Topic: RitzGrandCasino not provably fair (Has nothing to do with their sig program) - page 3. (Read 10851 times)

What do you mean valid? You'll know whether it's valid or not on the 1st.

I assume the signature deal is still valid then? I might switch to other sites, but I really need that BTC. ( personal reasons )

Another kid on forums that talks bullshit without having done his homework.
If you don't know what you are talking, then go to the corner of your bedroom and stay there.

What proof you got above?
That the developer allows his clients to adjust the symbol distribution and paytable and this way influence the payouts and hit%? What's wrong there? Or maybe I should ask, what is wrong with you?
Do you even know what that means? Of course you don't. You are too dumb to know and you just try to find a guilt for RitzCasino.
I will enlighten you a little how normal land casinos do this legally and how online casinos do it too. Just dare to disagree with me.

So let's say someone wants to open a land casino named "Casino Spartan82isdumb" . He then looks for a provider and games. He decides to go with one of the big giants of the industry that sells slots. I am not here to advertise anybody so I won't give names. The slot distributor tells the buyer the RTP of his games (let's say 90% for slot XXX, so that the buyer may know his expected profit) and sells to him the machine with the game or rents the machine to him. Later, at any time, the casino owner can request a different hit% and payout% for any game. How is that possible? Like any hardware based or online slot, the payouts (RTP) are calculated using a formula that involves the symbol distribution per reel and the paytable. EG: Slot XXX has a RTP of 80% which is calculated using the symbol distribution on each reel and the paytable. So the slot seller comes in the casino when no players are playing, changes a piece of hardware and the game has a different RTP (payout) .. let's say 85%, because the symbol configuration and the paytable were changed. For online slots it is more simple. You simply adjust some paytable values and the symbol distribution and that's it. You don't need to replace any hardware.
The hardware slot developer probably has many hardware, one for each payout percentage interval (EG: 98-99%, 95-96%, etc).
There are many predefined reel distributions that can be configured and calculated to determine a different payout%. If someone wants, hardware developer or online slot developer, they can create 1000 possible combinations of the reel distributions one for each RTP value from the interval 50-99.99%.
So what's wrong in this? Nothing.

What does this RTP or payout mean?
When you combine the reels and make combinations of 3 symbols out of each reel, you decide the reel stops.
Using the positions where the stops are placed, the paytable values and the payline diagrams, you then start to calculate the win of the player. That is the win the player will get for that symbol combinations from the 5 reels.
Now if you do this for all possible combinations, you obtain the RTP of the game. There are some more formulas added to this like the frequency of scatters and bonus, (if the game has bonus or scatters), but these are also influenced by the symbols distribution and in my example I talk only about a simple 5 REEL game.
The reason of calculating the RTP is so that the owner can feel safe that a certain game will not overpay (have a RTP of over 100%), and that he will make a profit (100% - RTP = house edge = casino estimated profit).

When trying to go legal and obtain a gambling license, the games are verified by someone from the licensing jurisdiction. They verify the game rules and if the game works correctly according to the rules. Nothing else matters. The game has some rules that must be public to the player, as well as a paytable and it must follow the payouts there and each symbol combination (3-4-5 symbols per line) must be available at least once in RX spins (where RX is the total number of the possible reel combinations). They do not verify the RTP in most jurisdictions, except Italy, where the games need to have a minimum of around 70% or so (I dont know exactly), and the RTP must be displayed inside each game.
But we are not in Italy here. We are talking about unregulated gambling. Period.

So unless you know what you are talking, shut up.

Now you and RGBKey accuse RGC of doing illegal stuff? You should get a perma ban and have all your posts deleted and you should get a big fine for having a big mouth and talking all this garbage on the internet without any background or proof. You are confusing people with your stupidity. I really suggest that this topic or all your replies here should be deleted because all you do is talk garbage, like a troll, and confuse people.
FYI, bitcoin is illegal only in Russia, China, and definitely not California or UK. There are no regulated laws about bitcoin in UK or California, therefore nothing against bitcoin gambling is mentioned anywhere.
Gambling involves wagering real money, while bitcoin doesn't. Period.

