Topic: [Request] 1 Merit to become junior member and access to bounties sub - page 2. (Read 2631 times)

Yeah, I have a same opinion with you.

So based on this I would like to suggest:

• I don't' think 1 Merit is not enough, at least 5 merits to become jr. member, and 20 to become member

• To make bounty board not accessible before reach jr. member rank would be a good idea!

• Force out the bounty managers to update the rules: no sig. campaign for jr. members + reject the application from member rank or above, who didn't receive at least 1 merit in last 30 days from moderators (local or global) or merit source, when applying for sig. campaign. In this way, I think the account farming will be worthless.

This isn't an excuse not to do anything. Going by this logic we should get rid of merit, activity and ranks because anyone can buy or farm an account. Even requiring one merit would help a lot. Good luck trying to get one merit on your dozens to hundreds of alt accounts you're farming to copy and paste on ICO campaigns. It puts a huge spanner in the works of abusers whilst not being that restrictive to everybody else and if you can't get one merit then you don't deserve to be a Junior Member or earn from signatures here.


This is just logical and needs to happen. Staff shouldn't have to be the defacto bounty managers for everybody who doesn't do their job. If a campaign is paying hundreds of bots and spammers then they should be the one to receive the ban as they're the direct cause of this.


It won't matter if there's still no merit requirement to become Junior. All they have to do is wait 2 weeks or so and make 30 spam posts then they're one and can spam away everywhere else and get paid for it by ICO campaigns. People will also just start registering via spreadsheets so they don't actually have to post in the Bounty board whilst still abusing everywhere else.


I'd prefer them being locked into the Bounty board. At least the disease is quarantined to that section then. It's when these bounty hunters join a sig campaign and start crapping all over the forum that is causing the most damage.

What is needed to partecipate in bounties, is the signature space, so no sig. space no spam( in principle).
Maybe could be put in place some system that activate the signature space when you reach a certain amount of merit or you have fulfilled some other requirement.
At the moment it could happen that user A farm 10 account to Jr. Member to join a signature campaign with all of them, with all the spam/posts required to be in it.

Keeping the current scenario in mind, it should be more than 1 merit to be eligible for bounties. Practically, it the bounty programs that decide minimum eligibility to participate. Some require just a user to post links about their projects everywhere (FB , Twitter or even this forum). Those programs do not care much about the knowledge or contribution of the members on this forum. Till the demand for such users is there, we will not see spam removed from bitcointalk completely.

I like this idea, it's nice and easy.

Just cut the forum (virtually) in two:
1) Bitcoin and Altcoin discussion (serious) (gaining activity and merit) and
2) ANN on Off-topic (no additional activity and no merit)

Make the users choose where they want to start to post. A user can only post in only one part, but can change this setting in every 30 days (or 60 days even better). (It's useless for bots and account farmers, they won't wait, they will register accounts for both sections).

So if newbies want, they can participate in any bounty and after if they have read a lot here and are interested in Bitcoin and serious things too, they can change their mind (and their settings too), but I'm afraid classic bounty hunters won't change at all...

This would cause that the serious section won't be spammed with bounty posts/signatures. I don't know if this would be OK for the companies running the bounties for their ICOs, because they will lose the serious part of the forum, their marketing won't reach the serious members of the crypto world (if they care about it at all, maybe they just need to present at the ICO rating websites that they have an active ANN thread in BTT and they have enough posts there daily...)

The serious section would still have the classic signature campaigns with reliable campaign managers, who will take care about the quality.

personally I believe that the bounty sub should be a reward and not a right. Members should be able to demonstrate a certain level of knowledge or commitment to be let into that area, and I think that 1 merit isn't enough - 10 or 20 should be the bar IMO..

If I had to guess, they probably fool themselves into thinking they're getting the right kind of attention.



I'm of the belief that the more dedicated spammers are the problem, it is no coincidence that LoyceV can pull up a list of 300+ newbies spamming the same phrase in multiple ICO/Bounty threads. This might be a good opportunity to allow the merit system to act as a gatekeeper for the "paths" (or these sections in general, and do away with paths). Consider having a threshold separate from those tied to ranking up, and that would be the criteria for entering the section(s) not allotted by your path.

Alternatively you could change the questions on timed/random intervals, potentially having members submit questions to be added into the next rotation, at least re-formatting the questions in such a way that an answer key would be obsolete or counter-productive.

With only 1% of the forum having received a single merit, I would say this is a rather impressive indicator that those with a merit are the users willing to operate and discuss in good faith (with a margin of error, of course). Allowing merit to be the litmus test for access to the bounties/altcoin/spam-hotbed/money-making sections almost certainly would do significant damage to our spam problem.

I think it is a fantastic idea. But it will not solve the problem. I noticed that there are two kinds of posts. Post for activity count and post for merit count. The forum allows for both. Most members are more concerned with post for activity than post for merit because the former guarantee you your being an active member, and in the event that you are running a signature campaign, your stakes. With that, they really don't care about the quality of their posts.

