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Quote from: Fiatless on June 07, 2024, 12:31:36 PM

Archbishop Emmanuel Mutumwa, who is the leader of Johanne Masowe eChishanu Apostolic Sect has been banned from betting in local casinos because of excess wins. His current win was about US$30,000 and these casino operators fear that they might go bankrupt if he continues gambling with them.

But the acclaimed prophet claim that he receives winning games from God through vision. He further stated that with his numerous wins, he has been able to pay school fees and start businesses for members of his religious organization. While other religious leaders perceive his actions as sinful, he thinks his wins are an avenue to be a blessing to the needy.

Do you think a religious leader should be involved in gambling? Do also accept his reason for engaging in gambling? Are these casinos right to ban him from gambling?

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What I know is that, they are prohibited in any gambling engagement because of their belief that gambling is a bad and forbidden work of the Lord, especially if it is from the Catholic religion, such activity is strictly prohibited and they may even be deprived of the right to be a member of the church if it is proven , especially now that many priests disobey the things stated in their book. for me, even though he used the money he earned in the right way, he did it wrong because it is forbidden, especially because one of his reasons is that he won because of the visions that the god showed him, so be fair to other gamblers, maybe it's right to ban him from casino houses because mylaybe it's really true that he has visions about winnings and it's possible that the outcome will be treated as cheating.

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Quote from: Fiatless on June 07, 2024, 12:31:36 PM

Do you think a religious leader should be involved in gambling? Do also accept his reason for engaging in gambling? Are these casinos right to ban him from gambling?

If their religion clearly states the prohibition of any involvement of gambling then I think that they should an example to their followers and not that they're the one that's doing it, it would be a blasphemous act if you ask me that this archbishop is doing this, if their religion has a God that clearly states in their religious scriptures that deals in a black and white morality, this archbishop is already a sinner no matter how pure the intentions are, this is just like that joke by Dave Chappelle about a superhero that rapes someone before they can transform into a superhero to save a lot of people, it's still wrong no matter what the results will show you and that the ends doesn't justify the means. It's probably for the best that this archbishop got barred from that casino because either he's a really lucky man, or that he really has a divine providence that's helping him out or the most likely thing here is that this man is probably cheating in some way that's new to the casinos in their country.

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I still don't believe that it actually exists claiming themselves a prophet and then winning huge amounts in gambling.
I hope I was wrong but this story drives to something like an ad that makes people who hear this news follow him and believe in his capabilities. Like he uses the casino and pretends he wins huge but the truth is not.

I rather believe that a gambler loses millions rather than winning millions because of their religious belief unless cheating is made. I know God give us some favor but for sure, it was not this way - gambling.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on June 07, 2024, 12:53:39 PM

Quote from: Fiatless on June 07, 2024, 12:31:36 PM

Do you think a religious leader should be involved in gambling? Do also accept his reason for engaging in gambling? Are these casinos right to ban him from gambling?

My understanding of this is that, the casino is a small one and are afraid to run out of bankroll. Secondly, God told him nothing. He's probably hallucinating. God is indifferent to gambling. That's why He gave us freewill. As a religious leader, he isn't leading by example. His congratulations shouldn't even know about his gambling activity. They'll follow his lead and soon he'll sit with a couple to resolve the constant fights as a result of one spouse struggle with gambling addiction. He probably needs to also be placed on suspension by his superiors to give him time to think about his actions and the consequences on his congregation.

It’s not impossible my dear Because God is a miraculous God and can bless people in different ways and in different positions and probably that is how his own gift came and if he is been banned from casinos that really means that he has extraordinary gifts when it comes to gambling. I know of a guy who will watch a match in the dream and when he wakes up he will tell you the scores and the people that score the goals though not frequently and after the match everything will be as he predicted it. so people have different gift from God so the scenario that the op cited can happen to anyone if God chose to bless you like that .

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Are casinos unwilling to pay customers big winnings? The reasoning behind it doesn't make sense because religious openers with excessive winnings have casinos banning them.

I know the preacher of any religion should not gamble but when it comes to money anything will do because it is a necessity that cannot be avoided, there are other reasons for example his followers are afraid to play gambling and they are getting addicted because the preacher has started gambling.

