Topic: RENTO BOUNTY MANAGER - cheating Signature Bounty. - page 4. (Read 1644 times)

How about the proof that my disclaimer was there and was not edited other than adding the contact information of the actual team. As a mod you should be able to see this. You should also be able to see that ebitico posted shortly below my original post, which I never updated on his request.

Had I been warned that people were being jipped of funds I would have locked the thread as stated. i've posted a warning on the thread now because i only learned shit was going sideways TODAY

What is this even supposed to mean? We're talking stakes here, not fixed numbers.

And here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.48265215

It looks like I didn't even edit it once now that I'm reviewing further.

The link above "ebitico" is the one scamming people.

You red trust me - he'll just get someone else to do his posting. He probably won't even care if you red trust his account. It's a basic account with no statistics. He probably has more of them. It took me years to build myself up here just to get slapped in one fell swoop like this from moderators.

I'm here to help recover funds any way I can. I've emailed this dope at the email I posted above. I don't feel it's fair to roast me because the owner of this project didn't follow through on his promises.

Also - what's even going on in the Telegram group, did anyone bother to reach out and check with this guy there?

The most recent bounty I've run/completed is here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/hlm-helium-campaign-thread-bounty-information-heliumpaycom-2104006

Everyone was paid out accordingly. The only delay was that the network was literally not even launched at the time. Once it was and the funds were available, all participants were paid accordingly adn exactly to the rules. I don't cheat people. I warning or contact from the mod would have been nice before painting me with red trust. I will still 100% to go bat for the people that got burned by this but it is simply not fair to fuck up years of me being an honest member on this forum for this.

More participants in a particular campaign then that campaign needs big allocation of tokens.

The only edit I can remotely remember posting was actually adding the telegram link for the team.

The thread was untouched otherwise, because as my disclaimer states I HAVE NO INVOLVEMENT OTHER THAN THE POST

This is the contact information of the person who request I post this shit bounty:

Illia Panashchenko <[email protected]>

Sorry again for the spam.. will stop till you guys get a chance to read. I've archived the page so you can see where the user ebitico edited the rules. He is the one scamming users. I have a less than 24 hour turnaround time since he edited the rules for someone to alert me so I could help. Up until this point not a single human being messaged me with concern that this bounty was a scam. Look at this post where he mentioned 1 stake = 1 token which was edited then look at my original post where that was NEVER present only the original rules.

https://archive.fo/zD0cq

I don't  know how it's  fair that I get red trust when there was nothing pointing to him scamming users until the last 24 hours... you could use this same logic on anything. What if a bank glitch stole your funds but worked fine for years and out of nowhere the money was gone. You going to go hurt a bank manager like it's their fault?


Also - greedy idiot?
  kind of harsh. I took a payment of 1eth to post this on their behalf the day it was posted. It wasn't about greed it was about personal need as my roommate had recently left me. So when someone I've dealt with previously and did not scam anyone in the past says "hey, can you post another one for me, I'll pay you" yes I took the opportunity. I will even share the email chain if you'd like to see it where I requested a higher payment AND offered to actually manage it for that increased pay. I was told that was not necessary, I need only post the announcement thread and their team would manage the rest. So i took the 1eth payment, said good luck and here we are. From that point until this very day I had no involvement. The person who requested this (whose contact information I posted earlier in this thread) successfully ran an ICO in the past so there was no indication to me there would be any scam. It's not my fault 6 months later that this guy changes the rules on a whim and I get tagged in red with no time to even address or respond to what's going on.

I'm archiving this thread as well so you can't decide to delete my proof that I'm not guilty of anything other than being blindsided by people on the default trust list that didn't bother to give me a chance to present my case or read the facts before crapping on my reputation.

I don't mean to offend anyone here but I'm obviously pissed off. I've been on this forum for 6 years now and you have jumped to the conclusion that I'm scamming people without first properly researching the facts. I don't want to lose this account to negative trust because of something this stupid.

My job was not to manage the thread, but to post it. The honesty was in my disclaimer, along with contact information for the Rento team.

Also, I'm not random.. I've been here for years and worked with various crypto teams including Emercoin, Terracoin, and Helium without a single complaint of dishonesty or scamming anyone.

To say I am HEATED right now is an understatement.

Also - I received no complaints of non payment. As a mod I'm sure you can sift though my pms and see this for yourself.

Ok, look at the original post I did on their behalf: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rento-bounty-avoid-not-currently-paying-users-their-fair-share-5076209

Then look at the post they edited here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.48265215

Which I quoted at the end of the thread so he can't remove it. He must have edited the 1 stake = 1 token thing in the past few days.