Not agree with 1 merit , many corrupted member's here 1 merit can be buy. So requirement of 1 merit will be merit abuse & opportunity for corrupted members for earning.

Agree with posting on Marketplace (Altcoins) &  disable signeture campaign for Jr. Members can prevent spam. This is the best way I guess to prevent spam.


Strongly disagree, it will encourage people to make multiples account. May be people will create one account for earn money and o other for discusses thing. That means who will choice make money he can't post any other section except bounty. It means he will not able to do signature campaign.

So why not just disable signature campaign instead of implement new members rank ?

I agree. I believe that most of newbies are only an alt account and spamming the forum to rank up to Jr member for signature bounties. It would be a nice idea if those bounties have minimum merit requirements to be eligible for participation. That way, they might try to ask their selves what are the best way to achieve merit.

They are spamming on other boards after all,  after they joined bounty campaigns.

Good for some? I think the number of people who will benefit to the quality over quantity of posts overweighs those who people who don't so it is better to force this idea and let's see what will happen

I am in favour of the request of 1 or 2 merit points to become a Junior because I have seen tens of alt-Juniors farming bounty campaigns - which means thousands of useless posts a day -  and it is going to continue since getting to Junior is just a question of just posting at the moment.

It would be hard for me to choose between money or knowledge, I want both, and probably a newbie would have an even bigger problem with that decision (or make an alt account since day 1).

Regarding the quiz, it is an excellent idea - upon registration the user could get a link to a thread with the very basics, like a 1 minute reading really, and be informed that he/she has to pass the test to become Junior. It is absolutely fine if the answers are eventually compiled because in any case the user will actually read the right answers and at least be aware of them.

I would avoid the English questions, there are local boards and non-English speakers can be active and be a good asset for their communities. Ideally, newbies should be pointed to rules in their own language.

Take a look here to get more informations :
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/merit-new-rank-requirements-2818350
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/forum-rankspositionsbadges-what-do-those-shiny-coins-under-my-name-mean-178608

It will be nice. Before now, I didn't even know a newbie don't need any merit to rank up to Jr member. It will even help to restrict multiple new accounts aiming to rank upto Jr member

Altough i started here on the forum with applying for bounties, upping my learning curve, i see the problems that come with these contests. I think that the only real solution is to disable the reply function on the Bounty pages. Only give room for the Announcement of a Bounty with links etc but let the actual Bounty tasks, reports and whatever outside this forum. There are already bountycampaign sites that take care of everything (Bountyhive as example). There are also projects that built there own bounty campaign site and run it succesfully (Bethereum or Aelf as example). That leaves the problem with the signature bounty, for that i suggest starting at member level. Let forum members proof themselves worthy by spending time here and making quality posts to reach member status. I think with these suggestions you filter out a lot of spammers, multiple accounts etc. Basically giving the problem back to the overheated ICO market, let them sort it out, but not in this forum. Keep going forward!

With regards   

Reset could be a possible solution.

By means of logging out every one and answer all the questions. These's could take an ample time to delete all the threads that are incorporated with the questions that will be present in the quiz.

I strongly agree to LoyceV's suggestion. All of them were already discuss on other topics here in meta. If none of these could implemented soon more and more spammers will be born.(devil's to be born  )

Yes, if i think the way you think then it is right but nowadays people buy merits so the thing that you are saying may not work . There are hundreds of spams that have been given 10+ merit .

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32216177

If they didn't create a self-moderated topic then they can't delete it ofc but at least they should report the spammy posts in their topic.
And at this point, as stated, enforcing self-moderated topics for bounties isn't a bad idea. Let them assume their responsibility.


Ok, it may work, we need to generate many questions, same question could be asked in different manners, it needs to be shown one by one so it may confuse them a little bit.

I would suggest allowing them to still post in the Beginners section, and allow them to accumulate merit points. You could then increase the requirement above from Jr Member to Member as I feel it's still too easy to reach Jr Member. I think the quiz is a somewhat good idea, and randomizing the order of the questions/checkboxes would likely prevent certain automated bots from answering the questions. At least then it would require them to make a more sophisticated bot to actually bypass the system.

I'm sure Jetcash would be interested in helping with the English knowledge part.

Yes man, you right I find abusers in almost every bounty, some of reports are here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.31449020 (reported so far around 200 abusers/multi/scammers) and guess what? They still have stacks!
The sad part is that I find the cheats only posting my work without searching them, if I really start looking for them I could find hundreds of cheaters but I'm not paid to do the job of a manager
Many managers simply do not care and the reason it's clear, they works a couple of days a month and take a lot of money with a rough job.
(Some managers are really good on what they do)
I have cool ideas to improve the quality of bounties and one day I will post them.