Topic: Rollbit.com | Crypto's Most Rewarding Casino 👑 - page 52. (Read 69272 times)

You have a good point! But I rather got the said to me before, then after when I had won and will not get the money. But if someone get scared of reading it, maybe that's a reason for it to.
As I said... I been playing for years. Not a high roller, but play for around $5000 a month and never encounter this problem ever once.
Because be honest... They ain't allowed to play there but do it anyway, until they win. They the casino take the money. To casino already now he cant play there.. They just wait until he win big.
Sometimes you need to do something that maybe it's not fun... but maybe it will give you something back that was worth it in the end.
We cant get whatever we want just because we trying and point on the item, we are all adults and need to give and take. not only take.

And the majority will avoid it, this would almost only be applied to extreme high rollers, people like me.. that play for like $2000 a week, and been so for years, never encounter this problem.
When the amount of money getting very high, then its this problem often come up. Not always... But often.

You have many good points, but if we all work together, I am positive we could after sometime find a good solution that makes everyone happy, expect the casinos maybe, since they will lost alot of money.
But hey, the day after at least they can look them self in the mirror and smile.  

This is win/win/win. And to be honest I think we will go closer to something like this, this wild-wild-western casino drama that going on right now, won't stand forever, maybe that's way this all bullshit they doing? Some mini-small-exitscam... When this scam accustions increase with like 100% then we should be aware, that a exit-scam is close

And will all this said, I love to betting... I bet a lot... So it's not that I want all online casinos to shut down, I just want it to be some transparent.
They already make millions of millions of millions... But still so greedy when they send this impossible KYC to HONEST customers. I don't understand why we just all can have fun together. 
And often when they reply they is like "Oh he multi accounting" But no proofs or anything... Just words. They think they stand over the customers, but without customers they have nothing.

My biggest dream was that all this was working 100% fine..... Catch the real cheaters and ban them, and I understand sometimes it can be wrong and they catch a honest gambler, but then they should apologize more then once, give some free gifts and of course give all money back, but I doubt things like that happen.

And they hiding on some Islands...... so nobody know who this persons are, and the more famous... Good luck confront them and ask what the fuck is wrong in he's greedy head.

This was getting a long post, with a lot of bla bla... I guess I had to get some emotions out hah... Love to you all that took your time to read it!

I dont see why a gambling site would even want to implement this. Its basically like saying, hey gimme your identity or else you wont be able to play in here and why would someone want to give away their identity to an unknown site that he visited for the first time? Its just a bad idea and potentially scaring a first time customer away

Either way, even if most people are now fond with KYC on a crypto casino but the majority would still want to avoid it

That's true, whenever I see accusations without screenshots I ignore them, there are many trolls who always try to make their casino look bad, they invent a great story, and with a lot of Drama , and those things without Evidence are simple , the words they are blown away by the wind , then yes the kyc yes this and tha t, what I see is that rollbit is a place because it has always had a good Reputation and they have many good things to give and Offer , I don't think the casino is for Anyone a tremendous problem is going to arise, what I think about this type of problem is that firstly it is not in this thread that you Should complain, and secondly , if you do , you should put the screen Captures.

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In all seriousness, though, this issue of sudden spike of complaint has been addressed by Razer,



Know the difference between defending an entity and clarifying situation by straigthening some facts. What decodx did was simply the later; straightening some facts from the misleading statement you made [though you've said it's not important for you, so I don't see the point of bringing this point to light as you've seemingly made your stance]

This is 100% true, and that should be the most important part of the situation and shouldn't really have anything that would be crazy in result. I get that we are not going to end up with a situation that would be fine or something like that, but it should end up with something that would make sense on the long run.

I get that it's not easy to catch all of them, so some people do end up with a result that hurts a bit, but that doesn't mean that we are going to end up with a zero caught rate neither, some of them will be caught after a while and they will keep on complaining. Anyone would know that complaint is actually blackmail, as in "I will keep on complaining everywhere until you pay me" and glad that casinos do not get baited.

No smoke without fire, okay if it was like one... but it's a lot more. Just scroll the other sides, and then think how many more is it outside this forum?