Here is a pic of their telegram admin trying to use that as proof:



And here's me being really fucking mad and awaiting a reply:

Lauda,

I reached out to mprep on this (i have copies of the message) regarding the actual thread for this Rento... mpreps advice was to warn the Rento team to not have bots post on the thread and lock the thread if they continued spamming.

Other than that I have no indication that shit would turn in to a shit show until I woke up to red trust today.

How did I catch negative trust for this?

I was involved in no way shape or form other than the post, as described here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.48253626

I've been on this forum for years and have never once scammed or been accused of scamming someone. This is pretty upsetting.

Mods - I'm hoping you can review this for me.

I'll reach out to the idiot team that had me post this and do whatever I can to help.

I don't remember, but it doesn't matter. If it turns out botched and you don't act on it as soon as possible, then I'll be the first to tag you, yes. It splits into two situations at this point:
1) Disclaimer is in thread. There should be some sort of proof that the disclaimer existed in the past (or at least pre-accusations). If it was added sometime later to protect OP after things became dodgy, then it's a tag.
2) Disclaimer is not in thread. Is alright if you can prove that you are truly not part of the project and acted as soon as possible.
The proper way to handle it would be to:
1) Edit the thread to make it clear that it is very dodgy or a scam (possibly even wipe it out), title as well.
2) Add link to discussion/accusation in thread.
3) Lock it.
Anything other than this three-step guide and I'll tag the OP.

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Do you want to guess how much time need to pass, and how many messages need to be sent (I'm sure the author received atleast a dozen already) before he comes whining "I didn't know"? Disclaimers do not absolve you of responsibility, and my belief is so strong that I wouldn't agree with someone's counter and would counter the counter. Way too many people have been hurt because of such nonsense.

You also showed a good point which I didn't notice about the edited post after 2.5 months.
It looks like he has edited a reserved post after 2.5 months to put his disclaimer thing, maybe he has realized about it later.

There is also a point that he never posted to that bounty thread again except the original post and the edited second post with his disclaimers.
Does it make sense that a bounty thread grew up to 410 pages and the bounty manager never needed to post in that thread in order to respond to his participants for any cause? I tried to find but haven't found one.


Last year I have contacted you for advice, do you remember? The case, when I was up for a deal to post a bounty thread for a project.
But I was in doubt and fear if the project turns to a scam and I went to you for a suggestion. You advised me to put a disclaimer clear and visible to protect myself and I did it!

I don't know what happened with that project as I never visited that bounty thread nor I have been contacted by anyone with any issue.
So my question is to you if that project turned out to be a scam then will you the first one to tag me?

#IhateScams

A disclaimer does not absolve you of not acting accordingly after the scam. The user is almost equally guilty as the project owners and/or bounty manager(s). If you don't want trouble and don't know what you're doing, then do not post threads on behalf of others because you are a low-life greedy idiot. You're welcome and #IhateScams.

You have shown us a good point but it is a matter of sorrow that the post has been edited about 2.5 months later of the bounty post. So there might have something else. Many people keep a reserve post and I think that has been edited 2.5 months later of the main post. And on that time this disclaimer added.

I saw the disclaimer now, where the bounty thread creator said,

OP had the conversation with someone from their official telegram group, an admin there. So it makes sense that they don't know how the stake system works and said it is 1 stake = 1 token.

In regards to the bounty poster, my question is, how appropriate is tagging craslovell who had a disclaimer saying he has nothing to do with the project. He is just posting on behalf of them.

I also posted a Bounty thread in the past on behalf of the team of that project and added a disclaimer as suggested by someone experienced here.

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Disclaimer: I know I'm not good at advocating, judging the cases. So if my above post hurts anyone please ignore my post and move on... Just think the post came out from a LOW BRAINER! TIA!

Matter of payment IMO, an experienced manager will ask for high payment. That's why most of projects just choosing inexperienced bounty managers.  

However, likely BM helping team to save fund or stake keep by himself, not sure since OP doesn't add any details. But stake should be distribute according to allocation of %, and it might be 1:1 by depends on participant of campaign. So send PM to bounty manager reply on this thread or add profile link so we can send PM to BM. 

This never happened or happens so rarely that nobody remembers such a case.

And according to the OP, the bounty manager has changed payment terms after the campaign and I usually do not see that 1 stake means 1 coin. I have seen a lot of projects where distribution happens allocated token/total stakes. Where 1 stake can be 10000 token or 0.003 tokens. I mean, I have not seen any terms where stake=token.

There goes the reason why bounty participants should also check the manage and his experience. Lot of them out there in service section have no idea of this and no idea regarding how to deal with some situations. Wonder why projects still happen to choose inexperienced and managers with no status at all.   

Random bounty manager? Check.
Zero management skills? Check.
Zero honesty? Check.

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URL to thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rento-bounty-avoid-not-currently-paying-users-their-fair-share-5076209.