Bengali are mad because their greed is high I entered Bengali board as a tourist. And got to see some samples. Basically he did all these things for the purpose of getting merit.
The motive to get merit has awakened in them, due to which they learned to use translate post one after another.
Topic: Requesting for a Bengali translation and Press release sub board - page 3. (Read 1011 times)
October 21, 2023, 06:19:01 PM
October 21, 2023, 05:21:16 PM
It sounds illogical to ask for a Bengali sub board for Bengali translation and press release because we don't have any local boards yet. But the way the Bengali board is hammered with translated topics and news source posts, it looks like spamming to many of us.
well I will also support that Bangladesh should be given a local board but I don't think that these spamming issue will be solved just by giving board. Actually newbie has no interest in current active discussion and they just transalte news with one image and source link or the transaltion that you pointed out. Once the post has been translated then it should be discussed for some days to learn something. If translation purpose is just to get Merits then It is not good because it will only grow spamming.
As a native speaker, I can say that very few translators met the translation standard, and most of the translation was done by Google Translator and later edited a little bit and reposted. I can not blame global members for contributing to those topics, as they can not speak the language and have little understanding of it.
I think the better solution is that reputed and experienced members of your country approve some quality transalator and also inform the original post creator about it and whenever newbie want to start transaltion then first prove himself that he could do a quality transaltion and will not spam in the board.
October 21, 2023, 05:08:33 PM
It sounds illogical to ask for a Bengali sub board for Bengali translation and press release because we don't have any local boards yet. But the way the Bengali board is hammered with translated topics and news source posts, it looks like spamming to many of us.
This is a good request you have just raised to ask the permission for granting you a sub board, but to make your request more presentable, let me ask you to do one additional task, you can edit the whole post and make it looks more official because you're directing it to the admin, show some additional informations or statistics of active members you have engage in your discussion and many more other things to add up to your chances of receiving higher considerations.
October 21, 2023, 04:02:02 PM
Well if you ask me, hate news waly post yahan. Agar ap nay news share karny ha to telegram group ha post kar dyn, don’t need to translate too. Avyn itna time bhy aya kartay han us c behtar ha utna time kisy achy cheez ko do takeh kuch learn kar lo. Change the scope/ think out of box, news wgera posting nay new commers ko bus ky batty kay peechay laganay waly baat h, koi faida nai.
Haha, Dear, I'm not sure how many times I've pointed this out in our community well some do follow and some don't we cant do anything about it, except not to support them.
Making the posts out of this particular context (News Posting) will really consume time and energy to study the topic and after that share the experience and insights of that topic, after putting in this effort they can question themselves by just posting the top stories and hot topics they can simply achieve their target as other doing so.
October 21, 2023, 03:44:00 PM
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But the way the Bengali board is hammered with translated topics and news source posts, it looks like spamming to many of us.
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But the way the Bengali board is hammered with translated topics and news source posts, it looks like spamming to many of us.
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Dont know who learned from whom, but the Pakistani community got a few translators too
I love how they waste their time by putting effort in translations. Yes, They are getting a translation skill and I hope one day that skill might help them somewhere. Posted this few hours ago in Pakistani thread Well if you ask me, hate news waly post yahan. Agar ap nay news share karny ha to telegram group ha post kar dyn, don’t need to translate too. Avyn itna time bhy aya kartay han us c behtar ha utna time kisy achy cheez ko do takeh kuch learn kar lo. Change the scope/ think out of box, news wgera posting nay new commers ko bus ky batty kay peechay laganay waly baat h, koi faida nai.
It says, I dislike such posts and if they want to share a piece of news we have Pakistan community telegram channels, and they can share the news without putting an effort into translations. Easy peasy. Why waste time on translation, just for one post which have no purpose as everyone these days have X/twitter and they an easily go through the latest news if they follow the right people. Its not like they are getting any merits for posting such stuff, why they are not posting, what going in their mind at the time of posting no idea, other night shed a light on that.
October 21, 2023, 12:47:57 PM
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OP You've raised a serious topic anyway I won't be committing to what your community members are doing but I would lie to say News posting with a special format is perfect spam.
A News Headline
A Screenshot or Thumbnail
A source
A typical comment on News
AFAIK there's nothing wrong with translating the topics and getting reards from the OPs's even if they are using this tactic to rank_up at least they are putting in some effort and contributing something but the significant scenarios, OP you've mentioned using translating tools and minor edits on it should be wiped with some strong actions against such members by dropping at least Neutral for translation spam or even Negative if they've found guilt consistently.