If you work for them or not, I couldn't care less. But it's clear you have some interest in defending them and for what reason is not important for me.
For me the important things is if honest people lost their money from some impossible KYC demand or anything else made up bullshit, its so greedy and wrong, disgusting.
I promise you this happens a lot, often.. on many more casinos, not only this one. But if you say "No this never happens" Then I think this is not the right place for you.
Of course sometimes, they actually catch a real person who have cheated, but nut only.
I think its rare to admit a mistake and cash out their money, it's easier to just dig your hand into the sand and say "no no no no no".
Crypto Casinos is nothing else like Wild Western..

A part of me like it, but a bigger part of me does not, I also play daily on crypto casinos, but I never had a problem like this. I never ever even been asked for KYC  
So I am a proof of if you do everything right, and don't violated them terms, they will leave you alone and cash out your winnings all the time. Now I have not got any 100K USD winning (yet  )
But maybe soon?  My cash outs is often around $400-$1000 so I guess I am in a to low stake to even counter a problem like this.

Now it did a little bit messy.... But my easy point is, if you honest you should never encounter this problem, if you not honest, you should of course encounter this problem.
Mistakes happens all the time, we all are humans. But what should we do then, when we realize its a mistake?? That's the question.

And also.... Is it not possible to get a better way to fix this KYC shit? If somebody gonna bet for maybe $100.000 and he can win like $500.000 why not some thing auto-stop the bet, and support say something likes this?
"Hello dear customer, to be able to play this high stake and if you win and and want to cash out this amount, so we must do a KYC on you. I prefer you do it before the bet starts then after. Because is you pass, then you will not encounter any problem with the withdrawal. I touched it here little https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62763614
And I am not a smart entrepreneur, its for sure thousands of easeir way to implate this, but it's possible to do. That I can sure you 100%.

Of course it would make all the casinos profits less less less less a lot! But right now its so fucking sneaky and hard to find out stuff.. and it feels like if a worker don't have money for lunch that day, he just searching to lock some account.... But all this problems would almost vanish, it always something. But its a way to go, I think it's much smarter people then me on this forum that understand what I meaning and could explain even better.BTC

Make KYC before customer start betting (if he is a super high staker, or if you see something strange unusal here, this would not apply "normal" players that betting low amounts) and not after he want to cash out winnings!
I know it's some negative things with this, and also positive things with this, but if we really sitting down and explore it with a open mind, I am sure we would find out some solution.


Anyway I didn't want to step on someones toes or anything.   Just think it's whats going on now.. Since I been here I see a lot of scam accusations, not only on Rollbit. also on many many more casinos. and I understand... most is probably just a angry addicted that want his money back and play more, but I can guarantee you that's that not only the case. Some honest people are getting hit by this shit to, and that's is stealing. Just because you run a casino you can't act however you want. But it seems like company that giving them licenses don't give AF. And I can understand them to, they don't want to lose any money.
I could just imagine if  they would start real controls now... I think at least like 15%-20% casinos would had to close on the spot. But probably many many more.
They could steal millions from their customers, if they just do it smart and quite, and it will never ever come up to any authorized company.

It's a very rough big jungle where only the strong can make profit and survive. Threat your honest customers good, because I can assure you it's not only tilted angry kids that create a Scam Accusations against you!
You would still be super rich and make millions of millions of millions, so everyone happy! And your reputation will get 11/10 and that would make you get a lot of more customers to! Come on. I support you!


This is only some cheap ideas, i am sure many many people on this forum is much more into this and is better in worlds and speak then I do.. But we must start somewhere.
Let's do a change together, and I am almost sure that all people here would have something to say about in the end.
I think if casino get scam accusations against them here, it would echo even more outside the forum, and heart the casino alot!
But if noting happens, they the casino would see that they have free hands, nothing happens when they act like this.. so it will excelerate to.......... Yeah... who knows how much more they can go.

But if I can ask some users here, what would you do, if you have some kind of lotto or sports betting like small and private, and some of your clients won big big big, lets say 10BTC you can't cower it at the time, but will in a week or so.. Would you go the right way or easy way? This client is also a legit, honest and good.
But instead of go this way, you start with KYC.. Then you see he passed that. Would you be fine there and wait and cash out? Or start to be greedy and try to get this money in your pocket.
So lets say.. you pay back what he started to bet with, lets say its 1BTC so you could do to give back his 1BTC and keep 9BTC This 9BTC would change a lot in your life... BUT...
Your reputation will not be good, at least for the time, or just cash out the 10BTC to him.. and maybe, just maybe your reputation will bloom! And the future can be very light and good for you since you honest.
But it's not sure at all. Honest way or Easy way? - I am almost positive that on this forum its not only honest replies! So take that in advance.


