There isn't really much left to contribute to a thread like this.
I'm fairly certain all the points and opinions expressed here only served to enflame each person's pre-existing convictions. They did nothing to promote a constructive and balanced exchange.
Wouldn't be useful to point fingers either. Probably just better for anyone seeing this thread to let it go, maybe get up and go for a jog.
Can't argue with jogging.
Topic: russia to be free of sodomites, shuts down perverted anal sex activist rally (Read 3261 times)
June 08, 2015, 06:28:20 PM
June 07, 2015, 06:53:46 PM
^^^^
And now back to the topic. Why so much outcry about the treatment of gays in Russia? In Russia, the gays are allowed to do whatever they want, as long as they don't hurt anyone. But what about nations such as Qatar, Saudi Arabia.etc? The same people who criticize Russia on gay discrimination keep their silence, whenever anyone mentions the harassment faced by gays in Qatar or KSA. Why these double standards?
And now back to the topic. Why so much outcry about the treatment of gays in Russia? In Russia, the gays are allowed to do whatever they want, as long as they don't hurt anyone. But what about nations such as Qatar, Saudi Arabia.etc? The same people who criticize Russia on gay discrimination keep their silence, whenever anyone mentions the harassment faced by gays in Qatar or KSA. Why these double standards?
That's a logical fallacy my friend, just because something is worse somewhere else doesn't mean that the situation under discussion is acceptable.
These double standards do not exist, people who criticize Russia do not "keep their silence" when they hear about similar harassment in other countries. Russia is quite powerful, is historically important to the rest of the world, and hosts many global events. Therefore, there is abundant media coverage of Russia, including their political/societal stance on issues such as this. As a result, more people criticize them.
And now, back to the topic.
In Russia, gays are, as you say, technically allowed to do what they want. However what they are protesting against is not "being allowed by the state to have anal sex/suck each others dicks/scissor/whatever". They are protesting against not being accepted as proper members of society, and the "gay propaganda law" is exacerbating the issue, because it's allowing less evidence-based education about homosexuality and more misinformation.
Gays have to endure shit like being spat on in the street, being beaten up and generally ostracized by society. Some probably feel they need to hide their sexual preference from people. For example, if a Russian is publically gay, they would probably be far less likely to be hired for a job.
I'm not gay, and I don't enjoy watching gay men making out. If I'm honest, it does gross me out a little. However I also don't enjoy watching fat people make out. Nor would I want to watch members of my family have sex. Although I don't enjoy watching it I think people should be free to have sex with whoever they want, as long as the other party (parties) are consenting adults.
The thing that really gets to me about this thread is the association between gay culture and paedophilia. It's simply not true that many gays propagate any sort of paedophilic ideas. In fact, as I stated earlier in the thread, we see that historically, most paedophiles originate from conservative communities such as the catholic church.
The statistic that people keep repeating (that a third of victims of paedophilia are male) is probably true, but it's being misinterpreted. Just because the victims are male, you can't assume that their molesters are gay. Evidence shows that paedophilia is mostly related to power, not sexuality. We see a similar thing in prisons, where inmates are raped by the more powerful individuals. If anyone has got any real evidence that paedophilia is a product of gay culture, I'd like to see it.
There is also a huge misconception that reading/hearing about homosexuality will somehow turn more people gay, this I think is one of the assumptions of the "anti gay propaganda" law. Again, evidence has shown that people's sexuality seems to be genetically predisposed. Just look at some of the reports of US bible camps where they try to "pray away the gay!". Newsflash: It doesn't work very well.
Of course I wouldn't be happy with people distributing gay porn to minors, but nor would I be happy if it was regular porn. That's not the issue here, it's about people being accepted by the state and society no matter what their sexual preference (as long as parties involved are consenting adults). Pretty simple really.
This will probably be my last post in this thread, so I just want to make my opinion heard here.
I think it's sad that members of a Bitcoin community that is all about giving freedom and power to the individual over the state, can be so judgmental and ignorant about a culture that they clearly have no experience or knowledge of. Bryant, I've seen some of your comments relating to mass surveillance, and how we should have more power as individuals, yet you think that violent state intervention in gay society is somehow acceptable?
Doublethink at its finest.
