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Former officer Derek Chauvin's charge was taken from 3rd degree murder to now 2nd degree murder. The other 3 officers that were involved in the arrest have now been charged and warrants for their arrest have been issued.

https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/06/03/george-floyd-death-derek-chauvins-murder-charge-upgraded-to-2nd-degree-unintentional-murder-3-other-officers-charged/

Derek Chauvin should burn in jail.
Those guys do not have any reason to be out and live free. He murdered him on purpose and there are not any excuses about his action. Floyd didn't show any resistance and still he treated him this way.

I suppose you may like for him to be incarcerated surrounded by multi racial inmates.  Grin


Since the protests began, there have been so many more officers arrested and prosecuted for excessive force. It's ironic that these protests against police brutality are causing more police brutality against protesters.

6 officers charged in Atlanta: https://www.11alive.com/article/news/local/atlanta-police-officers-da-announcement-after-students-arrested/85-2eec7009-40b4-41b2-8020-77098b2d3ed5
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Former officer Derek Chauvin's charge was taken from 3rd degree murder to now 2nd degree murder. The other 3 officers that were involved in the arrest have now been charged and warrants for their arrest have been issued.

https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/06/03/george-floyd-death-derek-chauvins-murder-charge-upgraded-to-2nd-degree-unintentional-murder-3-other-officers-charged/



Derek Chauvin should burn in jail.
Those guys do not have any reason to be out and live free. He murdered him on purpose and there are not any excuses about his action. Floyd didn't show any resistance and still he treated him this way.
legendary
Activity: 1666
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Flying Hellfish is a Commie
Former officer Derek Chauvin's charge was taken from 3rd degree murder to now 2nd degree murder. The other 3 officers that were involved in the arrest have now been charged and warrants for their arrest have been issued.

https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/06/03/george-floyd-death-derek-chauvins-murder-charge-upgraded-to-2nd-degree-unintentional-murder-3-other-officers-charged/



They've done this to try to relax the protests. It is risker to try to prove that this is second degree murder, instead of trying to prove 3rd degree. If they can prove it and convince a jury though, they're going to bring the justice that is required -- plus the fact that they'll springboard their careers (anyone prosecuting this case, etc) -- which is really what most of these people care about.

Very risky to go for 2nd degree, as you could get an acquittal which will kill your career and incite further protests. Yet again, they're mostly trying to relax the protests with this sort of thing. It's what MANY were calling for. We'll see if it plays out.

Do you think there's a good chance they go to trial?  Will there even be a plea deal offered?



Chance they go to trial -- yes, but it's not going to be a jury trial, it's most likely going to be a bench trial (as a defendant can elect to have a bench trial, that is decided by the judge, if they want to) That's the best shot these officers have at being acquitted, because a judge is going to look at the facts of the case and decide if this is TRULY 2nd degree Murder (and the others too)

While a jury would look more towards emotion. Most people have seen this video and they're going to be disgusted with it. Finding a jury pool that isn't already tainted is going to be hard.

I highly doubt any prosecutor is going to want to offer a plea to these guys anyway (maybe Lane, but the rest eh) that would just enrage the protestors because you're letting them get a lesser charge just for admitting that they did wrong.
legendary
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Former officer Derek Chauvin's charge was taken from 3rd degree murder to now 2nd degree murder. The other 3 officers that were involved in the arrest have now been charged and warrants for their arrest have been issued.

https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/06/03/george-floyd-death-derek-chauvins-murder-charge-upgraded-to-2nd-degree-unintentional-murder-3-other-officers-charged/



They've done this to try to relax the protests. It is risker to try to prove that this is second degree murder, instead of trying to prove 3rd degree. If they can prove it and convince a jury though, they're going to bring the justice that is required -- plus the fact that they'll springboard their careers (anyone prosecuting this case, etc) -- which is really what most of these people care about.

Very risky to go for 2nd degree, as you could get an acquittal which will kill your career and incite further protests. Yet again, they're mostly trying to relax the protests with this sort of thing. It's what MANY were calling for. We'll see if it plays out.