Thanks for reading, now I just want to say I am not a pro in this case! I am just a very interesting layman in this things in life.

Please, reply with your idea's and what you think about what I said, I guess something I said is BS.. But I hope the most is good and worth reading! Better to get a active speaking about this!

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Did you manage to solve your problem at the casino? Since 5 days since you created an account here on the forum and posted your complaint and then you disappeared, I'm wondering if you've already managed to resolve your problem at the casino. Honestly, I'm shocked when I see people doing this kind of thing: they create an account, make a single post complaining, don't post any proof and then disappear. So I wonder: did the person spend time creating an account on this forum for nothing? What is the purpose of these people doing this?

They don't post proof, they don't actively explain everything that happened in more detail, they don't say if they've already contacted support and what the support guys said. they simply make 1 post without proof and details and disappear forever. The problem with this type of behavior, is that there are times when the casino may be working poorly, making selective payments, and when people complain they don't post proof, they aren't active in their complaints, so more people continue using the casino because they will be thinking that the casino is trustworthy and that the accusations that are posted against it are not fake

That's why I want to appeal to people that when they are going to make an accusation, post evidence, do not create an account and just make a post with some accusation without proof and then disappear, by doing this they are not helping themselves and they are not helping other people, and it is necessary Be aware that if you have a problem at a casino that has not been resolved and you expose that problem, you are also helping other people to avoid that casino. I hope people realize that. since this guy @Archer333 didn't post any proof, then we can consider his post as being unimportant

A casino rejecting a gamblers kyc verification document he or she submitted is not a proof in it's entirety that the casino is shady, atleast, we all here have seen multiple cases where some reputable casinos rejects the document a user submitted for kyc verification, on the ground that the document is not exactly what the casino requested or requires for the verification of the level which the gambler is applying for ..

I can draw an example from Stake whenever they ask a customer to go through a level 4 verification for what ever reason, poof of funds is one of the documents required for verification approval for this level, and many a times, Stake end up rejecting documents a user submitted for the level 4 verification because they often submit what is totally different from what Stake is requesting for, does this mean that Stake is shady? , of course not.

Casinos should follow what KYC compliant exchange so that they will not be questioned about why they had been ask for KYC. They should put thay notice or send some notification on email so that there's no confusion for other who usually don't read the TOS or no question will be asked if they tell to their costumer to send this details to them for verification or other purposes. For that it can make people decide if they want to continue or not while its early.

This is the advantage of completing the kyc requirement before playing. You don't have to worry even you win huge because you're already verified. There are really cases wherein a certain casino is holding a gambler's winnings or not accepting the documents for some reason. Well, it only happened if the site where you're playing is shady. In addition, it's a must for all gamblers to read the ToS of the casino so we're aware of their rules and can prevent ourselves violating any of it.

I think KYC had never been a problem for a gambler that hides nothing.  Only those who have problem with their identity and wanted to stay in private who make KYC as an issue because they don't want themselves exposed.  Others even lying just to make them look the victim but in fact they are exploiting the casino, through multiple account reason why they don't want to undergo KYC because they already did made it on their other account.  

KYC processing is very easy and can be approved in a matter of minutes to days depending on the level of KYC. I also agree that for the smooth sailing experience, it is better to undergo KYC before depositing any amount to play on a platform that requires it.

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I also think the case should be escalated to higher authority for mediation.

The biggest problem has always been the verification of the KYC, what you are talking about is good to apply, pass the KYC by the time the exchange is activated because everything related to verification is already ready so that you do not have any problem So when this is done there should no longer be a problem, the same thing I think should be done with the casinos, before depositing the KYC process should be completed because it is annoying if you play, win and then they put in a lot of hurdles to pass the KYC , this is something that I do not recommend that anyone let it pass because at the moment of withdrawing no one likes to wait, sometimes a player may feel that the player does not want to grant him the withdrawal.