Beautiful post, couldn't have said it better myself.
June 07, 2015, 02:32:32 PM
^^^^
And now back to the topic. Why so much outcry about the treatment of gays in Russia? In Russia, the gays are allowed to do whatever they want, as long as they don't hurt anyone. But what about nations such as Qatar, Saudi Arabia.etc? The same people who criticize Russia on gay discrimination keep their silence, whenever anyone mentions the harassment faced by gays in Qatar or KSA. Why these double standards?
And now back to the topic. Why so much outcry about the treatment of gays in Russia? In Russia, the gays are allowed to do whatever they want, as long as they don't hurt anyone. But what about nations such as Qatar, Saudi Arabia.etc? The same people who criticize Russia on gay discrimination keep their silence, whenever anyone mentions the harassment faced by gays in Qatar or KSA. Why these double standards?
That's a logical fallacy my friend, just because something is worse somewhere else doesn't mean that the situation under discussion is acceptable.
These double standards do not exist, people who criticize Russia do not "keep their silence" when they hear about similar harassment in other countries. Russia is quite powerful, is historically important to the rest of the world, and hosts many global events. Therefore, there is abundant media coverage of Russia, including their political/societal stance on issues such as this. As a result, more people criticize them.
And now, back to the topic.
In Russia, gays are, as you say, technically allowed to do what they want. However what they are protesting against is not "being allowed by the state to have anal sex/suck each others dicks/scissor/whatever". They are protesting against not being accepted as proper members of society, and the "gay propaganda law" is exacerbating the issue, because it's allowing less evidence-based education about homosexuality and more misinformation.
Gays have to endure shit like being spat on in the street, being beaten up and generally ostracized by society. Some probably feel they need to hide their sexual preference from people. For example, if a Russian is publically gay, they would probably be far less likely to be hired for a job.
I'm not gay, and I don't enjoy watching gay men making out. If I'm honest, it does gross me out a little. However I also don't enjoy watching fat people make out. Nor would I want to watch members of my family have sex. Although I don't enjoy watching it I think people should be free to have sex with whoever they want, as long as the other party (parties) are consenting adults.
The thing that really gets to me about this thread is the association between gay culture and paedophilia. It's simply not true that many gays propagate any sort of paedophilic ideas. In fact, as I stated earlier in the thread, we see that historically, most paedophiles originate from conservative communities such as the catholic church.
The statistic that people keep repeating (that a third of victims of paedophilia are male) is probably true, but it's being misinterpreted. Just because the victims are male, you can't assume that their molesters are gay. Evidence shows that paedophilia is mostly related to power, not sexuality. We see a similar thing in prisons, where inmates are raped by the more powerful individuals. If anyone has got any real evidence that paedophilia is a product of gay culture, I'd like to see it.
There is also a huge misconception that reading/hearing about homosexuality will somehow turn more people gay, this I think is one of the assumptions of the "anti gay propaganda" law. Again, evidence has shown that people's sexuality seems to be genetically predisposed. Just look at some of the reports of US bible camps where they try to "pray away the gay!". Newsflash: It doesn't work very well.
Of course I wouldn't be happy with people distributing gay porn to minors, but nor would I be happy if it was regular porn. That's not the issue here, it's about people being accepted by the state and society no matter what their sexual preference (as long as parties involved are consenting adults). Pretty simple really.
This will probably be my last post in this thread, so I just want to make my opinion heard here.
I think it's sad that members of a Bitcoin community that is all about giving freedom and power to the individual over the state, can be so judgmental and ignorant about a culture that they clearly have no experience or knowledge of. Bryant, I've seen some of your comments relating to mass surveillance, and how we should have more power as individuals, yet you think that violent state intervention in gay society is somehow acceptable?
Doublethink at its finest.
June 07, 2015, 01:23:49 AM
Really? You're going with LA as the 'homo capital of the world?' There are waaaaay gayer cities, both in terms of number of gays and percentage of population that is gay.