Do you think there's a good chance they go to trial?  Will there even be a plea deal offered?

legendary
Activity: 1666
Merit: 1285
Flying Hellfish is a Commie
Former officer Derek Chauvin's charge was taken from 3rd degree murder to now 2nd degree murder. The other 3 officers that were involved in the arrest have now been charged and warrants for their arrest have been issued.

https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/06/03/george-floyd-death-derek-chauvins-murder-charge-upgraded-to-2nd-degree-unintentional-murder-3-other-officers-charged/



They've done this to try to relax the protests. It is risker to try to prove that this is second degree murder, instead of trying to prove 3rd degree. If they can prove it and convince a jury though, they're going to bring the justice that is required -- plus the fact that they'll springboard their careers (anyone prosecuting this case, etc) -- which is really what most of these people care about.

Very risky to go for 2nd degree, as you could get an acquittal which will kill your career and incite further protests. Yet again, they're mostly trying to relax the protests with this sort of thing. It's what MANY were calling for. We'll see if it plays out.

Switching the murder charges to 3rd degree to 2nd degree is no doubt to appease the public but I'm a bit taken back by charging officers involved. One of the guys involved, Thomas Lane, was a rookie that had graduated less than a week from the academy and took orders from Chauvin to keep Floyd on his stomach with knee pressure on his back to subdue him. If Chauvin's a 19 year vet and you're a rookie, you're going to take orders from a more tenured officer. As for the other two, not sure why they should be held liable for their coworkers negligence. They did not know Floyd and the neck position that Chauvin had Floyd under is legal under Minneapolis Police Department's guidelines and policies.

They arrested the other 3 officers because of public pressure which is setting an extremely bad precedent for officers to be held liable for something their partner might fuck up on. The charges on the other officers will not stick and the Minnesota AG knows this well which is why it's concerning that these three are in jail right now. Chauvin's responsible, hold him accountable and take him to a trial with all the facts laid out and make a determination.

I actually saw the portion about Lane, and I don't think his charges are going to stick. He's most likely going to have to be rehired by Minneapolis PD tbh -- union is going to fight hard for him, and they're going to say that there was no cause to fire him. Only issue in this line of thinking is that he may be in a probationary period, and may be able to be fired without any sort of union protection. We'll see on him.

The others -- well I mean, guess they're going to charge them b/c they didn't actively try to stop it or at least verbally try to stop it. No one is going to tell them that they have to fight a coworker, but Lane's response should be good enough (IMO)

Neck position that he was put into is LEGAL for certain circumstances, though the circumstances that Floyd was put into was not that.

This is going to be the case that legal experts, police departments, police unions, police reform groups, and so on are going to be watching this case INTENSLY. This could set a precedent that changes the police forever.

legendary
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Former officer Derek Chauvin's charge was taken from 3rd degree murder to now 2nd degree murder. The other 3 officers that were involved in the arrest have now been charged and warrants for their arrest have been issued.

https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/06/03/george-floyd-death-derek-chauvins-murder-charge-upgraded-to-2nd-degree-unintentional-murder-3-other-officers-charged/



They've done this to try to relax the protests. It is risker to try to prove that this is second degree murder, instead of trying to prove 3rd degree. If they can prove it and convince a jury though, they're going to bring the justice that is required -- plus the fact that they'll springboard their careers (anyone prosecuting this case, etc) -- which is really what most of these people care about.

Very risky to go for 2nd degree, as you could get an acquittal which will kill your career and incite further protests. Yet again, they're mostly trying to relax the protests with this sort of thing. It's what MANY were calling for. We'll see if it plays out.

Switching the murder charges to 3rd degree to 2nd degree is no doubt to appease the public but I'm a bit taken back by charging officers involved. One of the guys involved, Thomas Lane, was a rookie that had graduated less than a week from the academy and took orders from Chauvin to keep Floyd on his stomach with knee pressure on his back to subdue him. If Chauvin's a 19 year vet and you're a rookie, you're going to take orders from a more tenured officer. As for the other two, not sure why they should be held liable for their coworkers negligence. They did not know Floyd and the neck position that Chauvin had Floyd under is legal under Minneapolis Police Department's guidelines and policies.