Absolutely right,  I saw the same thread, it was pretty active in the gambling discussion board for several weeks if not months, and I pretty much agree, and it is the same thing I do with most exchanges I sign up on, I go through the verification process immediately after sign up and make sure to get verified before making any deposits ..though are times when I end up not using the exchange but then, I already have a verified account just incase one day, something comes up and I have need to use the exchange, I won't have to bother myself with kyc verification any more..

For gambling casino, I am not a user of too many casinos, and I am already verified in the two casinos I use the most, and they are stake and 1xbet , Stake is my international casino where I play with crypto, while 1xbet is my local casino where I play with local currency..

I still play on some other casinos like Rollbit and co, but it's only occasional and on special events, not verified here but always ready to any time I win amount that will require to before I withdraw.

I saw an advice in a thread in the gambling discussion section that said it's prolly better to do your KYC stuff right away even before you make a deposit esp if you're planning on making a large deposit.  What this does is you make sure your ID and other docs are good and acceptable for the gambling site.

It's what I used to do when I was playing poker hard core back in the say and it's what I still do with crypto exchanges even if I don't have any plans to make any deposit right away.   I mean yeah I know the privacy stuff, they're out to get you, yadda yadda yadda...  But really, how are we supposed to avoid KYC these days?  Might as well just do it.  If you don't want to, then don't make a deposit.

You are not being ignored, as I've told you on your accusation thread and here earlier, they've give their willingness to escalate this issue to their licensor and will fully cooperate there, where every evidences can be given in confidence. You can refer to the recent posts in your thread [which I am sure you're aware of, as you can post another things after I updated you] if you want to move your case and get to the bottom of it as fast as it can.

Rules are clear and bold enough and those users just try to break rules intentionally because they think they are smart enough to outsmart the casino. What do they have at the end?

They only can complain without proof to show that they are innocent and victim. In contrast, the casino has full set of data for user law-breaking activities and when they pull the serious card like account termination, it's serious enough because they don't easily self-harm their reputation. I've seen many cases like this, complain day by day, use bad words and eventually when results are out from customer support, more violations are detected.

In that case, Rollbit did their processings for withdrawal of that user a few times, before they terminate his account. Total amount of approved withdrawals is not small as I recall.

It sucks but because he abused the casino, exploited it, he has to end with a failed, invalid accusation.

This is how they ruin a site though, most of those accusations are fake and not supported by the fact.
Though in some cases the Rollbit team is able to solve it as they are cooperating with the gambler as well.
This accusation will remain as an accusation if there’s no basis after all, and with this its just a proof that there’s no perfect site, this kind of problem can help the site to be more better, until those Fudster will stop bothering them.

When it comes to your case, proving it's a scam on their part isn't exactly straightforward. Rollbit claims they have substantial proof of your multi-accounting, while you deny it. So, it appears you have two choices here. You can either consider Rollbit Razer's offer or take this complaint to their licensor, who will ultimately determine the validity of the evidence against you.


That's not the case – they did respond to you in the chat and here. Now it's up to you to decide whether you want to go along with their request or consider other options.

It's mostly people who do not follow the rules and when the casino takes away their money (and most of the time that money is frozen, not spent by the casino) because the user broke the rules, that means that the user will come back here and start to complain here, even some people who did not have a user account here and opens a newbie one just to complain about it only to find out later on that they were the ones who broke the rules.

The biggest defense those users have "if I lost money they would have let me do it, but because I won money they are not giving it to me" which makes no sense, by breaking the rule if you gain not advantage of course nobody will limit you, why would they, that's the consequence you got already, but if you gain an advantage, someone has to stop you.

If you notice that there are no casinos that look clean on this forum, there are definitely problems and people who want to compete with this business in a dirty way, it doesn't matter what the accusations are as long as you can research them more deeply about the alleged case, maybe you will know the answer whether they pay and ignore it, sometimes there are casinos that ignore accusations because they are not proven to be true and gamblers are caught cheating.

So understand here that every casino always has accusations of some kind whether the person was paid by another casino to bring down another casino or whatever, understand and research again to find out more clearly, so far Rollbit is still operating and is still trusted by many of the gambling community in this forum.