Topic: Riots after Death of Man in Minneapolis Police Custody - page 16. (Read 4455 times)

He was not running away. He turned towards the police office, pointed the tazer towards the officer and either shot the tazer or was indicating he was about to shoot the tazer. The tazer would have incapacitated the officer, and the person would have been able to take the officer's gun.

The use of force was 100% justified. Anyone who says otherwise is either uninformed or dishonest.

That's cute.  Really really a cute idea.  Right out of a leftist politician playbook. However, it lack's one important factor...... TRUTH.
It's really an empty opinion to think police and "the system" are "manufacturing criminality."    Spend one friggin hour with any police department and you'll see they don't spend their time picking out who they want to arrest.
    You can pull up any department's UCR data and annual report. You'll find out the largest portion of police interaction and arrests stem from someone CALLING the cops.  It wasn't the cop's choice to go somewhere and dig up some BS charge, the cop's get called to a crime in progress.
  
   And the other contradictory issue is "respecting the police".   No, no ones looking for you to respect a particular person, but a civilized society expects you to respect their established LAWS.  When you don't respect the established LAWS, then you end up having to deal with the police.

  You are also ignoring a WHY.  You say the areas with the most police still have the most crime.  WHY?  Which came first, the crime or the police response?   The areas with the most police didn't start out by someone saying "you know what, we should have a shit ton of police, that'll stop crime."   The actual inverse happens.  Crime statistics increase, they hire more cops. Crime increases more, they hire even more cops.  Policing is REACTIVE in nature.

I can somehow learn to live without garnering your respect, but really man, you have to stop crying in public. Its embarrassing.

Like I said before, the man was shot while running away. The police officer being aimed at with the taser had backup. Lethal force was totally uncalled for in this situation.

Statist authoritymongers are gonna toady for the state though, can't stop that.

Is Cornell West qualified?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbOP-GmkyzY
The thing about education is that you can't recognize it if you haven't had it so the educated perspective comes off as "an alternate reality"

You can't just blindly look at statistics without understanding why they are the way they are.  You need to zoom in and have a qualitative understanding to go with statistics.   You are ignoring a lot of the "whys" and only looking at the "whats"

Why are police being killed?

Why is there so much crime in some areas?

You will start to realize that despite massive amounts of policing, the areas with the most policing still have the highest crime.  If you arrest 1000 black people and kill one, the kill rate is low because you are arresting way too many people many of whom did nothing violent.  Now your rate of murdering black people looks better for a bad reason.  

Police, along with the justice and prison systems are manufacturing criminality.  We oppose training the public to respect police because
 this is not a supposed to be a police state.  Police need to serve their community by learning how to interact with them. Not the other way around.   We need to scale back the police big time and put most of  that money into things that will make society better.  

-Counseling
-Rehabilitation
-Jobs training
-Community programs
-Mental health response teams
-Therapists
-education

Almost always we see "statist authority mongers" as being the current version of the "liberal", a totalitarian toad born of wrecked ideals of freedom and liberty.

So there's room left for some right wing "statist authority mongers?"

See to have riot over dead soul is good but depends on the persons crime, the death of George Floyd by a police I suspected that may be George had issues with one of the officers previously before the incident that lead's to his death.
Because police can't because you are a stranger to their country them kill a living soul without a proper investigation.
I suggested that while police have to act in that capacity is because George resisted arrests.
We have to protest over George Floyd death to verify the objectives of police not arrest him peaceful.
Those police officers involved in the death of George floyd suppose to face panel so that other police officers across the country will take precaution.

He was shot in the back while running away. The cop's life was in no way endangered. If the shooting is found to be legally justified then it will be highlighting one of the main problems with law enforcement.

Regardless of your feelings on this particular incident, if violent drunk/jacked up individuals have 100 run ins with police some are going to escalate to shootings.

At the same time, there's always been a hint of "maybe something's wrong here" on the topic of shooting people in the back.

   Your problem is not with Law Enforcement, it's with the law. Every state had this thing called laws. Somewhere within it, you'll find a section detailing deadly force and when its justified to use.   Then every Police dept has something they call Policy, or SOP's, or General Orders.   That book will also details when deadly force can and can't be used by police.  
   Most of them are quite similar from department to department, state to state.  If if you ever read one of these books, you'll find a phrase called "fleeing forcible felon" or "violent fleeing felon."  

    Resisting arrest is a felony.   Assaulting cops is a felony.  Disarming an Officer is a felony. Stealing an officer's taser is a felony. Pointing the stolen taser at an officer is a felony. Firing a taser at an Officer is a felony.  
    Assaulting officers is violence.  The fleeing felon has demonstrated he is quite capable of being a deadly threat to others.
  
   This is just another criminal who escalated a simple interaction into multiple felonies, and his own death.  

  Instead of "more training" or "police reform"...... maybe the public needs some training on resisting arrest..



   No one seems to mention, that every time the police have to use force on someone, it's because that someone resists, fights, or attacks the cops.

 

Police officers are armed. He had a tazer. If he hit an officer with a tazer he could have armed himself. That is a direct threat. This kind of incident is exactly why fucksticks like you get no respect, because you defend violent criminals. If he was an innocent victim everyone would be in agreement, but he wasn't. He was a violent drunk idiot who got HIMSELF shot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnRuWcgflaE

It seems the world is heading towards private citadel communities, decentralizing. Same way as in the old days castles.
This town in Mexico kicked out all politicians and police and private citizen take over security.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrPBdLiqMb0

New police shooting happened recently in Atlanta that has people upset. The officer involved shooting has occurred at a Wendy's when a black male, Rayshard Brooks, 27, fell asleep in the drive through. Two officers conducted a DUI field sobriety test and determined he was intoxicated and tried to arrest him. Brooks resisted arrest, assaulted one of the officers then took the officer's taser. As Brooks was running, he turned around and fired the taser and an officer opened fire on Brooks killing him.

https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/protesters-block-lanes-on-i-85-wendys-set-on-fire-after-killing-of-rayshard-brooks

Per usual, the Wendy's location was set on fire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osqCKSUfpOI

Protesters also blocked an interstate.