They arrested the other 3 officers because of public pressure which is setting an extremely bad precedent for officers to be held liable for something their partner might fuck up on. The charges on the other officers will not stick and the Minnesota AG knows this well which is why it's concerning that these three are in jail right now. Chauvin's responsible, hold him accountable and take him to a trial with all the facts laid out and make a determination.
legendary
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Flying Hellfish is a Commie
Former officer Derek Chauvin's charge was taken from 3rd degree murder to now 2nd degree murder. The other 3 officers that were involved in the arrest have now been charged and warrants for their arrest have been issued.

https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/06/03/george-floyd-death-derek-chauvins-murder-charge-upgraded-to-2nd-degree-unintentional-murder-3-other-officers-charged/



They've done this to try to relax the protests. It is risker to try to prove that this is second degree murder, instead of trying to prove 3rd degree. If they can prove it and convince a jury though, they're going to bring the justice that is required -- plus the fact that they'll springboard their careers (anyone prosecuting this case, etc) -- which is really what most of these people care about.

Very risky to go for 2nd degree, as you could get an acquittal which will kill your career and incite further protests. Yet again, they're mostly trying to relax the protests with this sort of thing. It's what MANY were calling for. We'll see if it plays out.
legendary
Activity: 2828
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Former officer Derek Chauvin's charge was taken from 3rd degree murder to now 2nd degree murder. The other 3 officers that were involved in the arrest have now been charged and warrants for their arrest have been issued.

https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/06/03/george-floyd-death-derek-chauvins-murder-charge-upgraded-to-2nd-degree-unintentional-murder-3-other-officers-charged/

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The policeman behaved disgustingly, and this is called the police lull. But to smash everything that the crowd sees is meaningless. What do these people want to say? Why destroy a clothing store? The brother of the deceased called for an end to the riots, I hope that he will be heard.
legendary
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Some people took the situation for granted and they put it in their own hands. Those looting are unjustifiable.

When it comes to riot, riot is the voice of the oppressed. There will be no riots and protests if there are no oppressed people in the society. Riots are just the results of it.

That's not necessarily true that there would be no riots and protests if people were not oppressed. People who are not oppressed, but think that they are, or are simply bad people, might still riot if they have the opportunity. Some of the rioters have guns. Guns aren't cheap. They must have had money to buy the guns. They should have bought nutrients instead, so that they weren't so brain dead that they rioted.

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Some people took the situation for granted and they put it in their own hands. Those looting are unjustifiable.

When it comes to riot, riot is the voice of the oppressed. There will be no riots and protests if there are no oppressed people in the society. Riots are just the results of it.
legendary
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Racism in the United States has existed since colonial times, when white Americans were given legal or social rights and interests while similar rights were denied to races and ethnic groups. other minorities.

Apart from George Floyd, the United States was also shaken by other black racial murders.

na in early time they where allowed to convert to christianity. to obtain similar rights.

spain was especially tolerant to that,

People aren't allowed. Rather, people simply pick up and do.

Stupid people lose. Wise people win. And at times, it accidentally works the other way. God is really in control.

Cool

thats correct the universe has an inteligent imperative its not entropic,

what we are witnessing in the usa right now is peake racism,

democrats will be considered the racist party and republicans the neutral communist one.
colored people will be considered racist and suspicious white people as neutral

Will be considered by who? By you? Who cares?

America was set up for each person to be the king of his own castle, or property. It was also set up so that when any other similar king messed with his property, the other king owed him.

When Americans play the game of considering each other to be Democrats or Republicans, it's because they are fundamentally so rich that they would rather play the game than get back down to basics.

The preppers are the ones who quit playing the game, and are getting down to the basics of life.

Cool
sr. member
Activity: 1470
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Racism in the United States has existed since colonial times, when white Americans were given legal or social rights and interests while similar rights were denied to races and ethnic groups. other minorities.

Apart from George Floyd, the United States was also shaken by other black racial murders.

na in early time they where allowed to convert to christianity. to obtain similar rights.

spain was especially tolerant to that,

People aren't allowed. Rather, people simply pick up and do.

Stupid people lose. Wise people win. And at times, it accidentally works the other way. God is really in control.

