe he met his god and had a chat and his god told him to gamble, why not give the money directly to the sect leader instead of betting on gambling if he got a hint from his god, this makes no sense, and who can verify that he had a chat with his god, maybe it was just a hallucination and he was just lucky.

You're pretty annoying if religion was born just to deceive, poor conclusion.

My response to this would be based on if gambling is accepted in their religion doctrine or not - if their religion doesn’t support or allow them to participate in gambling then the religion leader should abstain from it and not involve in anything that has to do with gambling but if they support it then I see nothing wrong in him gambling.

The fact that his spiritual life could help him win more is nothing something that should be use to classify if he’s fit to gamble or not, it cannot be proven scientifically that what he claimed to be using is true so there no reason to ban him. It can also be likened to him being lucky but clothed as spirituality.

Yes, the problem is that this is like licking his own saliva when talking about gambling is not good then he himself does it what is the appropriate word that can be mentioned for it? this is not only fixated on Christianity in my opinion to all leaders of any religion if doing this will give a bad image to the religion he adheres to especially those who do it are a religious leader is certainly not a good thing and can be considered as if it is allowed because it can provide benefits from gambling, if so why don't they build their own casino to be calmer in getting money from the judges.

Even if it is a religious leader I will condemn him because what they say themselves they do not obey, because basically the teachings need to be followed and the person who teaches it should certainly be more obedient to the rules and be responsible for what has come out of his mouth, this actually disturbs his credibility as a prophet, and I think if it's like that he no longer deserves to be a prophet because he violates the rules, do you agree with that?

You said it yourself that this man is the leader of a sect, so I don't think that significant religious leaders will care about his claims. I'd like to remind you that Manson, who lead his own sect, also claimed to have visions and be chosen by god, so I wouldn't waste time on these people if I were you.

The way I see it, all religions are made to fool people, scam them and keep them in the dark, but small sects are worse than that. They amplify all the bad aspects of mainstream religions.

I didn't try to open the link you shared in this thread, based on what you posted that's enough. In fact, a bishop is also a human being. Even though he has a great title, in his blood flows qualities that are no different from those of us ordinary people. However, this story is unique, a person who has a respected position in a religious institution is involved in gambling. I can only smile, without meaning to judge him. sin or not, he is the one who knows according to his version of belief and faith. although he claims, and seems to be depicting himself, that he was given a gift through his visions which he used to collect funds from gambling.

So, I really don't have the capacity to judge it, or say that it is an act that violates the rules and can be said to be despicable. I don't dare to judge anyone, because I also gamble. If I condemn someone because of their position, work, diocese, it is the same as me judging myself. The crucial question is, does the casino have rules to ban certain people like this thread for example. If not, the casino should be fair with the winnings. It has become the casino's responsibility to pay its customers' winnings without needing to look at their professional background or title. especially, if there are no regulations written in the license they have. As for the essence of your question, once again I don't have the realm to talk about it. what he does is entirely his responsibility, as are the various responses that come to him. It seems, based on your post, he is quite ready to reap negative responses for his activity in the casino.

In an African setting, there are many things religious leaders are ought not to do, due to the respect/prestige given to such position as leader of a certain religious congregation, of which gambling, clubbing and alcohol drinking are one of them. But judging this case from my own personal point of view, I will say that base on the reason the prophet gave above, for me, I see nothing wrong with it, inasmuch as he is using the money he won from gambling to touch the lives of others by paying school fees and starting businesses for members of his religious organization. As he has literally done well, and deserves to be appreciated, rather than ridiculed for touching lives from the proceeds of his gambling skills.

What you posted are correct except the one that I quote. Even if gambling do not violate the belief or religion, religious leaders should not be seen gambling. Gambling is not a sin in Christianity but Christian religious leaders always preach against it. They are preaching for the people to be conscious of gambling and not waste money on it in search for money.

I'm sorry and no offence to religious people here in the forum but his "vision" from god is complete BS a lot of nasty "religious" people or leaders have used that excuse to justify what they are doing(though I am not saying what the religious leader is doing is bad). anyway, if the claims he made about paying school fees, starting businesses for his members, etc.. then good for him.

I could care less if they gamble or not, but it'll be hypocritical of them if they are preaching gambling is a sin and then they themselves are gambling. as for the casino being right to ban him, I don't know, business-wise the casino is smart to ban him since gamblers who continuously win big amounts are bad for casinos.

I am one person that would want to see religious leaders give out predictions as a result of prophecy they got, if the archbishop has been winning due to Divine revelation, and he has justifiedly said the money has been used to open business and pay school fees of members of his church, for me I don't see any reason why he should be banned. At least I know in football that there has been various cases where prophets give predictions as to how a certain football match will go, and at the end of the day, unfortunately it hardly goes the way they've predicted. For me they should allow the man of God to continue his gambling, since he hasn't committed any infraction.

