Topic: Requesting for a Bengali translation and Press release sub board (Read 968 times)

Yes, translations are not bad, what's bad are bad translations.
And we will weed out abuser's bad translations, while we will reward quality translations. It'll be checked by several established local board members.
Yes, we want quality translations. That's why we are going to check all the translations.
If your translation is legit, everything is fine.  

---

I think his comment was more meant like "just because some local board members complained about bad translations, [we need a solution]". Maybe there's a "not" too much in that sentence as well because FinePoine0 has requested a translation from me as well, so banning translations wouldn't be something, I feel, he would advocate for.
Or he was referring to certain bad translations to get banned (which got exposed), not banning translations in general.
I've read it several times and I don't get the meaning.

We'll simply set up a topic dedicated to checking local board translations to weed out bad translations, as discussed.
It's not ready yet but as soon as it's ready I'll link it here.  
I've a draft already but I'm a bit busy, so probably next 7 to 10 days, when it'll be 100% ready.  

Such a "badge" could consist in a feedback left by the author of the original text to the translator, similar to the feedbacks left my 1miau or me. It would represent a recognition of translator's work (or, by case, a warning -- similar to the feedback I felt to gagux123 for his unprofessional attitude regarding translations).

Unfortunately, theymos won't patch the forum just to include the translator badge. A translation needs a lot of effort to do it. So, awarding translations is not bad. The problem is, that the authors do not have a way to judge the quality of translations unless someone from that local helps.

It is good that you guys pointed out the bad translations and the author also looked into it as 1miau already said, he will ask us or other native speakers to check the translation before he rearwards. The matter is kind of solved now. So DVlog brother, I suggest you to lock this thread to avoid repeated discussion of same thing that we already discussed.

The root cause of this problem will be solved if merit sources stop distributing so much merit for translation and are more selective when accepting someone's request for translation. Some newbies want to rank up and they want to do that fast. They look for possible way from where they can get a lot of merit. Perhaps if we could give a recognition badge to all the skilled translator that could be enough as a reward.

Dude, how can anyone ban someone from translating something? Even if basing on copyright, if someone will find something really interesting which will want to share on his local board he can even retell the main point in his own words. If not to be bothered with merit farming, you can share nearly any interesting and important information on your local board, just don't forget to leave links on a source of that info.

Buddy, what you are proposing here is wrong. You can't ban translation just because of some fraudulent translations. The author could make a rule that "new members won't be accepted for translation". Also, all the local boards have very senior members. They can review the translations before they are accepted. That way, unqualified translations would be removed. Also you could report unqualified translation to the original author. That will help them take action against them.

The OP made the post because our local board/thread (Bangla) had some fraudulent translations. But if you look closely, you'll find many good translators in our Bangla community. We also have a DT member, Little Mouse. We have good members, like Learn Bitcoin and Crypto Library. These members can review those translations before they are posted. So yes, as you can see, banning is not the solution.

Read all the pages. Other members have already given the solution. Especially the last commemt by 1miau.  

I'm a normal user so my words won't be that useful. If you like what I say, give it some thought. Translation is not bad, you can learn a lot in your native language by translating (because not everyone can be proficient in English). Because there is no end to human learning?, so all the local boards that have bad comments about the translation, ban the translation on those boards. Also make translation free on other native boards that would be the best strategy/justice.

I will make one, I've already stated it here:


Having a bit patience won't hurt!

I'm not intending to have all of my topics translated. Everyone should read them and if they deem, it's a nice article for a translation, they can request it in each topic.
I might add further rules, if there's abuse happening or might reject translations of course, after local board members confirm here that it's a low-quality translation. We need high-quality translations, so by providing low-quality translations, no one is doing anyone a favor.
Because like in fillippone's topic, applicants for translations should know some basics like avoiding pyramid quotes, reading the topic before applying and then, they would have seen that the topic was already translated etc.


For now, we will just check each translation if it's a fraudulent one and if so, it'll get rejected and possibly a DT tag as well. Easy job to get rid of abusers. 

---

Most likely yes, most translations are legitimate ones and I believe a good translation also deserves a reward, so we are going to check each translation in detail, at least for new translators. We might skip to check proven translators or only check translations on a case to case basis and local board members can also report fraudulent translations in that topic.
Doing so will probably reduce fraudulent translations by 95%, which should be fine already.
You could request checks for your translation in my new topic as well. 