But the excuse of casino operators with excess winnings to me is absurd.

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Quote from: Fiatless on June 07, 2024, 12:31:36 PM

Do you think a religious leader should be involved in gambling? Do also accept his reason for engaging in gambling? Are these casinos right to ban him from gambling?

I just believe gambling is just a game and as far as one is playing responsible and not being addicted I don't think playing gambling is a sin. If we look into our different religion and if we should go for sin to see what are the real sin gambling is not mentioned as one. But if people with such profile are into gambling it will be better for them to learn how to keep it secret because the society we are from it won't look good to see clerics that we look unto to take gambling as an hobby. A priest is seen to be a role model which people needs to look and rely on.

Casino will always want gamblers to continue their games even if the gambler is losing money but when one starts winning constantly casino's will think of restrictng the user accounts. I think casinos need to maintain same energy either win or lose.

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Quote from: Fiatless on June 07, 2024, 12:31:36 PM

Archbishop Emmanuel Mutumwa, who is the leader of Johanne Masowe eChishanu Apostolic Sect has been banned from betting in local casinos because of excess wins. His current win was about US$30,000 and these casino operators fear that they might go bankrupt if he continues gambling with them.

But the acclaimed prophet claim that he receives winning games from God through vision. He further stated that with his numerous wins, he has been able to pay school fees and start businesses for members of his religious organization. While other religious leaders perceive his actions as sinful, he thinks his wins are an avenue to be a blessing to the needy.

Do you think a religious leader should be involved in gambling? Do also accept his reason for engaging in gambling? Are these casinos right to ban him from gambling?

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I think this isn't right for judgemental people who saw a so called righteous person got involved himself with gambling. The impression was totally bad as this religious leaders used up the money came from tithes of the people who believed they're saved by sharing 10% of their hard earned money as per scripture. Gambling money from donations made so many people pissed off and annoyed, and most probably this has been reported by other leaders due to complaints from anonymous individuals. As a human being, this guy has also a sinful manner like us so every reason is always accountable and acceptable except the law of the church and state.

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If the religious leader believes what he is doing is righteous, then I don't have anything to say about it or even argue that it is not, and secondly, he is using the winnings to help the needy, so it serves as a blessing to those who are being touched and reached by him and his entire church. At least he doesn't go about scamming the members of his church; instead, he makes some honest winnings from the casino that have taken more than enough from society.

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Quote from: Fiatless on June 07, 2024, 12:31:36 PM

Do you think a religious leader should be involved in gambling? Do also accept his reason for engaging in gambling? Are these casinos right to ban him from gambling?

Even if a religious leader or someone in his position wants to get involved in gambling they should do so secretly knowing that if the gamble openly and endorse it, they could influence a lot of people both of the legitimate age to gamble and the illegitimate age too.
His reasons for gambling are just an excuse, and the casino is wrong to ban him for winning too much because if he was losing they will not ban him for losing too much.

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Quote from: Fiatless on June 07, 2024, 12:31:36 PM

Archbishop Emmanuel Mutumwa, who is the leader of Johanne Masowe eChishanu Apostolic Sect has been banned from betting in local casinos because of excess wins. His current win was about US$30,000 and these casino operators fear that they might go bankrupt if he continues gambling with them.

But the acclaimed prophet claim that he receives winning games from God through vision. He further stated that with his numerous wins, he has been able to pay school fees and start businesses for members of his religious organization. While other religious leaders perceive his actions as sinful, he thinks his wins are an avenue to be a blessing to the needy.

Do you think a religious leader should be involved in gambling? Do also accept his reason for engaging in gambling? Are these casinos right to ban him from gambling?

In the world of today, the compass of morality has become relative, it's not really bad if you take a logical approach in to looking at these things because the same casinos rip people off their money in the name of playing games and having fun, so of it happens that some One has gotten the skill enough to be able to get it from the casinos to give to the needey out there which isn't a bad act, it's fair he does it, condemning him to be a sinner is not even making any sense to me or would you rather prefer the ones who take from those needs member of their religion that needs help.