Cool

thats correct the universe has an inteligent imperative its not entropic,

what we are witnessing in the usa right now is peake racism,

democrats will be considered the racist party and republicans the neutral communist one.
colored people will be considered racist and suspicious white people as neutral
legendary
Activity: 3906
Merit: 1373
Racism in the United States has existed since colonial times, when white Americans were given legal or social rights and interests while similar rights were denied to races and ethnic groups. other minorities.

Apart from George Floyd, the United States was also shaken by other black racial murders.

na in early time they where allowed to convert to christianity. to obtain similar rights.

spain was especially tolerant to that,

People aren't allowed. Rather, people simply pick up and do.

Stupid people lose. Wise people win. And at times, it accidentally works the other way. God is really in control.

Cool
legendary
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We have riots. We have lockdowns because of the riots. There are cameras all over the place. Cops have cameras. Temporary deputies have cameras. Your store has cameras. Bystanders have cameras.

You are never going to catch and identify all the bad guys. Even the writings of the founding fathers said that only 1 in 10 will ever be caught.

We aren't talking about a standard, simple vandalizing. We are talking about riots. Throw the suckers in jail, bring them up to trial, let the witnesses witness, let the videos back it all up, and make them work it off, if it takes them 20 years of hard labor.

Cool

you live in the liberal usa, not in a militariced surveilance state, in the usa it is also expected from the individual to defend their property or worry about enough policing.

problems with democrats is: they want less police, less arms, and less religion this mixture won't work

if someone is responsible its the libtards and the democrats, that are trying to damage the state's security system.

In the USA, government people can be taken to court for not providing protection if they will not allow the people to protect themselves. Even though law enforcement is not required to protect the people, they better do it, or allow the people to protect themselves.

But that is what we are talking about... the USA.

When rioters damage property, if they are thrown in prison for 20 years until they can pay it off, other rioters will think twice before being rioters.

Who cares if they are Democrats or invaders from China. Make them pay and they will change their ways. If they won't change, execute them. No time for nonsense.

Cool

how is police supposed to protect the people when the people at the same time vote a party that disbands it.

Forget the police. We don't need them.

Police are people. Anybody can be trained to patrol his neighborhood or city, militia style.

When all the people do it for themselves, there aren't any dishonest cops. But it has to be done correctly, or this might be the result: http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2018/01/losing-faith-in-state-some-mexican.html.

Cool
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We have riots. We have lockdowns because of the riots. There are cameras all over the place. Cops have cameras. Temporary deputies have cameras. Your store has cameras. Bystanders have cameras.

You are never going to catch and identify all the bad guys. Even the writings of the founding fathers said that only 1 in 10 will ever be caught.

We aren't talking about a standard, simple vandalizing. We are talking about riots. Throw the suckers in jail, bring them up to trial, let the witnesses witness, let the videos back it all up, and make them work it off, if it takes them 20 years of hard labor.

Cool

you live in the liberal usa, not in a militariced surveilance state, in the usa it is also expected from the individual to defend their property or worry about enough policing.

problems with democrats is: they want less police, less arms, and less religion this mixture won't work

if someone is responsible its the libtards and the democrats, that are trying to damage the state's security system.

In the USA, government people can be taken to court for not providing protection if they will not allow the people to protect themselves. Even though law enforcement is not required to protect the people, they better do it, or allow the people to protect themselves.

But that is what we are talking about... the USA.

When rioters damage property, if they are thrown in prison for 20 years until they can pay it off, other rioters will think twice before being rioters.

Who cares if they are Democrats or invaders from China. Make them pay and they will change their ways. If they won't change, execute them. No time for nonsense.

Cool

how is police supposed to protect the people when the people at the same time vote a party that disbands it.
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Racism in the United States has existed since colonial times, when white Americans were given legal or social rights and interests while similar rights were denied to races and ethnic groups. other minorities.

Apart from George Floyd, the United States was also shaken by other black racial murders.
legendary
Activity: 3906
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We have riots. We have lockdowns because of the riots. There are cameras all over the place. Cops have cameras. Temporary deputies have cameras. Your store has cameras. Bystanders have cameras.