The Mayor of Atlanta has called for the termination of the officer who fired the shots and he's been fired from the Atlanta Police Department. His partner is on administrative duties.

I guess asking someone to not drive while drunk, resist arrest, assault a police officer, steal his taser, fire the taser at the officer, is too much. The district attorney's office is going to find the shooting legally justified but the officer got fired strictly for PR.

Lol. Success by going to college? Rich Dad, Poor Dad. It's all fake.

ROBERT KIYOSAKI "That's Why You're Poor"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Of4o8XhK5F0

Fake Covid.

Fake "... Lives Matter."

All that fake just to keep people poor. You poor suckers; .

Yep.  I see that you are TRYING to claim any success for my hard work is based on my race.  And you will be proven dead wrong.

I didn't grow up wealthy, we didn't have luxuries.
But I did join the military.....which just about anyone can, regardless of race. And as a matter of fact, my time in the military, working side-by-side with blacks, Asians, Hispanics, etc... was a great experience of true equality. So here we are on a ship,.... our own group of humans, every race, from every US region, all working together for a common goal, while learning discipline, respect, and a code of conduct. All equals, with equal opportunity. We all got paid on the same scale...., yeah, even the females,.... and we all had the SAME opportunities. Some rose to the top, and some stagnated. But it was never due to their race, it was due to their effort.
    Then I got into Law Enforcement 2 decades ago, everyone had equal opportunity to test for the job. Everyone, of all races have the exact same opportunity. And everyone I work with (of all races) has he same opportunity to earn extra pay by working overtime. Some do it, and some don't.  Some excel, some dont. And the difference between the two is effort, not race.

  The route I took, is available to EVERYONE !

And rather than paying my kids way to an elective education they wanted, I made them responsible for the majority of the financial aspect, but I do hold the safety net for them.

Yes, we can see the straw man you are attempting to establish.

Are your kids more likely or less likely to be successful because they have a father that was able to send them to college?

Will their children (your grandchildren) be more or less likely to be successful because of you?

See where I'm going here?

It does not surprise me one bit.  There's a reason colleges and universities are referred to as "liberal indoctrination centers."

Fortunately, I skipped the college route and went military instead, entering the USN nuclear engineering program. I was able to travel the world for several years of my life and get a true representation of global society.  The poorest Americans have NO IDEA how good they have it.

The military training and experience offered me the opportunity to get a 6 figure salary afterwards, and I put forth enough effort in OT to send my kids to college. (Not white privilege, but effort that can be achieved by any race)    But my kids were warned about the liberal youth groupthink that is prominent at college. They've all remained level headed and discuss with me, the feelings vs facts problem they see at school. Too many youth are influenced by feelings and have a sheltered view of overall society.

Your head is so far up your ass there is really no point engaging in any kind of logical discussion with you. Any facts you don't like you just imagineer some Postmodernist excuse to dismiss and substitute your own reality. You would cut out your own eye if it dared rest upon the truth.

 Hey PopoJeff, you know this guy claims to be a professor? How scary is that? You aren't qualified to be a professor at clown college.

Here's an interesting perspective, if your are open-minded enough to look at something from somewhere other than a pre-conceived opinion.


Does America have a “racist cop” problem?

It’s easy to believe so when watching the disturbing videos of the deaths of George Floyd, Eric Garner and Tamir Rice at the hands of the police. But do horrific, high-profile cases like these accurately reflect the treatment of black Americans by the police?

Many observers say no.

Since 2015, The Washington Post has maintained a comprehensive database of fatal police shootings. The Post database shows that fatal shootings by police have run steadily at around 1,000 per year since 2015: 995 (2015); 963 (2016); 987 (2017); 998 (2018); and 1,004 (2019).

About twice as many white people as black people are killed by police. “In fact, in about 75 percent of police shootings, the decedent is not black,” says Andrew McCarthy, a columnist with the National Review.

“This pandemic of civil violence is more widespread than anything seen during the Black Lives Matter movement of the Obama years, and it will likely have an even deadlier toll on law enforcement officers than the targeted assassinations we saw from 2014 onward,” McCarthy wrote. “It’s worse this time because the country has absorbed another five years of academically inspired racial victimology.”

While the current national narrative is that black Americans are, as some Black Lives Matter advocates claim, being “targeted” by police, Rafael Mangual, deputy director of legal policy at the Manhattan Institute, says that view is backward.

“It is certainly fair to say that police have had a target on their backs for some time,” he told InsideSources.

“I believe the number is that police officers are eighteen and a half times more likely to be killed by black males than unarmed black males are to be killed by police officers,” he said. “And studies have shown that the odds of a black man being killed in police custody are about one in 1,000.

https://www.houmatoday.com/opinion/20200610/opinion-black-lives-matter-rhetoric-doesnt-match-facts-on-police-violence



So, is it the police that need the ambiguous talking point "more training" ?    Or does society need "more training"?   A simple 20 min PowerPoint presentation in free public school about law? A very simple understanding of.... don't fight police, attack police, or resist arrest, and your odds of being hurt by police are less than being struck by lightning.

Yeah a statistic that is skewed by racism and then used as an argument against the existence of racism is definitely a "racist statistic".

Its funny how the analogy to your privileged POV is reference to another privileged POV.  Instead of stopping mcdonalds from marketing and selling harmful, addictive foods, you blame the victim.   Try looking at the fabric of the systems that cause problems instead of the symptoms of those poorly designed systems.