Mostly Such tactics are used by the account farmers and it is not that hard in the local community to track them, TBH merit sources should double-check before sending merits.
October 21, 2023, 11:30:04 AM
It sounds illogical to ask for a Bengali sub board for Bengali translation and press release because we don't have any local boards yet. But the way the Bengali board is hammered with translated topics and news source posts, it looks like spamming to many of us. I am not against translating informative topics created by global members with permission, but some members are using it as a loophole to rank up quickly. Every time someone translates a topic their post has been rewarded with 10 to 20 merits. As a native speaker, I can say that very few translators met the translation standard, and most of the translation was done by Google Translator and later edited a little bit and reposted. I can not blame global members for contributing to those topics, as they can not speak the language and have little understanding of it.
There is nothing bad about ranking up but this loophole has been noticed by many new members who are also trying to use the same kind of tactics to attract merit sources, which leads to spamming the board. There are countless informative topics on the global board that can be translated into every local language, but that doesn't mean we need to translate them all at once. Translation should be done when the necessity of that topic arises.
Your statement of "Translation should be done when the necessity of that topic arises" is totally wrong, like, I do agree with you that, many new members or old members try to translate topics even in my community many members try to do that, but I don't think the factor of necessity is worth to be mention here. Because there is no necessity at all but it's an open opportunity. There is nothing bad about ranking up but this loophole has been noticed by many new members who are also trying to use the same kind of tactics to attract merit sources, which leads to spamming the board. There are countless informative topics on the global board that can be translated into every local language, but that doesn't mean we need to translate them all at once. Translation should be done when the necessity of that topic arises.
If you think newcomers are doing wrong work, like using translators to translate the topics into the local language, and if that is against the rules of the OP of the topic, then you can open a case of it, easily. Or you can tell the OP of the topic about it.
Besides all that, the reward that those OPs gave, either of 10 merits or 20, it is obviously not fixed, of course, they will reward you if they would like your work, but overall, you should encourage your local guys, to be creative and be legit too while translating the topics. If they still ignore you, just open a case and leave it to the moderators or DTs of the forum.
October 21, 2023, 10:39:22 AM
I think GazetaBitcoin has a good understanding of who can translate correctly and who is just looking for a good translator to avoid detection.
I have done multiple translations for Gazeta and he was always pleased with my work. To be honest, as a translator myself, I know that there is no magical tool to translate any content organically. None!!! I always had to use my own words. Sometimes I would even write down my translations on my diary in order to review them later properly. Yes, whenever I was stuck, I would PM him and use google to understand what it meant. But no copying, of course.
But some users are abusing this system in order to earn quick merits, which is kinda sad.
October 21, 2023, 09:56:31 AM
I think GazetaBitcoin has a good understanding of who can translate correctly and who is just looking for a good translator to avoid detection.
LOL. How did you find this post? I am kinda regular there but I did not notice this one before now. That user was looking for another tool to translate it so it does not look like he has used Google translator. It's like I am searching for a tool so it does not look like I have used a tool. Similar to generate a content using AI and using spinbot that will shuffle those words so AI detectors cannot detect it as AI written post. This is funny and sad at the same time. We are not going to learn these things. All we want is how we can do things easily and faster and we expect maximum result.
His intention was obvious. He figured out that using Google translator won't help him create organic translation and he must be thinking all those quality translations were done through tools which is not true. I assume he already looked for one on Google, but it wasn't better than google Translator, so asking an experienced translator is the easiest and most logical.
October 21, 2023, 09:43:09 AM
I think GazetaBitcoin has a good understanding of who can translate correctly and who is just looking for a good translator to avoid detection.
LOL. How did you find this post? I am kinda regular there but I did not notice this one before now. That user was looking for another tool to translate it so it does not look like he has used Google translator. It's like I am searching for a tool so it does not look like I have used a tool. Similar to generate a content using AI and using spinbot that will shuffle those words so AI detectors cannot detect it as AI written post. This is funny and sad at the same time. We are not going to learn these things. All we want is how we can do things easily and faster and we expect maximum result.
October 21, 2023, 09:08:09 AM
It requires a separate topic and time to create.