You are never going to catch and identify all the bad guys. Even the writings of the founding fathers said that only 1 in 10 will ever be caught.

We aren't talking about a standard, simple vandalizing. We are talking about riots. Throw the suckers in jail, bring them up to trial, let the witnesses witness, let the videos back it all up, and make them work it off, if it takes them 20 years of hard labor.

Cool

you live in the liberal usa, not in a militariced surveilance state, in the usa it is also expected from the individual to defend their property or worry about enough policing.

problems with democrats is: they want less police, less arms, and less religion this mixture won't work

if someone is responsible its the libtards and the democrats, that are trying to damage the state's security system.

In the USA, government people can be taken to court for not providing protection if they will not allow the people to protect themselves. Even though law enforcement is not required to protect the people, they better do it, or allow the people to protect themselves.

But that is what we are talking about... the USA.

When rioters damage property, if they are thrown in prison for 20 years until they can pay it off, other rioters will think twice before being rioters.

Who cares if they are Democrats or invaders from China. Make them pay and they will change their ways. If they won't change, execute them. No time for nonsense.

Cool
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The need is for arrests, vamp up the judicial, and get the witnesses in there to get those rioters into prison. Then make them work off the damage to the shops and people they damaged.

Don't martial-law the average people who are just living.


Riots Out Of Control - Are US Troops And Martial Law The Answer?



Hundreds of US cities have been turned into war zones, with looting, murder, and mayhem unleashed on a level we have not seen in more than a generation. President Trump is threatening to call US troops to the street. Will de facto martial law calm the chaos, or will it be pouring gasoline onto the flame?


Riots Out Of Control - Are US Troops And Martial Law The Answer?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlmxFGa1Yc8



Cool

exceptions costs burocracy, ressources money, just dont side with the racist rioters, criminals and looters, and their "democratic" masters

What about damage-repayment to peaceful people and their property?

Cool

by who the democrats? or the state?

didn't you asked for less state since recently? americans riot because they don't fear the state enough to shut up and mind their own business, libtards and democrats worked towards that for a long time.

Hey, poor baby. Let the man who did the damage pay it off.

If you damage my property, why should the State pay? You pay. And if you did it on purpose, pay double or triple, and go to jail and work for the State and your living in prison... after you pay me off.

Cool

then you have to catch that individual criminal that did that and proof in court that he damaged your property.

cause trump is not responsible for the looters, its personal and private greed, of countless individuals.

We have riots. We have lockdowns because of the riots. There are cameras all over the place. Cops have cameras. Temporary deputies have cameras. Your store has cameras. Bystanders have cameras.

You are never going to catch and identify all the bad guys. Even the writings of the founding fathers said that only 1 in 10 will ever be caught.

We aren't talking about a standard, simple vandalizing. We are talking about riots. Throw the suckers in jail, bring them up to trial, let the witnesses witness, let the videos back it all up, and make them work it off, if it takes them 20 years of hard labor.

Cool

you live in the liberal usa, not in a militariced surveilance state, in the usa it is also expected from the individual to defend their property or worry about enough policing, and a solid society.

problems with democrats is: they want less police, less arms, and less religion, more decadence this mixture won't work

if someone is responsible its the libtards and the democrats, that are trying to damage the state's security system.
legendary
Activity: 3906
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Hey, poor baby. Let the man who did the damage pay it off.

If you damage my property, why should the State pay? You pay. And if you did it on purpose, pay double or triple, and go to jail and work for the State and your living in prison... after you pay me off.

Cool

then you have to catch that individual criminal that did that and proof in court that he damaged your property.

cause trump is not responsible for the looters, its personal and private greed, of countless individuals.

We have riots. We have lockdowns because of the riots. There are cameras all over the place. Cops have cameras. Temporary deputies have cameras. Your store has cameras. Bystanders have cameras.

You are never going to catch and identify all the bad guys. Even the writings of the founding fathers said that only 1 in 10 will ever be caught.

We aren't talking about a standard, simple vandalizing. We are talking about riots. Throw the suckers in jail, bring them up to trial, let the witnesses witness, let the videos back it all up, and make them work it off, if it takes them 20 years of hard labor.

Cool
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