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Quote from: dog1965 on November 03, 2015, 08:39:00 AM

Quote from: Biodom on October 24, 2015, 12:21:50 PM

Interesting rumors on imminent introduction of antminer S7 'lite" hashing at 3.5 Th
Speculate on price...
My take: ~3.5 BTC initially ($1000), eventually down to 3 BTC.

So much for this theory BITMAIN just posted two new batches 4 and 5 of the S7 and I don't see a S7 lite. so is this theory hogwash ?

This one could go either way, however rumoured release date was the 10th.

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Quote from: Biodom on October 24, 2015, 12:21:50 PM

Interesting rumors on imminent introduction of antminer S7 'lite" hashing at 3.5 Th
Speculate on price...
My take: ~3.5 BTC initially ($1000), eventually down to 3 BTC.

So much for this theory BITMAIN just posted two new batches 4 and 5 of the S7 and I don't see a S7 lite. so is this theory hogwash ?

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Quote from: QuintLeo on November 03, 2015, 05:40:50 AM

Quote from: notlist3d on November 02, 2015, 12:34:13 PM

I think you hit part of a important detail. Bitmain did a 28 nm on S7 and perfected the 28 nm, which made it easier to produce. And chances are higher profit per chip.

I have no doubt they have a 14nm dev ongoing, but I don't think we will hear a peep from them on lower NM till someone else comes out with one. For all we know BM has a 14nm ready to go. They have a massive amount of cash flow so there is not a lot out of their reach.

I suspect Bitmain is working to go straight to full custom on 14/16nm, as KnC and BitFury have already ANNOUNCED 14 or 16nm chips with full-custom level stats.
IIRC KnC has announced their "Solar" chips are in actual production (though their slow hash growth indicates some major yield issues).
IIRC BitFury has announced tapeout on their 14nm, but no production yet.

On the other hand, nobody is selling 14/16nm to end users yet, just to themselves and possibly major farms.

Also SFards say's they are back: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=985400.1600

So there could be some of those if they do what they are talking about. Lot's of companies and lots of unknowns.

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Quote from: notlist3d on November 02, 2015, 12:34:13 PM

I think you hit part of a important detail. Bitmain did a 28 nm on S7 and perfected the 28 nm, which made it easier to produce. And chances are higher profit per chip.

I have no doubt they have a 14nm dev ongoing, but I don't think we will hear a peep from them on lower NM till someone else comes out with one. For all we know BM has a 14nm ready to go. They have a massive amount of cash flow so there is not a lot out of their reach.

I suspect Bitmain is working to go straight to full custom on 14/16nm, as KnC and BitFury have already ANNOUNCED 14 or 16nm chips with full-custom level stats.
IIRC KnC has announced their "Solar" chips are in actual production (though their slow hash growth indicates some major yield issues).
IIRC BitFury has announced tapeout on their 14nm, but no production yet.

On the other hand, nobody is selling 14/16nm to end users yet, just to themselves and possibly major farms.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on November 02, 2015, 05:02:11 PM

gear has to show fast or don't bother.

hell with current price of coin at 360 usd s-3's are good gear again.

I am kinda kicking myself. I got rid of my S4's when it was at 230's. I just was not making much compared to sell price, and was afraid of newer miners pushing down price.

So they would be much more profitable now then they were when I sold them. A ROI is a ROI.... but I hate knowing there was more I could have gotten. I'm not perfect i guess

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'The right to privacy matters'

gear has to show fast or don't bother.

hell with current price of coin at 360 usd s-3's are good gear again.

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Quote from: VirosaGITS on November 02, 2015, 04:30:11 PM

Quote from: notlist3d on November 02, 2015, 04:58:00 AM

Quote from: RichBC on November 02, 2015, 04:09:27 AM

Quote from: VirosaGITS on November 02, 2015, 03:57:24 AM

It kinda sound like they came up with a business plan and they don't have any work done beside some sketch and they want money to fund the development. We all know how these things went in the past...

I'd sure like some more steak to the gravy before throwing money that won't earn a cent for a long time, or maybe never.

If this was owned by a lesser organisation than LK Group Limited and CHBTC I would agree with you. I think it "will be" real however, there is high risk in the 14nm technology. I think a number of Companies have felt the need to make announcements a bit ahead of when they were fully ready in reaction to the Bitmain S7. So this B-Eleven & the Avalon6 fall into this category.

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I would agree this is not a standard rendering where they are out to scam. This a big company and released quite a few products in the past.

