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Topic: RitzGrandCasino not provably fair (Has nothing to do with their sig program) (Read 10851 times)

Swordsoffreedom

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Quote from: Gleb Gamow on November 12, 2015, 10:24:25 PM

I have reason to believe that Team Paul Vernon was behind this site: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12961390

I haven't heard anything about this site in a long time, the sites original form does not seem to be operational anymore but it seems to be rebranded as it leads to a facebook landing page for a service called luckygator filled with fake likes so in regards to the RNG issue it seems the scam accusation still stands, but the thread would need to be rebranded to a lucky gator scam accusation thread, either way avoid the app.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Lucky-Gator-Casino-and-Slots/876708109028031

Gleb Gamow

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I have reason to believe that Team Paul Vernon was behind this site: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12961390

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Quote from: hilariousandco on July 06, 2014, 05:33:42 AM

They won't take you to court. Those are just the petty tactics they use to try shit you up and get you to shut up. They told plenty of people here that they had already instigated legal proceedings against them or was going to do it on monday or whatever and do you want to know what happened? The same thing that always happens when someone makes hollow threats over the internet to sue somebody - absolutely nothing.

Oh, don't worry, I wasn't for a single minute actually suggesting they might do that. Although if they did I'd laugh my ass off all the way to the bank while counting the cash I would take them for, seeing as they'd have to prove to the court that their service was as advertised (ie provably fair) else they'd be owing people possibly tens of thousands of dollars. And we all know they can't prove that they're provably fair, because they're not.

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I thought I would bump up this topic in addition to making my own one later today.

I today was scammed for $53 by this casino and I'm not happy. Now, don't get me wrong, the money isn't the issue - I gamble and lose hundreds of dollars every week, I have no problems with losing. What I do have problems with, however, is rigged gambling sites who then claim they're provably fair, but then deny my (and many others') every request to provide proof for such.

And then, after I very politely requested they refund my deposit, I got told "no but we'll add a bonus for you". To which I told them they would refund me as they used false advertising by way of saying they're provably fair, when they aren't. After this and after me posting a couple of times on their forum topic (and them deleting the replies), I got threatened with legal action for defamation.

They now have my IP and I'm "top of their list" to be dealt with by their "very experienced lawyer" on Monday morning. I personally can't wait. All I wanted was my $53 back, out of a matter of principle. Now I guess I'll trounce them in the courts if that's what they want, although I'll take a guess and say they'll be LONG gone by the time that ever comes about.

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Quote from: FUR11 on April 01, 2014, 08:28:11 PM

It's not up to the user to prove that a casino is fair. It's up to the casino to prove that. If a casino says "we are provably fair" and someone says "prove it", and the casino doesn't/can't...that's a bad sign. Provably fair means that you can PROVE that it is FAIR. If you claim to be it, you have to be able to prove it. IMO that is the crux of this thread, and the other somewhat shady things RGC has done only exacerbates the problem.

It's pretty simple, and I don't see why this thread is so long. RGB is saying "they claim to be provably fair, but aren't really". That is clearly the case.

Here's what the casino themselves says about their fairness:

That just isn't provable fairness. That is an appeal to authority (of Itechlabs) and trusting a third party (random.org).

Provable fairness is a way of avoiding the need to trust authority or third parties. It uses mathematics itself to prove the fairness, not authorities or other third parties.

That's the end of the story. The casino isn't provably fair because they claim (but cannot prove) that they use random.org.

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Quote from: SZZT on April 29, 2014, 08:16:34 AM

Quote from: RGBKey on April 22, 2014, 08:56:44 PM

For everyone else, they made a new account to get out of their trust. Add negative trust here. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=319107

And now you are stalking them. You could ask them to provide the info to a third party, or a respected member of the forum.
Have you explicitly done so? I mean, you might be saying that you can do it for them, but why should they trust you, its normal not to, since you started a crusade against them.

You took it upon yourself to fuck up their trust, although there has been no issue with either users in their site, or with users in here.
Just you, saying that they are not provably fair. I understand your point, but you cant be a judge and a juror at the same time.

Please RGB, dont misunderstand me, but you look like you are abusing trust now.
You have yet to provide a single shred pointing out to flaws, until then you are probably after their sig campaign.
If there is no proof of wrongdoing, you are merely stalking someone on your "gut" feelings.

Seriously uncool, take care.

Is this the kind of person you want to stand up for?

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feature rich and provably fair

Please prove that you are provably fair.

Someone that censors questions about how their site is fair?

I have no patience for shills.

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Quote from: RGBKey on April 22, 2014, 08:56:44 PM

For everyone else, they made a new account to get out of their trust. Add negative trust here. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=319107

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Even if this casino is legit (highly unlikely), the person running the bitcointalk forum account writes like a butthurt 12 year old. Are you trying to be a professional running a business? Or a thug threatening people for giving their opinions. I play a lot of gambling games, but I wouldn't risk a single satoshi in your casino simply based on your posts.

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Quote from: hilariousandco on April 23, 2014, 07:07:13 AM

Quote from: RGBKey on April 22, 2014, 08:56:44 PM

Quote from: apsvinet on April 22, 2014, 06:29:31 PM

If this has nothing to do with their signature campaign, RBGKey, how come there's a direct link to the program in the OP? Also, your posts about it on the first and 2nd page? No wonder people seem to get confused, you seem to be as well.

Now to the topic, not that I claim to know anything about such things, but why is their provably fair page not convincing?
https://www.ritzgrandcasino.com/provablyfair.php

For the love of god, i've posted this so many times before. They're asking you to trust that they are using a third party to generate numbers. They give you passwords in plaintext emails. They delete replies.

For everyone else, they made a new account to get out of their trust. Add negative trust here. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=319107

I don't see any feedback?

That negative feedback by RGBKey is in the "Untrusted feedback".

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Quote from: RGBKey on April 22, 2014, 08:56:44 PM

Quote from: apsvinet on April 22, 2014, 06:29:31 PM

I don't see any feedback?

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Quote from: apsvinet on April 22, 2014, 06:29:31 PM

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Quote from: apsvinet on April 22, 2014, 06:29:31 PM

Just saying it's provably fair doesn't make it so. You'll need to check all the info given and make your own mind up (or get someone more knowledgeable to confirm or deny wether it is).

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RitzCasino: Explain me these deleted posts
https://i.imgur.com/3kGHpYK.png
https://i.imgur.com/hW6Ztdo.png
All those posts were good sponsorship for your casino.
I will not play at your casino anymore until you do some excuses and put on my balance something just to prove you are a good guy and I will not write a bad post about your casino.

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Quote from: SZZT on April 05, 2014, 06:08:50 AM

seriously, if any threats have been made by either side, they should be made public. These allegations are bad for everyone involved.

Some of them are public, but most will go on behind PMs etc. neither will go anywhere though so they may as well just drop it.

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seriously, if any threats have been made by either side, they should be made public. These allegations are bad for everyone involved.

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Quote from: coinnewbit on April 05, 2014, 05:17:26 AM

Quote from: mdzedzej on April 03, 2014, 09:07:15 PM

2 weeks of threats from ritzgrandcasino..... god this is tiring, went ahead and hired a lawyer. they are still threatening me if any lawyers read this and specialize in defamation law please pm me lol would like a second opinion,

you hired a LAWYERjust because of Ritz's opinion and statements? how bout sending the money to me. Better use of that money.

Both legal threats from either side are probably hot air, just like they always are on the Internet. I'd just quit harassing each other and et it die less it'll go nowhere.