Now please excuse my language, but if you had showed me any sign of a brain, I would have been more polite.

Huh? You can't just post like that without elaborating.

actually hes doing something else illegal and i wont point that out.

Be careful about that. If you get it shut down he'll almost certainly not pay for people's signatures. See what happens after the 1st. Also, are you sure Bitcoin gambling is illegal without a licence?

yeah but if hes hosting in UK he def can get the site shut down, due to him not having a license.  If I get time Ill contact them.    He wants to make threats about taking us to court for telling the truth.  Then I have some games to play also.

They are, his host is vidahost.com

could it be that the servers are based in UK?

I think they've all been self-moderated.


The casino states it's in the UK, but Ritz seems to be going by Californian time on here.

He does have a history of deleting posts, and the thread in services is self-moderated...

For those that for some reason still cannot understand this and continue to defend RGC for some reason, it is not upon me to provide proof that he is not provably fair. It is upon him to provide proof that he is, which he has not. That is his responsibility as a casino owner. I have already stated my points multiple times for how he is not provably fair. If you need me to expain it to you again, read the fucking thread.

The "deleting replies in thread" part of the title of this thread is about how he automatically deletes any critisicm to any part of his casino. Even if he just doesn't want to answer your question, he deletes it. If he were a responsible casino owner, he would address the concerns that people post in his thread instead of accusing the people bringing up valid points of being "shills", "trolls", and "scammers".

He has also emailed me threats to "take me to court", which I find hilarious because he can't possibly even know who I am. But that's besides the point, would you want to gamble somewhere where the casino owner threatens people after they make claims that the casino is cheating people?

I would not have created this thread if RGC had replied to my claims with actual thought and appreciation for the concern that people face. I cannot say that he is scamming people, but I can say that he is not provably fair, but continuously claims to be, which is a lie. Again, if you don't understand why he is not provably fair, read this thread again, i'm tired of explaining it.

This thread has nothing to do with the signature program he is running, although I think he will use some craftily used words in the OP to selectively screw people out of the money he owes them while claiming they were the ones that screwed up.

I am baffled to see people defending him, and I assume that most of them are either paid shills or he himself making different accounts. If you have the absolute lack of anything between your ears required to place bets at the sketchy casino run by a person that acts like he's 10 years old, then I would like to please ask you to never reply to this thread with your nonsense and go back to giving your money to this person. I am fully aware that some people have won, however that does not prove the casino's fairness.

If you have a valid argument against any of the points I have made above, post in this thread, that's what I made this thread for, so people could post without having their posts deleted by RGC. If you have come here to post nonsense without a valid point, I will ignore you and give you negative trust for cluttering this thread with your trolling.

I'm sure even if he does pay out that isn't going to satisfy the people who say his casino has not been proven provably fair. If he pays out I'm sure Stunna will just up his rates to match or better them, but I'd bet he'll wriggle out of paying a few people some way or another,

I for one will be very interested to see where threads such as this go after the 1st of April it seems we are all gonna be in for a big surprise on that day one way or another.  Here's hoping for a relatively positive outcome for everybody!

I'm not trying to make a point, that was RGBKey, but the title of the thread is RitzGrandCasino Scam, not provably fair, deleting replies in thread, but any and all of his shady behaviours can go in here.


Except his definition of a troll is quite large. He deletes any comment he doesn't want to answer.

RGBKey, you should start providing those proofs, people start moderated topics because they need to moderate them.
Evil trolls (this is not directed to you personally, don't get me wrong) are roaming these forums, you are implying that this serious problem does not exist with your accusation.

Also, his reasons for having a moderated thread are quite valid, it is up to you to prove the opposite.

Just contributing to the conversation.

Yet the discussion is still about him having a self moderated topic rather than providing proof for actual scams? You're trying to make a point of something people have already made a point of several times.

Eh? This is the thread about it.

Eh, who cares if it's self moderated? Just screenshot all your posts in the thread, if he deletes them without a reason and you suspect scam, make your own thread about it.

This is his reason apparently:



I wonder if he'll use one of the above excuses to not pay anyone?