Post your sources when you cite stats, because they're almost always wrong. You undercut the percentage of gays in LA by 40% (1.6 percentage points, 5.6% vs. 4%), and there's definitely no basis to support LA as being the 'homo capital of the world' considering this list
Post your sources when you cite stats, because they're almost always wrong. You undercut the percentage of gays in LA by 40% (1.6 percentage points, 5.6% vs. 4%), and there's definitely no basis to support LA as being the 'homo capital of the world' considering this list
When I said LA was the homo capital of the world, I was not just referring about the total population. Most of the organizations, which cater to the homos are based in LA. But still, in percentage-wise, LA ranks among the top 10.
And regarding the homo population in LA, it seems that I was slightly under-estimating. It is 4.6%, instead of 4%.
June 06, 2015, 03:58:34 PM
i fucking <3 russia, need to make this russian girl i know from internet love me so i can marry and get citizenship there
I hope she doesnt ask you to send her money all the time. You know... its a very common scam.
Why on this earth he wants to go and settled down in Russia, Well who is that fu.... girl as he mentioned, I guess a normal girl never seek for any money to start a life there in her country except a decent job to run the life and small amount of money for paying rent for flats and other daily expenses. Every girl understand what is essential to run the decent and respectable life in this world.
June 06, 2015, 02:51:21 PM
I get your point. You are using made up numbers to support your bias.
The number of people that admit to being gay is closer to 10% and that's ignoring those who are closeted/bisexual.
The number of people that admit to being gay is closer to 10% and that's ignoring those who are closeted/bisexual.
As I had posted earlier, either give me the source / reference for your claims, or I am going to ignore them completely. Even in the Los Angeles, considered to be the homo capital of the world, gays consist only around 4% of the total population. And from where you got the 10% figure? Most of the studies and surveys put the figure at 1%.
Really? You're going with LA as the 'homo capital of the world?' There are waaaaay gayer cities, both in terms of number of gays and percentage of population that is gay.
Post your sources when you cite stats, because they're almost always wrong. You undercut the percentage of gays in LA by 40% (1.6 percentage points, 5.6% vs. 4%), and there's definitely no basis to support LA as being the 'homo capital of the world' considering this list:
June 04, 2015, 01:47:40 PM
So of course bryant.coleman results to childplay and foolish GIF's after being outed for using opinions instead of factual data and a huge lack of knowledge on the subject at hand. What more could I expect from a spamming sig count poster? DannyHamilton and others are right to block these types of guys.
June 04, 2015, 01:45:02 PM
^^^^
And now back to the topic. Why so much outcry about the treatment of gays in Russia? In Russia, the gays are allowed to do whatever they want, as long as they don't hurt anyone. But what about nations such as Qatar, Saudi Arabia.etc? The same people who criticize Russia on gay discrimination keep their silence, whenever anyone mentions the harassment faced by gays in Qatar or KSA. Why these double standards?
And now back to the topic. Why so much outcry about the treatment of gays in Russia? In Russia, the gays are allowed to do whatever they want, as long as they don't hurt anyone. But what about nations such as Qatar, Saudi Arabia.etc? The same people who criticize Russia on gay discrimination keep their silence, whenever anyone mentions the harassment faced by gays in Qatar or KSA. Why these double standards?
June 04, 2015, 01:36:15 PM
So far, every single study done on female sexuality shows that they're by default, bisexual.
Take your load of BS to somewhere else. It is useless to argue with you. As per you all the women are homo. Just argue that all the men are homo as well. 100% of the population is LGBT. Happy now?
According to a study from the National Bureau of Economic Research, about 20 percent of the population is attracted to their own gender. That’s nearly double the usual estimates of about 10 percent.
The most reliable study is the one which as conducted by the Williams Institute. According to it, 3.4% of the American adults are LGBT. Although I think that the figure are higher than expected, for now I'll accept them. 20% is way too high.
You're a complete idiot. You've only given me your faulty opinions and absolutely no factual data. Get lost, I'm done speaking with you, a waste of time.
Go study the actual subjects being discussed before commenting and looking like a fool.
June 04, 2015, 01:33:12 PM
So far, every single study done on female sexuality shows that they're by default, bisexual.
Take your load of BS to somewhere else. It is useless to argue with you. As per you all the women are homo. Just argue that all the men are homo as well. 100% of the population is LGBT. Happy now?
According to a study from the National Bureau of Economic Research, about 20 percent of the population is attracted to their own gender. That’s nearly double the usual estimates of about 10 percent.