14nm is going to be interesting if they heat deadlines. The ones that stayed at 28nm seem to be the current winners. Avalon if true at all on timeframe we should see it in a few weeks. But we all know how some products can be on deadlines.

I find it interesting that avalon 6 and new rumored new s7 are so close together in time frames. One could have did a announcement to effect others sales. Its quite a cut throat business.

I'm not saying its a scam, i'm saying we all know how pre-order work out. You pay now because its a good price now and then when you do get it, its worthless because the market changed too much since then.

And seeing how quick BTC went up and how much difficulty raise we're looking at, it could just easily go down by the time these hit the door.

I know I learned my lesson with Blackarrow and preordering Tongue

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Mine was terrahash long long ago. Looked great and even had a prototype... .but it fell apart before final product. I was lucky I use paypal.

I'm rather suprised they scammed a lot of money and we really never hear a lot about them. Like 2-3 sued but don't know if they got money or not back.

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Quote from: notlist3d on November 02, 2015, 04:58:00 AM

Quote from: RichBC on November 02, 2015, 04:09:27 AM

Quote from: VirosaGITS on November 02, 2015, 03:57:24 AM

It kinda sound like they came up with a business plan and they don't have any work done beside some sketch and they want money to fund the development. We all know how these things went in the past...

I'd sure like some more steak to the gravy before throwing money that won't earn a cent for a long time, or maybe never.

If this was owned by a lesser organisation than LK Group Limited and CHBTC I would agree with you. I think it "will be" real however, there is high risk in the 14nm technology. I think a number of Companies have felt the need to make announcements a bit ahead of when they were fully ready in reaction to the Bitmain S7. So this B-Eleven & the Avalon6 fall into this category.

Rich

I would agree this is not a standard rendering where they are out to scam. This a big company and released quite a few products in the past.

14nm is going to be interesting if they heat deadlines. The ones that stayed at 28nm seem to be the current winners. Avalon if true at all on timeframe we should see it in a few weeks. But we all know how some products can be on deadlines.

I find it interesting that avalon 6 and new rumored new s7 are so close together in time frames. One could have did a announcement to effect others sales. Its quite a cut throat business.

I'm not saying its a scam, i'm saying we all know how pre-order work out. You pay now because its a good price now and then when you do get it, its worthless because the market changed too much since then.

And seeing how quick BTC went up and how much difficulty raise we're looking at, it could just easily go down by the time these hit the door.

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Quote from: notlist3d on November 02, 2015, 12:34:13 PM

Quote from: RichBC on November 02, 2015, 11:10:58 AM

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Quote from: RichBC on November 02, 2015, 04:09:27 AM

If this was owned by a lesser organisation than LK Group Limited and CHBTC I would agree with you. I think it "will be" real however, there is high risk in the 14nm technology. I think a number of Companies have felt the need to make announcements a bit ahead of when they were fully ready in reaction to the Bitmain S7. So this B-Eleven & the Avalon6 fall into this category.

Rich

Well we are going to see a lot of growth at 14nm, remember the S3 was 28nm and look at the efficiency of the S7 to it. If they get their foot in the door and get experience they could be way ahead of the curve when it comes to 14nm reliability and hashrates.

Agreed there may well be longer term rewards, just saying that at this point in time it carries risk, and could delay availability. They may be playing their cards close the their chest but having a TBD on the number of chips does make you wonder where they are with the development?

At the moment if I was Bitmain with a tried & tested 28nm Fully Custom shipping at premium price, and no doubt with 14nm in development I would be feeling quite comfortable.

Rich

I think you hit part of a important detail. Bitmain did a 28 nm on S7 and perfected the 28 nm, which made it easier to produce. And chances are higher profit per chip.

I have no doubt they have a 14nm dev ongoing, but I don't think we will hear a peep from them on lower NM till someone else comes out with one. For all we know BM has a 14nm ready to go. They have a massive amount of cash flow so there is not a lot out of their reach.

This is true, I wonder if they would start selling the miners to large warehouses under an NDA before announcing it to us or while continuing to work on it.

I bet if they do have 14nm they keep it top secret and only very trusted employees. We have seen NDA from big datacenter does not always hold them:

Quote from: pcfli on October 23, 2015, 08:29:23 PM

New s7 information
bitmain told me that new s7 will be released to market after another 10 days, so should be on 10th Nov, they deduce the chip amount on s7, so the hashrate of new s7 will be only around 3.5T. The price for new s7 still under discussion and will be released next week

True or not we don't know yet. But he is only one to leak this data, and no doubt had NDA. There are always those who have reasons on releasing data, so even with NDA it's not perfect.