He understood that he isn't capable of getting the money to help everyone from the church so he decides to get it els where with his skills of which it's not stealing and then turned out to help the society from the proceed of his skill

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Quote from: Fiatless on June 07, 2024, 12:31:36 PM

Archbishop Emmanuel Mutumwa, who is the leader of Johanne Masowe eChishanu Apostolic Sect has been banned from betting in local casinos because of excess wins. His current win was about US$30,000 and these casino operators fear that they might go bankrupt if he continues gambling with them.

But the acclaimed prophet claim that he receives winning games from God through vision. He further stated that with his numerous wins, he has been able to pay school fees and start businesses for members of his religious organization. While other religious leaders perceive his actions as sinful, he thinks his wins are an avenue to be a blessing to the needy.

Do you think a religious leader should be involved in gambling? Do also accept his reason for engaging in gambling? Are these casinos right to ban him from gambling?

Reference

Bulawayo prophet gambles, wins US$30,000 banned from casino

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Religion never makes much sense but this kind of ridiculousness is a prime example. Instead of expelling this person from the church, because they broke some rather basic rules, they decided to reprimand and not really punish him at all. The punishment in this case was "don't do it again" instead of expecting a highly placed religious leader to know already that it was completely unacceptable. It shows the common hypocrisy that seems ever present in religion and sets a very bad example to followers. If there are no repercussions, like demotion even, for bad acts - then they should not preach otherwise.

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As a leader, you are expected to lead by example.

It's prohibited in most regions because of the consequences that come with gambling.
When they talk about addiction, it's something one might not even know he or she is getting addicted to until they're already into it.

Some people do not even believe they're addicted to it, even when others tell them, so this is what an apostle of God shouldn't do because it ruins life's.

He might be able to control his gambling life, but what happens to that soul who is looking up to him and learning from him? They might not do the same and could destroy his own life. This is what makes it really bad for a leader to be involved.

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Quote from: Potato Chips on June 07, 2024, 03:37:19 PM

Could totally depend on the religion and its current followers in the area. I would say some maybe against it and some may not though, I assume more folks will be against it.

I've long left my religion so I don't really get the vision from god statements but I respect other people's beliefs. If they're a responsible gambler esp with a good cause and is careful how they use their platform when it comes to influencing their followers then, I don't see anything wrong personally. On the other hand, it's ultimately a big responsibility so wouldn't be surprised if folks played it safe by barring leaders from gambling completely.

Further, I also see nothing wrong from a casino banning him because they're running out of funds to pay him lol. It's actually a good move IMO.

Majority of the religions that I know are against with gambling. The reason why I’m not used to see a religious leader going into gambling and even winning consistently. However, if his religion do not go against with gambling casinos, then there’s no valid reason that he will be stopped from gambling. He has his own right to gamble as long as he is gambling responsibly, most especially that his gambling profits are set for a good cause.

Now talking about casino banning this person, I believe any casino has all the right to restrict or ban a certain gambler, as long as he’s considered a risk to the future of the gambling casino business.

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Quote from: Dailyscript on June 07, 2024, 03:03:43 PM

I still wonder what does religion get to do with gambling. After reading through the post i do not see any point of banning the person mentioned. He has his own difficulties in life so if he chooses to gamble that is his own decision. There is no law on gambling and its does not having anything to do with stealing or fraud. Am now sure that the local casino must have stopped him from gambling with them because he had won a lot of money not because he was a religious leader. This is because they had knew from the start that he was a religious leader before he starts gambling, and maybe they also think he makes use of his religious power

Well in some countries, religious beliefs is taken to some extent and I believe that was the base that the casino owners too used to feel that the religious leader is actually a step ahead because they feel, he is using superstitious way to get ahead and win. There are so many people who really takes these religious and superstitious believe to some extent and I have even seen crazier actions taken by people base on their beliefs system.

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This has to be a joke right?