---

So far, at least for my recent translations, there wasn't any abuse happening as I've checked them by local board members via request.
And all of the recent translations haven't received any reward or in case it needs an improvement, the translators are willing to improve their translations.
Outright fraudulent translations would have been spotted + rejected.

I believe the problem are rewards here. Fraudulent translations won't get any reward but instead offering the risk to catch a (negative) tag. And the translation would be up for translation again. That should be incentive enough to prevent abuse.
I would like to give everyone an opportunity to do a translation and simply checking each translation by local board members seems to be the easiest way to confirm it. 

These users trying to abuse it. Since you guys do not understand their native language, they are using this as a chance to trick you guys and lure some merits. The topics should not be translated just for merits but the translator should understand what they are writing and the importance of the topic. Good to see you guys understand that something is not right.

How it will be if you guys set a rule like invites only? All of you guys know some members who have translated your topics and you can invite them to translate if you create new content. I have seen this invite only system in a signature campaign. 

Same here.
I answered one of those requests here , but I didn’t come to the same drastic conclusion. I tend to believe it is only an inexperienced user, rather than a deliberate attack but of course this particular user made every possible effort trying to be annoying. 

Hehe, thanks for mentioning me here, lovesmayfamilis! But I am not sure why I've been mentioned though Oo I see it's a topic mentioning some poor translations and a spam from Bengali board -- which I am aware of but, other than that, I have really no idea why you mentioned me.

---

However, since I am making this post, I would like to share a few things about my perspective about translations of my threads.

As some of you may know, I have a topic containing my most important essays, which I wanted to have translated in other languages. So far my writings were translated 113 times, in 11 languages.

During time, I came to the conclusion to not collaborate with users of low ranks. They have no idea what they're doing and they are looking only for merits and they do very ridiculous translations, using automated translating tools. Usually, I am not collaborating with ranks lower than Full Member. I gave the chance to a few ones with lower ranks and I was very disappointed, thus I rejected their translations.

DYING_S0UL is, perhaps, the only exception, as I collaborated with him since he had only the Member rank. He also made some mistakes at beginning but then he understood my standards and he followed them precisely. I was really impressed by him, as he did all the translations from a phone (!!!), because he does not have a computer. I really don't know how he managed to do them. I was determined after I saw his first translation to never collaborate with him again, as he irritated me a lot when he sent me all the content without any text formatting, without the header which I always ask for etc (now I'm smiling while writing these) -- but after that he corrected everything and all his other translations were exemplary. He followed precisely all my corrective feedback and I can say that I was amazed by the way he acted since then.

And, speaking about my standards, I can say that they are not high, but very high. Those which collaborated with me can confirm this. Look, for example, at all translations of my topics and observe how that header is the same for each translation. For each translation I request a preview before being published. The translator can publish it only after my approval. If he does this in a different manner our collaboration is over. When I inspect the translation I check precisely all text formatting, to match the original. The translators I worked with can confirm how many times I told them to use Italic font here, a comma there, to delete an extra space and so on. All translations of my topics follow precisely the original text format. Regarding the content, in most of occasions I checked it with users natives in the respective languages, which I trusted and / or which collaborated with me previously, thus I knew they could grant if a translation was good or not.

Merit-wise, I sent amounts between 4 and 15 merits for the translations. Most of them received 5 merits. I only awarded more merits to 2 topics of mine which are huge, and only if I was very pleased about the translation and also only if I had sMerits left. Since I am not a Merit Source I could not send bigger amounts for the translations, although I wished I could do it in some cases.

Besides, I translated more than 50 essays, the most important being the official white paper of Bitcoin, which is now posted on bitcoin.org. When I translated topics made by other users I also mentioned to them all the typos and errors I found in their original text, together with some suggestions of mine, including rephrasing of some parts. Practically I offered free proofreading for all the topics I translated. 1miau and fillippone, for example, can confirm that.

What I'm trying to say is that I always took this activity very seriously, either if I was the translator or if someone translated my essays. My zero-tolerance for spam avoided any translation spam generated by my posts.

I hope this post help the other users which want to have their topics translated in foreign languages and also those which are willing to perform translations.

---

You can make a portfolio with your translation, similar to this one. There you'll have all your translations listed and not buried by other posts.

You should make a thread. Where not only your post everyone who have the posts which deserves translations and much have information which help others can be applied for translation.

Or make a code where a member can apply with a post link (not only your posts) and with his/her rank and the language in which he/she will translate.

One more thing I will recommend only accept Full Member or above ranks this will also reduce the fraudulent activities and rush of applications.

