@BobLawblaw hope you are reading brother.
I am reading this. If you think this is a serious thread, you need to go fuck yourself.
Anyone should be able to recognize and/or appreciate a certain level of parody and fun, but I doubt that the parody and fun is quite as obvious as Bob is suggesting it to be - when there is a certain kind of tinge to his own inabilities to control his own emotions and sending a kind of spiteful message while at the same time saying.. "I am only joking; I am only joking."
Surely trolls do that and it can be quite annoying even though sometimes even the trolls end up either making decently good points or the responses to the trolls end up contributing valuable substantive information..
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I remembered that once Nutildah requested him to stop helping spammers and below us the answer given by Jay
Yes.. propose to theymos that merits are "turned off" in the WO thread and see what happens.
Maybe, also
(or as a potential back-up plan.... PlanB so to speak), you should propose that he (or anyone else who might "care") removes me
(aka yours truly, aka this here cat) as a source
(of problemas), since I don't seem to "know how" to exercise the discretion of my own wee widdo selfie verry goodie?
or alternatively, you may well want to proclaim that I am not able to sufficiently/adequately identify which post(s)
in these here parts MOAR deserve(s) dddddeeeeeeeee wwwwuuuuuvvvvvvvssssss
(#nohomo) in accordance with your own views upon these kinds of wuvie duvie matters.
Or alternatively, even to that last alternative, you might consider showing the powers that be within this here forum that this place,
WO and otherwise, needs a "merit czar," and you happen to know
just the right peep who is ready, willing and able to take on such duties.
It's likely that I had nearly 10 posts responding to these kinds of questions of smerit sending in the WO thread, and the above response remains largely representative of my thoughts on the topic, for anyone who might be able to interpret what I am saying through the attempt at poking fun at the seeming nonsense positions in which some forum members seem to be overly concerned about the smerit sending and/or merit receiving practices in the WO thread.
Lol.
I can see that as there are several WO regulars in this thread, it is becoming a WO-style one and not a typical Meta thread, because of the overquotes for example.
I am the only one who misses
JJG writing a couple of short paragraphs as is usual for him on the topic here? He hasn't even written in
the other one, of which this one is a parody, I understand.
Even you might realize, Poker Player, that I am not quite capable of ONLY writing a couple of paragraphs... even though surely this topic (including the related thread that you link) may well ONLY be worthy of a couple of paragraphs, at most.
Initially, when I saw this thread and the other one, I thought that maybe I should just let them play out for a while before chiming in or even before sending any smerits regarding points that were being made in the thread(s) - especially, since several times I had already given my opinions regarding the topic, and so this particular "parody" thread likely made the topic more targeted towards me, and probably ended up saying what Nutildah was wanting to say, but a bit more directly.. hahahahaha.... and in the end, to really show how dumb both of the threads are.. even though each thread has gotten quite a few responses (even some decent and informative responses) and even quite a few votes (relatively speaking) in terms of actually showing that members are willing to entertain and support such dumb, ill-thought out and even spiteful ideas/proposals (even though they are framed as if they were "valid concerns" that deserve something less than a bat slappening).
There actually were some decently good posts in each of these two threads, especially when LoyceV attempted to put some numbers on the matter, and I recall that earlier on, I was pretty low on those charts showing the meriting of banned members, and it seems that recently my numbers had gone up quite a bit.. and perhaps some of my practices did change in the last year or so in regards to my thinking that it is a good idea to attempt to send more smerits to newbies and/or low ranking members.
I do recall some places/instances where I would send smerits to seemingly disingenuine posts (posters) who had brought up good points on whatever topic was the thread (whether WO thread and/or other forum threads).. for example, in the art thread, the pumpkin carving thread and the pizza thread, I sent smerits to almost any member who made a submission in those contests that seemed to be their own original work (or the work of their family member), even if it might have been a pizza made with noodles and corn or some other ridiculous idea of what would be considered a pizza.
So yeah, it may be the case that I had increased some of my sending smerits to banned members through my more recent practices of attempting to send more smerits to newbie accounts (or relatively newbie accounts), and even identifying AI submissions is not always easy to accomplish, even though it might seem apparent after the fact.