If you have time that would be great or at least create a similar topic to -----> AI Spam Report Reference Thread (Bengali Spam Report Reference Thread)
I really wanted to, but it requires time and energy to moderate such a topic. My current profession requires most of my attention, so I think I will not be able to do that. But there are other members of our local board who have the expertise and knowledge to maintain such a topic. Learn Bitcoin, LDL, Little Mouse are some potential candidates to moderate such topics. I hope one of them or someone from our local board will start doing a thread like this.
October 21, 2023, 08:47:49 AM
It requires a separate topic and time to create.
If you have time that would be great or at least create a similar topic to -----> AI Spam Report Reference Thread (Bengali Spam Report Reference Thread)
I've gathered some who signed up in October. You can find a lot of similarities in their posts and design posts. Also, check their stories; not a single account will make you feel like this is the person’s first time on the forum.
This sounds great, but since the main goal of all these accounts is profit, if this group was of random people from Bangladesh, I think some of them would report bad posts in the hope of getting merits, so creating a separate topic in reputation board would be appropriate.
October 21, 2023, 08:47:20 AM
They say that everything repeats itself in the world. I also remember the words of The Sceptical Chymist that if something can be misapplied on the forum, there will always be those who will do it.
The Russian section also had a topic on translations. The same struggle was going on there; merits were given for translations, and many suddenly became translators, thereby quickly rising in rank.
Similarly, there were accusations that someone used Google Translate. You can look at the topic; the hunt for merit is always obvious.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3251187.3240 There were a lot of misunderstandings about translations.
I think GazetaBitcoin has a good understanding of who can translate correctly and who is just looking for a good translator to avoid detection.
The Russian section also had a topic on translations. The same struggle was going on there; merits were given for translations, and many suddenly became translators, thereby quickly rising in rank.
Similarly, there were accusations that someone used Google Translate. You can look at the topic; the hunt for merit is always obvious.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3251187.3240 There were a lot of misunderstandings about translations.
I think GazetaBitcoin has a good understanding of who can translate correctly and who is just looking for a good translator to avoid detection.
বাংলায় অনুবাদ করার জন্য গুগল ট্রান্সলেটর বাদে আমি অন্য কি উপায়ে অনুবাদ করতে পারি যদি কেউ একটু বুঝিয়ে বলতেন?
অগ্রিম ধন্যবাদ।
অগ্রিম ধন্যবাদ।
October 21, 2023, 08:45:24 AM
In addition, they create low-quality themes, adding only a link and a picture. A newcomer who knows about forum image hosting from the very first days brings a smile.
To stop this chaos, I have tagged a few enterprising people who post news simply by copying and pasting, and as soon as they stop doing this, I will remove the neutral tag from them.
The forum is not against alternative accounts, but when it looks very defiant and shameless, you need to respond somehow.
Some of the shitposters and those who only post source link I already left them a natural tag which remains only as a feedback you can see in my trust option. I am a Bengali and regularly read Bengali board posts so I keep an eye on them. And when they do the same thing again after I warn them several times, I tag themTo stop this chaos, I have tagged a few enterprising people who post news simply by copying and pasting, and as soon as they stop doing this, I will remove the neutral tag from them.
The forum is not against alternative accounts, but when it looks very defiant and shameless, you need to respond somehow.
There are many such shitposters and spammers not only in bangla board but in whole forum so I don't think we can blame whole bangladesh topic for them. I always give instant feedback to users I suspect or have evidence of posting shit on the local board, which I will always continue to do.
Pizza, Pie Baking Contest, Pumpkin Contest, WO topic, have taken advantage of these and many accounts have ranked up among them who have less knowledge about other thing and they constantly post shitposts for complete signature requirement And they create multiple accounts and transfer merit from one account to another and start signature hunting by making many accounts Full Members + rank
October 21, 2023, 08:15:51 AM
As an example if you follow this translation: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bengali-631891
It is verbatim correct, but it sounds like google Translation has been used. The structure of the sentence is not correct.
It is verbatim correct, but it sounds like google Translation has been used. The structure of the sentence is not correct.
I have reported the post already. It's obvious that the guy used a Google translator to translate the topic. The problem is that users saw that some members got merits by translating a few threads and they started to follow the same pattern to rank up quickly. Now there are some conflicts created in the local thread as well. Sometimes authors need to be careful when they approve translations. If they approve translations from newbies, more newbies will be interested to doing these things. Recently a user created a topic about Bitcoin and Gambling and got a merit from that topic which inspired him to create another account and create same topic to firm merits. This is typical behavior of bengali users.