This is just a suggestion others may disagree. Or give more suggestions.   😉

May I ask who did this?
You can also send me a PM, if you don't want to reply here.  

---

Yes, it's difficult to prove. But we can watch these account and when they try to enroll in a campaign, we can try to connect their wallets due to Blockchain analysis and give out appropriate trust, if there's abuse ongoing like joining the same campaign with multiple accounts.  

---

@everyone
I'm getting bombarded with translation requests today, really doesn't look legitimate and therefore I've locked all of my topics for now to ensure all translations are good quality.
I'll set up a topic like discussed above in Meta or in Reputation, where everyone can give his 2 cents about a translation and only in case several DT members from each local board in question will approve it, I'll give out a reward and add these approved translations to my list.
Low quality will be rejected.
Massive and / or repeated abuse due to low quality translations might lead to a trust entry.

I'll link my topic here, when I'm ready but could take a while, probably early next week.  

This is the only problem. we do not have proof to connect the alt account but it's obvious who owns which account.


There is no problem if someone decides to spend all his earned merits in his local thread. The problem is in which post did you spend it and who was the receiver? Do you see any prominent members name in this list except for one or max two? I don't really want to discuss these things because it will make our locals look very very bad. I will refrain myself commenting on this matter from now. But if I can connect the them, I will tag them first and then let everyone know.

I did gave him a warning, though. And the next day, he deleted his translation. It's still in the archive, but I see no reason to bring it up. If he does it again, I'll report it on the reputation board this time.


Here is a little example. Every sMerit was distributed in the local thread. Not even a single sMerit on the global board. All these merits are cycling in local threads, creating a farming network. Even if one or two sMerits got out of the local thread, they ended up with local members. I didn't mentioned any user's name, but I'm sure you guys already know these users. I immediately stopped sending out my sMerits after realizing this. Although there is no evidence of any kind abuse, but I know you guys can feel that something is wrong/fishy.

If there's abuse ongoing and you have proof, feel free to open a topic in Meta / Reputation about it and present your proof. I'll review your reports and if other members from your local board agree to your report, I might issue a translation ban for certain members or even leave a trust feedback.

Alright, I'll try to create a topic to weed out bad translations, where everyone can contribute his 2 cents.
I've just received a bunch of new requests, so I'll list all of them in my new topic. I would start next week to create that topic and will link it here as well, of course.
Everyone would be invited as well to report bad translations from his local board.  

---

If it's a bad translation and several members from your local board agree, that it's a bad translation, the translator is to blame because he didn't provide a quality translation.
So, no worry to "ruin" someone's reputation, all they need is to provide a quality translation.  
I'm sure we'll find a good solution, where abusers are caught and quality translators get rewarded.

The problem is, that we don't want to ruin others' reputations. But if they take this chance and utilize it in a bad way, this is not going to be good for them or for the local community. There are some genuine users and genuine users feel like they are writing a useless post because they see that shit posts getting merited in front of their eyes while genuine users only watch them. We always want to give them the benefit of doubts but now they are using it.

I already suspect this and even criticize it on our local board. This guy will reveal their true color one day for sure. We already have some eagle eyes in the forum so what they are doing will be caught eventually one by one. I also saw how these accounts were circulating merit from one account to another. So if somehow one of them got a merit from the global board these people would earn them eight merits by circulating them through all of these eight accounts. 

After all these topics regarding which boards we need, we have already seen Requesting for a Bengali translation and Press release sub board and Request for a board of made-up stories by Poker Player. @DVlog, you should step up and create an application thread and the title should be Request for a board to Congratulate ranked up members (Dedicated to Bengali only). It's ridiculous how our locals jump up to congratulate others with the hope that they will get some merits. A total of eight members congratulated a guy because he ranked up even though I believe these are not eight different people. Max three people controlling these eight accounts.

Even a month ago, everything was fine. Some users saw that translation can be weaponized to earn merits to rank up easily. That's why they started translating with Google Translator. I assume they thought you wouldn't notice, as you did not have any idea about our language. The fact that they were abusing the system really disturbed some of us. I issued several warnings and reports. Some deleted their AI translation, some didn't. One guy made a post saying what my problem was with him and his translation, even though I showed everyone he has been using Google for the whole translation. Not using a single word of his own. Lastly, DVlog's post was able to stop them from abusing.

---

Just like the AOBT thread, you can make another thread dedicated to those who checks the quality of a translation. To verify the authenticity of their translation. For every language, 3–4 reputed users should be sufficient, in case some are busy. You know? Like some sort of a gang.