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Quote from: RichBC on November 02, 2015, 11:10:58 AM

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Quote from: RichBC on November 02, 2015, 04:09:27 AM

If this was owned by a lesser organisation than LK Group Limited and CHBTC I would agree with you. I think it "will be" real however, there is high risk in the 14nm technology. I think a number of Companies have felt the need to make announcements a bit ahead of when they were fully ready in reaction to the Bitmain S7. So this B-Eleven & the Avalon6 fall into this category.

Rich

Well we are going to see a lot of growth at 14nm, remember the S3 was 28nm and look at the efficiency of the S7 to it. If they get their foot in the door and get experience they could be way ahead of the curve when it comes to 14nm reliability and hashrates.

Agreed there may well be longer term rewards, just saying that at this point in time it carries risk, and could delay availability. They may be playing their cards close the their chest but having a TBD on the number of chips does make you wonder where they are with the development?

At the moment if I was Bitmain with a tried & tested 28nm Fully Custom shipping at premium price, and no doubt with 14nm in development I would be feeling quite comfortable.

Rich

I think you hit part of a important detail. Bitmain did a 28 nm on S7 and perfected the 28 nm, which made it easier to produce. And chances are higher profit per chip.

I have no doubt they have a 14nm dev ongoing, but I don't think we will hear a peep from them on lower NM till someone else comes out with one. For all we know BM has a 14nm ready to go. They have a massive amount of cash flow so there is not a lot out of their reach.

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Quote from: RichBC on November 02, 2015, 04:09:27 AM

If this was owned by a lesser organisation than LK Group Limited and CHBTC I would agree with you. I think it "will be" real however, there is high risk in the 14nm technology. I think a number of Companies have felt the need to make announcements a bit ahead of when they were fully ready in reaction to the Bitmain S7. So this B-Eleven & the Avalon6 fall into this category.

Rich

Well we are going to see a lot of growth at 14nm, remember the S3 was 28nm and look at the efficiency of the S7 to it. If they get their foot in the door and get experience they could be way ahead of the curve when it comes to 14nm reliability and hashrates.

Agreed there may well be longer term rewards, just saying that at this point in time it carries risk, and could delay availability. They may be playing their cards close the their chest but having a TBD on the number of chips does make you wonder where they are with the development?

At the moment if I was Bitmain with a tried & tested 28nm Fully Custom shipping at premium price, and no doubt with 14nm in development I would be feeling quite comfortable.

Rich

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Quote from: RichBC on November 02, 2015, 04:09:27 AM

Quote from: VirosaGITS on November 02, 2015, 03:57:24 AM

It kinda sound like they came up with a business plan and they don't have any work done beside some sketch and they want money to fund the development. We all know how these things went in the past...

I'd sure like some more steak to the gravy before throwing money that won't earn a cent for a long time, or maybe never.

If this was owned by a lesser organisation than LK Group Limited and CHBTC I would agree with you. I think it "will be" real however, there is high risk in the 14nm technology. I think a number of Companies have felt the need to make announcements a bit ahead of when they were fully ready in reaction to the Bitmain S7. So this B-Eleven & the Avalon6 fall into this category.

Rich

I would agree this is not a standard rendering where they are out to scam. This a big company and released quite a few products in the past.

14nm is going to be interesting if they heat deadlines. The ones that stayed at 28nm seem to be the current winners. Avalon if true at all on timeframe we should see it in a few weeks. But we all know how some products can be on deadlines.

I find it interesting that avalon 6 and new rumored new s7 are so close together in time frames. One could have did a announcement to effect others sales. Its quite a cut throat business.

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Quote from: VirosaGITS on November 02, 2015, 03:57:24 AM

It kinda sound like they came up with a business plan and they don't have any work done beside some sketch and they want money to fund the development. We all know how these things went in the past...

I'd sure like some more steak to the gravy before throwing money that won't earn a cent for a long time, or maybe never.

If this was owned by a lesser organisation than LK Group Limited and CHBTC I would agree with you. I think it "will be" real however, there is high risk in the 14nm technology. I think a number of Companies have felt the need to make announcements a bit ahead of when they were fully ready in reaction to the Bitmain S7. So this B-Eleven & the Avalon6 fall into this category.

Rich

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Based on the posted info, it appears there might be 3 models specificically planned with option to add one or more additional models later - one at appx. 3TH, one at appx. 5TH, and one at appx. 10TH.

I speculate (based on the renderings posted info) that this might mean one case used with either 1 hashboard, 2 hashboard, or 3/4 hashboard options (the renderings appear to show space for 3, dunno if they can cram 4 in).