October 21, 2023, 07:55:14 AM
Thanks for the warning. For a long time, I thought that this local board was a small group of 5-10 people with several alt accounts.
I still think that way. See what local users are saying about the influx of new accounts. Google Translate does a good job of making it clear that they're all probably here for the upcoming pumpkin contest that a bunch of accounts were so successful at last year and where they were actively passing merits on to each other.
আমাদের বাংলাদেশ থ্রেড টা কেনো জানি সোশ্যাল মিডিয়ার মতো মনে হচ্ছে। দরকারি তেমন কোনো পোস্ট চোখে পড়ছে না। থ্রেড এ ঢুকে কমেন্ট করার মতো ইন্টারেস্টিং তেমন কিছু চোখে পড়ছে না। এখানে যেকোনো বিষয় নিয়ে পোস্ট করক যাবে এটা জানি, কিন্তু তার মানে কি এই যে ম্যাক্সিমাম পোস্ট হবে এই সোর্স সেই সোর্স থেকে? রাজনীতি, খেলাধুলা সব ই আছে এখানে, নেই শুধু ক্রিপ্টো রিলেটেড পোস্ট গুলো। এই ব্যাপারে সবার সচেতন হওয়া জরুরী। সবাই যদি এভানে আবোল তাবোল পোস্ট করি, ভালো পোস্ট আসবে কই থেকে? সব তো আমরা আমরাই, বাইরের লোক এসে তো পোস্ট করে দিয়ে যাবে না।
এগুলা হওয়ার কারন আছে এখানে বলার মতো তেমন কেউ নাই আর দুই এক জন যারা চিল্লায় তাদের চিল্লানোর কোনো দাম নাই। ইদানিং কেন নতুন একাউন্ট এর সংখ্যা এত বেড়ে চলেছে আর কেনইবা তারা শুধুমাত্র সোর্স পোস্ট করে যাইতেছে তা আমি খুব স্পষ্টভাবেই বুঝতে পারতেছি। তবে কিছুই করার নাই কারণ আমরাতো বাঙালি জাতি আমরা এইসব ছাড়তে পারবোনা কখনই। এখন যে নতুন অ্যাকাউন্টগুলো এখানে আসতেছে আমি গ্যারান্টি দিয়ে বলতে পারি এই সবগুলোই মাল্টি একাউন্ট এইগুলা কোনোটাই নতুন কোনো সদস্য না।আপনাদের কি মনে আছে অক্টোবর মাসে Halloween আর এই হ্যালোইনের উপলক্ষে ফোরামে একটা কুমড়া কনটেস্ট হবে। আর এ কারণেই এসব অ্যাকাউন্ট তৈরি করা হইতেছে কুমড়া কন্টেস্টে জয়েন কইরা মেরিট ফারমিং করার জন্য। আমি যা বললাম এগুলো সবাই নোট করে রাখতে পারেন এবারের কুমড়া কনটেস্টে হয়তোবা এমনও হতে পারে যে আমাগো বাংলাদেশ বোর্ড খ্যাতির চোদনে সোনার মেডেল পাবে। কথাটা হয়তোবা অনেকেই বুঝতে পারছেন। চিল্লাইয়া কোনো লাভ নাই তাই চিল্লান বাদ দিতেছি ধীরে ধীরে।
আমাদের প্রধান সমস্যা গুলোর মধ্যে একটা হলো অন্য কে অতিরিক্ত ফলো করা। আমরা ভালো কিছু ফলো করি না। আমরা শুধু চেক করি অই লোক টা মেরিট পেলো কোন পোস্ট থেকে? কিভাবে পেলো? কি করে পেলো? এই ফলো করার রেজাল্ট অনেক ভয়াবহ। একজন একটা কাজ করে মেরিট পেয়েছে বলে যে আপনি করলে আপনি পাবেন, ব্যাপার টা সেরকম না। প্রায় অনেকদিন আগে একটা থ্রেড দেখলাম পোস্ট করলেই সেই থ্রেড এর ক্রিয়েটর ১০ টা করে মেরিট দিচ্ছে। তো বাংলাদেশের অনেক মানুষ সেখানে পোস্ট করেছে এবং অনেকে মেরিট ও পেয়েছে। কয়েক সপ্তাহ আগে দেখলাম সেটা নিয়ে গ্লোবালে থ্রেড ওপেন করে একজন বলছে যে এই একাউন্ট গুলো এক জনের। নইলে সবাই মিলে এই থ্রেড এ পোস্ট করলো কেনো আর সবাইকে থ্রেড ক্রিয়েটর মেরিট দিলো কেনো? সব সময় ফলো করা ভালো রেজাল্ট নিয়ে আসে না। মাঝে মাঝে খারাপ রেজাল্ট ও নিয়ে আসে। সুতরাং, মেরিট দেখলেই ঝাপিয়ে পড়ার দরকার নাই।
In addition, they create low-quality themes, adding only a link and a picture. A newcomer who knows about forum image hosting from the very first days brings a smile.