Great way of telling the people about him being the sent prophet. He helped pay school fees for the children of his church members. He used his winning for a noble cause, how is this a bad thing? HE protested the ban according to the article lol

I think if he bankrupts that local betting shop, it's a sign that he destroys the distraction that ruins lives.
So which one would you rather have, a pastor who asks money from the members or a pastor who wins from a casino?

However, if it violates the belief, it will make the religion worse, especially those who do this are religious leaders, of course, more people will follow them, thinking that gambling is allowed in their religion if it provides benefits, that stigma will appear in their followers, even though their religion prohibits it and considers gambling as a sin, I think this will not be relevant at any time if you look at the angle.

Maybe the leader can benefit continuously in his gambling activities but what about those of his followers who follow him, a big loss to his followers may be big, and I don't believe what he wins is a hint from his god, maybe he just has more luck so that he always gets a profit.

This cannot be justified even if what he won is to provide assistance to his organization because rules are rules in my opinion, it is an absolute thing for the running of a religion, sin is still sin and cannot be erased because of doing good, what about those who always lose? will they only get sin alone because they cannot provide benefits?

My understanding of this is that, the casino is a small one and are afraid to run out of bankroll. Secondly, God told him nothing. He's probably hallucinating. God is indifferent to gambling. That's why He gave us freewill. As a religious leader, he isn't leading by example. His congratulations shouldn't even know about his gambling activity. They'll follow his lead and soon he'll sit with a couple to resolve the constant fights as a result of one spouse struggle with gambling addiction. He probably needs to also be placed on suspension by his superiors to give him time to think about his actions and the consequences on his congregation.

Vision from God? Just that will make you feel better think something is wrong.
Will God really use gambling to give His blessings? I don't think so. "Dont use God's name in vain."  That is written. Why didn't he just claim that he got lucky? That is more acceptable.
I think he will lose a lot of supporters with what he has done. He may be trying to be good because he will use it for good but he can still do that by not staining the name of God.
I am not sure what came to that guy on why he used gambling as means to make money but I bet he has a past about gambling and he might have good experience with it.

I think most in most religious groups gambling is prohibited though there are some that are not but I don't have a problem with that as it's none of my business to judge them. But when in terms of winning successively I mean winning streak might hurt casino operators maybe that is why he got banned but if we are talking about special powers or any magical belief that makes him win I don't think so as he might just be so lucky from winning multiple times it could be that it was just a coincidence that he happen to be a religious leader and he got lucky. Seems like the same on what had happen to Mikki right?

If the winning is getting too much, the casino will restrict him or ban him probably because casinos do not like losing to customers
 They want customers to lose instead.

But if I should post what is in my mind, I do not expect a religious leader to be gambling. But he is using it to help people and it is good to help the people in need.

His title already complicates his current situation. We know how religions are against gambling and to be a religious leader, you have to show an example of which the so called apostle isn't displaying. I believe he is a false prophet and I don't know what powers he is using but the Christian Bible speaks against gambling and if he claims to be using it to help others, he is just making that up as a cover for his irresponsibility as a Christian leader.

Though I don't see why the betting casino banned him as regardless of being a religious leader, he gambled and made his wins I don't think he cheated in anyway. But I guess he is just someone with a blar mouth going to the extent to say that his God gave him winning vision. I don't blame him though but I know sincerely that he ain't worshiping the God of Christian faith.

Most religions do really prohibits gambling but there are ones which are really that allowed as long you wont really be losing up your control because this is usually the issue for most people on the moment that they will play gambling is that they do lose control. As for the issue if Religious leaders could be able to gamble then it would really be that just a matter of choice, if he gambles then its safe to say that its allowed into their religion but the bad thing that i dont like on where these leaders are preaching out about the involvement of God in terms of their gambling predictions which causes for them to win, on which this is something that not really connects about divine intervention but rather pure luck.

As for casinos which really tending to ban him out then its not already that a surprise that they will really be trying out to get rid into those gamblers who do always win on which it would be something understandable.
They would really be getting rid because it would really be that a huge minus into their overall revenue.

Here in our country, it's prohibited for any church leader to engage in gambling, our country is a Christian-dominated religion and our holy book mentions that you cannot serve to masters, you will love the one and hate the others, and excessive gambling ruin the lives of many so how can a religious leader prohibit something that he indulges on it.
His congregation will hate him and the higher hierarchy will take out his duties and responsibility as a Church leader as he is a bad example to the congregation.