The most reliable study is the one which as conducted by the Williams Institute. According to it, 3.4% of the American adults are LGBT. Although I think that the figure are higher than expected, for now I'll accept them. 20% is way too high.
You're a complete idiot. You've only given me your faulty opinions and absolutely no factual data. Get lost, I'm done speaking with you, a waste of time.
Go study the actual subjects being discussed before commenting and looking like a fool.
June 04, 2015, 01:32:35 PM
Im not so sure about the studies about bi woman. It might very well be that they got aroused, but i think its more because of empathy, than the thought of having sex with that woman. I tend to believe that woman mostly have more empathy and thats why they can feel with a female actor.
But its completely different than saying that woman would go having sex with another woman. Every straight man probably knows that woman are more than their feelings. They can say no if they have a partner they love or for other mental reasons. Though it might be an emotional reason too, not hurting the partner.
Anyway... the claim that 50% of all woman are bi is a step further as the study can show. In my opinion.
Saying that. Its completely nonsense to hate all those other sexualities. Biggest haters are those that fear being gay themselve.
But its completely different than saying that woman would go having sex with another woman. Every straight man probably knows that woman are more than their feelings. They can say no if they have a partner they love or for other mental reasons. Though it might be an emotional reason too, not hurting the partner.
Anyway... the claim that 50% of all woman are bi is a step further as the study can show. In my opinion.
Saying that. Its completely nonsense to hate all those other sexualities. Biggest haters are those that fear being gay themselve.
No, your statements aren't valid because if they were true, the same thing would have happened to straight men. It has nothing to do with empathy nor any environmental factors. It's all biological, because they were not sexually attracted to the male form(If empathy played a role like you suggested, then they would be sexually attracted to the male form, as per they are to the female form, but they're not).
Well, it's completely reasonable to make the assumption at this point, that all biological women are bisexual, given that every single study done on the subject points to that fact. Getting physically aroused doesn't mean you want to have sex with someone(Tons of other factors come into play), but it means you're sexually attracted to them.
The defining point of these studies show that they're not just bisexual, but not sexually attracted to the male form. So every straight male who is "homophobic" should think twice as women are not sexually attracted to our bodies.
At least it explains why there are hardly any women going to "male strip clubs", or fawning over guy's bodies as we do to women's bodies.
June 04, 2015, 01:32:19 PM
So far, every single study done on female sexuality shows that they're by default, bisexual.
Take your load of BS to somewhere else. It is useless to argue with you. As per you all the women are homo. Just argue that all the men are homo as well. 100% of the population is LGBT. Happy now?
According to a study from the National Bureau of Economic Research, about 20 percent of the population is attracted to their own gender. That’s nearly double the usual estimates of about 10 percent.
The most reliable study is the one which as conducted by the Williams Institute. According to it, 3.4% of the American adults are LGBT. Although I think that the figure are higher than expected, for now I'll accept them. 20% is way too high.
June 04, 2015, 01:26:56 PM
Im not so sure about the studies about bi woman. It might very well be that they got aroused, but i think its more because of empathy, than the thought of having sex with that woman. I tend to believe that woman mostly have more empathy and thats why they can feel with a female actor.
But its completely different than saying that woman would go having sex with another woman. Every straight man probably knows that woman are more than their feelings. They can say no if they have a partner they love or for other mental reasons. Though it might be an emotional reason too, not hurting the partner.
Anyway... the claim that 50% of all woman are bi is a step further as the study can show. In my opinion.
Saying that. Its completely nonsense to hate all those other sexualities. Biggest haters are those that fear being gay themselve.
But its completely different than saying that woman would go having sex with another woman. Every straight man probably knows that woman are more than their feelings. They can say no if they have a partner they love or for other mental reasons. Though it might be an emotional reason too, not hurting the partner.
Anyway... the claim that 50% of all woman are bi is a step further as the study can show. In my opinion.
Saying that. Its completely nonsense to hate all those other sexualities. Biggest haters are those that fear being gay themselve.
June 04, 2015, 01:18:04 PM
As I had posted earlier, either give me the source / reference for your claims, or I am going to ignore them completely. Even in the Los Angeles, considered to be the homo capital of the world, gays consist only around 4% of the total population. And from where you got the 10% figure? Most of the studies and surveys put the figure at 1%.