To stop this chaos, I have tagged a few enterprising people who post news simply by copying and pasting, and as soon as they stop doing this, I will remove the neutral tag from them.
The forum is not against alternative accounts, but when it looks very defiant and shameless, you need to respond somehow.
I've gathered some who signed up in October. You can find a lot of similarities in their posts and design posts. Also, check their stories; not a single account will make you feel like this is the person’s first time on the forum.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/synonyms-3578442 Synonyms September 16, 2023, 07:00:07 PM
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/cryptowodl-3581193 cryptoWODL October 01, 2023, 05:49:44 PM
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/btcpokaop-3581291 BTC_pokaop October 02, 2023, 10:48:36 AM
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/glaxe-3582693 Glaxe October 09, 2023, 08:29:26 AM
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/learn-crypto-3583714 Learn Crypto October 13, 2023, 04:27:08 PM
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/theorys-3584075 theorys October 15, 2023, 09:37:48 AM
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/dtmember-3584158 DT_MEMBER October 15, 2023, 08:50:51 PM
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/sportbitcoin-3585154 sportbitcoin October 20, 2023, 02:51:11 PM
October 21, 2023, 07:27:02 AM
There is nothing bad about ranking up but this loophole has been noticed by many new members who are also trying to use the same kind of tactics to attract merit sources, which leads to spamming the board. There are countless informative topics on the global board that can be translated into every local language, but that doesn't mean we need to translate them all at once. Translation should be done when the necessity of that topic arises.
Thanks for the warning. For a long time, I thought that this local board was a small group of 5-10 people with several alt accounts.
I would be more careful before sending Merits to that board, but if you speak Bengali, can you add some samples of texts that were written with Google Translate or Keywords or anything that would help someone who does not speak that language doubt the quality of translations, or is that impossible?
Send a PM to that Merit source if you suspect any behavior
I can show you an example of two translations in which one can be suspected of being translated through google Translate and one is natural. I can also mention some words, but it can lead a non-native speaker to the wrong conclusion. Bengali is a tricky language, and sometimes the meaning of a word changes based on the way it is used in a sentence. It requires a separate topic and time to create.
As an example if you follow this translation: OP remove the link
It is verbatim correct, but it sounds like google Translation has been used. The structure of the sentence is not correct.
that would help someone who does not speak that language doubt the quality of translations, or is that impossible?
It requires a separate topic and time to create. 
October 21, 2023, 07:18:57 AM
If theymos still not yet willing to create a dedicated board for Bengali, I'm really doubt he will do this request. Actually there's pinned message where it's forbidden to post translated content from your local thread.
Send a PM to that Merit source if you suspect any behavior
Seems not really effective, @OP need to learn how to leave a feedback, he can leave a neutral feedback with a description of Google translate usage on the account, so other users can be more cautious before sending their merit. 
October 21, 2023, 07:15:51 AM
Every time someone translates a topic their post has been rewarded with 10 to 20 merits.
Are your local smeriters not native speakers?Granting the new local board's request won't change this practice. I think the main problem isn't the translators, but you have a compulsive local smeriter. Try to conducive to this point first. I support providing your local board but not for the sole reason of wanting to prevent users from ranking up.
October 21, 2023, 07:09:37 AM
There is nothing bad about ranking up but this loophole has been noticed by many new members who are also trying to use the same kind of tactics to attract merit sources, which leads to spamming the board. There are countless informative topics on the global board that can be translated into every local language, but that doesn't mean we need to translate them all at once. Translation should be done when the necessity of that topic arises.
Thanks for the warning. For a long time, I thought that this local board was a small group of 5-10 people with several alt accounts.
I would be more careful before sending Merits to that board, but if you speak Bengali, can you add some samples of texts that were written with Google Translate or Keywords or anything that would help someone who does not speak that language doubt the quality of translations, or is that impossible?
Send a PM to that Merit source if you suspect any behavior
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