How could a large establishment like a casino go bankrupt with an amount at the level of USD 30k? I know this is not the US but still. There's a base level of operating a business as large anywhere.
I believe this would probably be a publicity stunt by the priest to gain followers. Apparently prosperity preachers are a big thing with new wave christianity. These preachers have completely done away with teaching original Jesus' preachings of being humble and about how riches are a mortal sin, to going overboard saying if you pray you'll become wealthy and the poor deserve to be poor because they're not good men or some shit like that.

There's a funny comic about this called supply side jesus. Read it, you'll remember me.

I really hope this type of Christianity stops branching out to Africa because it's really quite destructive. Now even promoting gambling. God knows what they're gonna be up to next.

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Could totally depend on the religion and its current followers in the area. I would say some maybe against it and some may not though, I assume more folks will be against it.

I've long left my religion so I don't really get the vision from god statements but I respect other people's beliefs. If they're a responsible gambler esp with a good cause and is careful how they use their platform when it comes to influencing their followers then, I don't see anything wrong personally. On the other hand, it's ultimately a big responsibility so wouldn't be surprised if folks played it safe by barring leaders from gambling completely.

Further, I also see nothing wrong from a casino banning him because they're running out of funds to pay him lol. It's actually a good move IMO.

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Quote from: Fiatless on June 07, 2024, 12:31:36 PM

Do you think a religious leader should be involved in gambling?

If his religion doesn't prohibit gambling, then why can't he (Archbishop Emmanuel Mutumwa) gamble?

My opinion plays no role in this case. I’m not his (Archbishop Emmanuel Mutumwa) God to prohibit gambling.

Quote from: Fiatless on June 07, 2024, 12:31:36 PM

Do also accept his reason for engaging in gambling?

If the statements are true, then his (Archbishop Emmanuel Mutumwa) actions are justified by good intentions.

Quote from: Fiatless on June 07, 2024, 12:31:36 PM

Are these casinos right to ban him from gambling?

Of course not, because this (the possibility of the casino going bankrupt) is not a justification for a ban on gamblers.

This gambler plays within the rules and doesn't break anything. His only sin (from the casino's point of view) is that he wins.

Casinos in every advertisement offer gambling as a place to get rich. One gambler got rich and now he is forbidden to play just because he won? It sounds very absurd and hypocritical.

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Quote from: Fiatless on June 07, 2024, 12:31:36 PM

Archbishop Emmanuel Mutumwa, who is the leader of Johanne Masowe eChishanu Apostolic Sect has been banned from betting in local casinos because of excess wins. His current win was about US$30,000 and these casino operators fear that they might go bankrupt if he continues gambling with them.

But the acclaimed prophet claim that he receives winning games from God through vision. He further stated that with his numerous wins, he has been able to pay school fees and start businesses for members of his religious organization. While other religious leaders perceive his actions as sinful, he thinks his wins are an avenue to be a blessing to the needy.

Do you think a religious leader should be involved in gambling? Do also accept his reason for engaging in gambling? Are these casinos right to ban him from gambling?

Reference

Bulawayo prophet gambles, wins US$30,000 banned from casino

God’s Chosen Gambler?: Bulawayo Prophet Banned From Casinos for Winning Too Much

My concern is that a lot of people look up to him. The youths who have the energy to look for better sources of income will follow his lead and hope for winning games from God too so they can earn from gambling like their leader.

I am one person that sees gambling as a normal game anyone can play. The only problem is that most gamblers often abuse the game just so they can earn more than they should. It is the players that makes gambling look bad. The religious leader might be a good gambler, but can we say same for his followers who would want to imitate him? This is why it is important for any leader to be careful of the things he does or says because followers are always there observing, they will one day try to imitate and land themselves in trouble if they don't do it well. Gambling openingly with such huge wins will put the feelings of greed in the minds of the members, they will definitely abuse gambling if given the chance.

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I still wonder what does religion get to do with gambling. After reading through the post i do not see any point of banning the person mentioned. He has his own difficulties in life so if he chooses to gamble that is his own decision. There is no law on gambling and its does not having anything to do with stealing or fraud. Am now sure that the local casino must have stopped him from gambling with them because he had won a lot of money not because he was a religious leader. This is because they had knew from the start that he was a religious leader before he starts gambling, and maybe they also think he makes use of his religious power

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