According to a study from the National Bureau of Economic Research, about 20 percent of the population is attracted to their own gender. That’s nearly double the usual estimates of about 10 percent. The authors explain that their methodology might have something to do with it:
Read more: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/what-percent-of-the-population-is-gay-more-than-you-think-5012467/#Ofcju2AOR0O8XMwH.99
http://www.nber.org/papers/w19508
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Measuring sexual orientation, behavior, and related opinions is difficult because responses are biased towards socially acceptable answers. We test whether measurements are biased even when responses are private and anonymous and use our results to identify sexuality-related norms and how they vary. We run an experiment on 2,516 U.S. participants. Participants were randomly assigned to either a "best practices method" that was computer-based and provides privacy and anonymity, or to a "veiled elicitation method" that further conceals individual responses. Answers in the veiled method preclude inference about any particular individual, but can be used to accurately estimate statistics about the population. Comparing the two methods shows sexuality-related questions receive biased responses even under current best practices, and, for many questions, the bias is substantial. The veiled method increased self-reports of non-heterosexual identity by 65% (p<0.05) and same-sex sexual experiences by 59% (p<0.01). The veiled method also increased the rates of anti-gay sentiment. Respondents were 67% more likely to express disapproval of an openly gay manager at work (p<0.01) and 71% more likely to say it is okay to discriminate against lesbian, gay, or bisexual individuals (p<0.01). The results show non-heterosexuality and anti-gay sentiment are substantially underestimated in existing surveys, and the privacy afforded by current best practices is not always sufficient to eliminate bias. Finally, our results identify two social norms: it is perceived as socially undesirable both to be open about being gay, and to be unaccepting of gay individuals.
June 04, 2015, 01:14:03 PM
Read the links that I included. 1 in 3 women are sexually assaulted and will be in the United States alone. I'm not sure if you're this stupid or just trying to troll.
Rapes occur much more frequently in the United States, when compared to the European nations. That said, males are raped more often than females in the United States (most of it is not reported, as they occur in places such as prisons). BTW... I was talking about child sexual assault in the first place. I was not talking about rape of adults.
Also, you should note that every single biological woman on this planet is bisexual, therefore 50% of all people on earth are not straight.
This is the most laughable argument I have ever read in Bitcointalk. Give me some source from any of the medical journals to support your claim. A few links from pro-LGBT groups doesn't count.
Those links and studies are from the top sexologists on biological women's sexuality. They are not from "LGBT pro groups". Go read them kiddo.
So far, every single study done on female sexuality shows that they're by default, bisexual.
Also, stop making bullshit up please. 1 in 6 males are sexually assaulted in the U.S, 1 in 3 females are. 2x as many females as males are assaulted. Your opinion on the matter is worthless, I don't care what you "think" the % are, I do not care for your opinions, stick to the objective facts.
Give me proof behind your statements or shut the fuck up. I'm not here to read people's opinions.
June 04, 2015, 01:11:21 PM
Read the links that I included. 1 in 3 women are sexually assaulted and will be in the United States alone. I'm not sure if you're this stupid or just trying to troll.
Rapes occur much more frequently in the United States, when compared to the European nations. That said, males are raped more often than females in the United States (most of it is not reported, as they occur in places such as prisons). BTW... I was talking about child sexual assault in the first place. I was not talking about rape of adults.
Also, you should note that every single biological woman on this planet is bisexual, therefore 50% of all people on earth are not straight.
This is the most laughable argument I have ever read in Bitcointalk. Give me some source from any of the medical journals to support your claim. A few links from pro-LGBT groups doesn't count.
June 04, 2015, 01:10:00 PM
Homos might be 3.4% of the population in the United States, but in other countries, that figure might be lower. This is because gays from all over the world (especially those from countries such as Iran and the former Soviet Union) have immigrated to the US, as homosexuality is widely accepted there. Therefore the percentage is higher in the US, and lower in most of the other nations.
I suppose that's possible, although it seems just as possible that, if some have moved to areas more tolerant, which is probable, that they'd end up in other areas aside from the US as well, such as european countries.