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It kinda sound like they came up with a business plan and they don't have any work done beside some sketch and they want money to fund the development. We all know how these things went in the past...

Doesn't seem likely in this case, Lketc has a good rep for delivering on their claims.
On the other hand, actual miners have NOT gone on presale, just the hashing.

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Quote from: Amph on November 02, 2015, 02:53:46 AM

Quote from: dog1965 on October 31, 2015, 11:47:29 AM

Is this real or fake ? if its real which I doubt the specs are awesome and great competition for BITMAIN so they lower there price.

https://www.bw.com/pool/miner

if this is real then it seems that it could be bigger than the s7, because the hashpower it say that is still unknown, from 3 to 10 tera, i doubt it will be 5th as it will be like the s7

and 10th would mean a much greater investment for miners, i hope for 3th

It kinda sound like they came up with a business plan and they don't have any work done beside some sketch and they want money to fund the development. We all know how these things went in the past...

I'd sure like some more steak to the gravy before throwing money that won't earn a cent for a long time, or maybe never.

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Quote from: dog1965 on October 31, 2015, 11:47:29 AM

Is this real or fake ? if its real which I doubt the specs are awesome and great competition for BITMAIN so they lower there price.

https://www.bw.com/pool/miner

if this is real then it seems that it could be bigger than the s7, because the hashpower it say that is still unknown, from 3 to 10 tera, i doubt it will be 5th as it will be like the s7

and 10th would mean a much greater investment for miners, i hope for 3th

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Quote from: VirosaGITS on November 01, 2015, 08:36:30 PM

Quote from: notlist3d on November 01, 2015, 08:35:11 PM

Quote from: BitcoinNewsMagazine on November 01, 2015, 07:07:22 PM

Quote from: QuintLeo on November 01, 2015, 06:03:13 AM

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Is this real or fake ?

The B-Eleven has not been released yet - it appears to be targeted to be released in December, and all available signs point to it being "real" in the sence that it's being actively worked on by a reputable company and will be "real" and for sale fairly soon.

Most of the specs seem to be out there except price - current speculation is that the price might be around .87 Bitcoin/TH but there's at least one other post that had the price listed as $500/TH with ZERO reference to where that price came from.

BW.com is in part owned by Lketc of "Dragon miner" fame, THEY have been around awhile and their equipment has a good reputation for being reliable (but heavy).
There has been speculation that it will be using the "tapeout announced a few months back" Innosilicon A3 chips, given Lketc's relationship with Innosilicon from the A1 chip days and the similarity of what specs have been announced between the B-Eleven and the A3, but nothing is certain on that front yet AFAIK.

IMO for any miner to be viable at this point in the .2-.3 watt/TH range, they need to drop the price down to 1BTC OR LESS per TH - as of right now, none of the currently available "new gen" or announced "next gen" miners has a viable chance to achieve RoI if your electric rate is over 3 cents / KWH, and they're all REAL MARGINAL even with 3cent power.

BW is already pre-selling B-Eleven hash at 0.78 bitcoin per TH/s with 4700 + TH unsold out of 10000 TH. They predict Jan 1, 2016 delivery.

If they sell a physical miner at .78 per TH and are close to january even, they would sell MANY of these. That is a heck of a price per TH.

Will be intersting to see what happens. I really want more info about these units.

Kind of a lot of money to throw at a pre-order that may come out way too late. Especially with the current Diff increase. It look like profitability will a drop by quite a bit. Also, is that site even trusted? I never heard of it.

They come from a trusted company LKETC I believe:

BW.com was established in Aug. 2014, co-founded by one of the largest miner manufacturers in the world---LK Group, Ltd and one of the largest exchanges in the world---CHBTC.com. BW is dedicated to providing users a simple, professional, safe and efficient mining platform

LKETC was once very trusted and pumped out ton's of A1's (1T dragons). But so far there are just renderings... I don't think we have seen a prototype. I kinda have a rule to not invest on renderings just as it does not prove a whole lot. I think they will have the miner, and make a massive cloud service. But january... not sure on if they hit that.

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Quote from: notlist3d on November 01, 2015, 08:35:11 PM

Quote from: BitcoinNewsMagazine on November 01, 2015, 07:07:22 PM

Quote from: QuintLeo on November 01, 2015, 06:03:13 AM

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Is this real or fake ?

The B-Eleven has not been released yet - it appears to be targeted to be released in December, and all available signs point to it being "real" in the sence that it's being actively worked on by a reputable company and will be "real" and for sale fairly soon.