For example, I recall sending two or three smerits to a member who ended up being an AI, and I was starting to get my suspicions after the second or third merit that I sent, but then once a member pointed out the AI angle of that particular member (who likely ended up getting banned), then it became more apparent.. and the same could end up being true for the identification of plagiarized content, and beyond maybe common-sensical practices, so far there have been no requirements that merit source members need to be able to identify plagiarized content (or employ advanced plagiarism/Ai detection tools to figure out what is plagiarized or what is AI generated) when sometimes, it is might not be very obvious.
Even though in the other thread, LoyceV pointed out a few of theymos's guidances in regards to smerit sending, including that he would like to see that there are attempts by merit sources to merit objectively better quality posts, yet many of us likely realize that there are a lot of subjective aspects involved in regards to putting smerit sending into practice, and rules about supposed objective quality of posts are not as high as members seem to want to assert them as being or should that the rules should be turning smerit senders into objective standard robots.. which really would not be very practical..
And at the same time, theymos has the ability to remove any merit source member or to reduce or to increase the quantity of their source merits at any time and for any reason or for no reason at all.
Surely, there is quite a bit of discretion in terms of whether to send any smerits or how much due diligence that any merit source member exercises prior to sending smerits, and many times, I had suggested that there might be some benefits to the forum to rotate merit sources and/or to retain more merit source members - yet many folks likely realize that if such an increase in merit source management tactics were to be carried out, either theymos is going to have to do a lot more work or he is going to have to find a member who he believes would be a good fit in terms of carrying out some kind of merit czar type duties - which surely has its own trade-offs and even potential for drama... but not necessarily something that would not end up working out in the end, after members got used to some of the changes and theymos and such merit czar to come were to work out their own merit czar performance expectations.
Maybe this part of my response should go in the other thread, but with regards to the WO thread specifically, we have already known that since the beginning of the merit source system (in early 2018), the WO thread disproportionately spread the most smerits in comparison to any other forum thread, so nutildah's assertion that the WO thread has gone downhill in the last year seems to NOT be supported by actual reality, even though it is quite likely that the word has gotten out that there are a bunch of softies (or potential softies) (perhaps including but not limited to yours truly) in the WO thread who will send smerits to almost any crap bitcoin-related post that is submitted therein.
By the way, prior to early 2018, I rarely ventured outside of the WO thread, but I have not really stopped reading many of the WO thread posts - even though sometimes I may or may not understand them prior to determining whether to send an Smerit.. which is similar to other threads in which I send smerits.
I do not claim to understand or even agree with everything that I send smerits to whether in the WO thread or in other forum threads, so the extent to which I engage in any due diligence beyond searching my memory banks about the poster (which may or may not be good) may well vary depending on a variety of factors including how much time I feel that I have available to research into any matter or other physical things that might be going on in the real world of my lil selfie or other things that I might be attempting to do at the time that I decide whether to send an smerit and whether to look further into the matter before hitting the "send" button.
JJG is busy - he will join the party soon trust me. He will appear when the thread is half -dead and bring it back alive
There may be some truth in that. I did feel that I needed to read this whole thread first, and then that I also needed to read that other thread too..., but I am not going to claim that I understood anything that was posted in this thread or in that other thread.
Edit: Whether regarding this thread or the other one, I forgot to mention there seem to be various elitism aspects in regards to the raising of these "concerns," but also several of the proposed solutions have similar elitism angles.. and sure,
LoyceV's bringing up theymos's posts in the other thread on the topic of theymos's regrets about his earlier implementation of newbie jail goes to the same sentiment in respects to how ideas about the supposed problem and the various proposed solutions are out of touch with the right and with the better ways of going forward with concerns that might exist or develop in respect to alleged abuses on the forum (perhaps related to merit abuses and perhaps related to the WO thread and perhaps not as much as these abuses are described as "problems")...
Again at least, these seem to be proposed remedies in search of a problem, but likely worse these seem to be proposed remedies that would end up creating more problems than they resolve.