Most of the specs seem to be out there except price - current speculation is that the price might be around .87 Bitcoin/TH but there's at least one other post that had the price listed as $500/TH with ZERO reference to where that price came from.

BW.com is in part owned by Lketc of "Dragon miner" fame, THEY have been around awhile and their equipment has a good reputation for being reliable (but heavy).
There has been speculation that it will be using the "tapeout announced a few months back" Innosilicon A3 chips, given Lketc's relationship with Innosilicon from the A1 chip days and the similarity of what specs have been announced between the B-Eleven and the A3, but nothing is certain on that front yet AFAIK.

IMO for any miner to be viable at this point in the .2-.3 watt/TH range, they need to drop the price down to 1BTC OR LESS per TH - as of right now, none of the currently available "new gen" or announced "next gen" miners has a viable chance to achieve RoI if your electric rate is over 3 cents / KWH, and they're all REAL MARGINAL even with 3cent power.

BW is already pre-selling B-Eleven hash at 0.78 bitcoin per TH/s with 4700 + TH unsold out of 10000 TH. They predict Jan 1, 2016 delivery.

If they sell a physical miner at .78 per TH and are close to january even, they would sell MANY of these. That is a heck of a price per TH.

Will be intersting to see what happens. I really want more info about these units.

Kind of a lot of money to throw at a pre-order that may come out way too late. Especially with the current Diff increase. It look like profitability will a drop by quite a bit. Also, is that site even trusted? I never heard of it.

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Quote from: BitcoinNewsMagazine on November 01, 2015, 07:07:22 PM

Quote from: QuintLeo on November 01, 2015, 06:03:13 AM

Quote

Is this real or fake ?

The B-Eleven has not been released yet - it appears to be targeted to be released in December, and all available signs point to it being "real" in the sence that it's being actively worked on by a reputable company and will be "real" and for sale fairly soon.

Most of the specs seem to be out there except price - current speculation is that the price might be around .87 Bitcoin/TH but there's at least one other post that had the price listed as $500/TH with ZERO reference to where that price came from.

BW.com is in part owned by Lketc of "Dragon miner" fame, THEY have been around awhile and their equipment has a good reputation for being reliable (but heavy).
There has been speculation that it will be using the "tapeout announced a few months back" Innosilicon A3 chips, given Lketc's relationship with Innosilicon from the A1 chip days and the similarity of what specs have been announced between the B-Eleven and the A3, but nothing is certain on that front yet AFAIK.

IMO for any miner to be viable at this point in the .2-.3 watt/TH range, they need to drop the price down to 1BTC OR LESS per TH - as of right now, none of the currently available "new gen" or announced "next gen" miners has a viable chance to achieve RoI if your electric rate is over 3 cents / KWH, and they're all REAL MARGINAL even with 3cent power.

BW is already pre-selling B-Eleven hash at 0.78 bitcoin per TH/s with 4700 + TH unsold out of 10000 TH. They predict Jan 1, 2016 delivery.

If they sell a physical miner at .78 per TH and are close to january even, they would sell MANY of these. That is a heck of a price per TH.

Will be intersting to see what happens. I really want more info about these units.

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Quote from: QuintLeo on November 01, 2015, 06:03:13 AM

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Is this real or fake ?

The B-Eleven has not been released yet - it appears to be targeted to be released in December, and all available signs point to it being "real" in the sence that it's being actively worked on by a reputable company and will be "real" and for sale fairly soon.

Most of the specs seem to be out there except price - current speculation is that the price might be around .87 Bitcoin/TH but there's at least one other post that had the price listed as $500/TH with ZERO reference to where that price came from.

BW.com is in part owned by Lketc of "Dragon miner" fame, THEY have been around awhile and their equipment has a good reputation for being reliable (but heavy).
There has been speculation that it will be using the "tapeout announced a few months back" Innosilicon A3 chips, given Lketc's relationship with Innosilicon from the A1 chip days and the similarity of what specs have been announced between the B-Eleven and the A3, but nothing is certain on that front yet AFAIK.

IMO for any miner to be viable at this point in the .2-.3 watt/TH range, they need to drop the price down to 1BTC OR LESS per TH - as of right now, none of the currently available "new gen" or announced "next gen" miners has a viable chance to achieve RoI if your electric rate is over 3 cents / KWH, and they're all REAL MARGINAL even with 3cent power.

BW is already pre-selling B-Eleven hash at 0.78 bitcoin per TH/s with 4700 + TH unsold out of 10000 TH. They predict Jan 1, 2016 delivery.

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