Things are really beginning to change on this in the US in any major way in the last few/10ish years.
all of that aside, without the data there's no data. I don't know that there is such a global statistic. I do know it's less than 10% and likely well north of 1.
to, me the exact percentage is irrelevant anyhow. YMMV.
June 04, 2015, 01:05:18 PM
You should really stop lying. Your pathetic attempts at twisting the facts to suit your flawed argument makes you look like a deranged child.
I asked you to give some proof to support your arguments. You have none, and that is why you have decided to divert the topic. If you want to continue the conversation, then come back with some proof. Until then, I am not going to respond to you.
The numbers are ~3.4% of the American population, according to the demographics. what it is in other countries I don't know, but I imagine it's relatively similar.
Homos might be 3.4% of the population in the United States, but in other countries, that figure might be lower. This is because gays from all over the world (especially those from countries such as Iran and the former Soviet Union) have immigrated to the US, as homosexuality is widely accepted there. Therefore the percentage is higher in the US, and lower in most of the other nations.
Read the links that I included. 1 in 3 women are sexually assaulted and will be in the United States alone. I'm not sure if you're this stupid or just trying to troll.
Also, you should note that every single biological woman on this planet is bisexual, therefore 50% of all people on earth are not straight. This includes your wife, mother, daughter, sister, friend, etc. The reason why they present themselves as "straight" is because of their romantic attractions. You see, sexuality is defined primarily one's sexual attractions, yet people all over confuse that with their romantic attractions to a individual or sex. What all these studies show, is that women are sexually attracted to other women's bodies(They're not at all to men's though), but they are romantically attracted to men and so that's why women may identify themselves as "straight". You should really study sexology, sexual abuse against women, and more before making up bullshit statistics.
1 in 3 women:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/20/health/global-violence-women/
http://www.woar.org/resources/sexual-assault-statistics.php
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/jun/20/one-in-three-women-suffers-violence
All women are bisexual according to every test done on biological female sexuality:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/12/fashion/12bisex.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/25/magazine/25desire-t.html?pagewanted=all
http://www.yourtango.com/2011104439/study-average-woman-bisexual
http://www.livescience.com/37834-women-sexuality-and-alloparenting.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2051284/More-half-women-bi-curious-attracted-women.html
June 04, 2015, 12:55:49 PM
You should really stop lying. Your pathetic attempts at twisting the facts to suit your flawed argument makes you look like a deranged child.
I asked you to give some proof to support your arguments. You have none, and that is why you have decided to divert the topic. If you want to continue the conversation, then come back with some proof. Until then, I am not going to respond to you.
The numbers are ~3.4% of the American population, according to the demographics. what it is in other countries I don't know, but I imagine it's relatively similar.
Homos might be 3.4% of the population in the United States, but in other countries, that figure might be lower. This is because gays from all over the world (especially those from countries such as Iran and the former Soviet Union) have immigrated to the US, as homosexuality is widely accepted there. Therefore the percentage is higher in the US, and lower in most of the other nations.
June 04, 2015, 12:41:53 PM
I get your point. You are using made up numbers to support your bias.
The number of people that admit to being gay is closer to 10% and that's ignoring those who are closeted/bisexual.
The number of people that admit to being gay is closer to 10% and that's ignoring those who are closeted/bisexual.
As I had posted earlier, either give me the source / reference for your claims, or I am going to ignore them completely. Even in the Los Angeles, considered to be the homo capital of the world, gays consist only around 4% of the total population. And from where you got the 10% figure? Most of the studies and surveys put the figure at 1%.
You should really stop lying. Your pathetic attempts at twisting the facts to suit your flawed argument makes you look like a deranged child.
1 in 3 women in America have and will be sexually assaulted by straight men, obliterating any false % you make up to incriminate same-sex relationships. In fact, the statistics show that same-sex relationships actually have far less violence than straight relationships, and I'm a straight man. Admit it and stop dancing around the issue kiddo.
That's over 20million women in America alone, don't get me started on countries like India where sexual abuse and rape is even more common.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/20/health/global-violence-women/
http://www.woar.org/resources/sexual-assault-statistics.php
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/jun/20/one-in-three-women-suffers-violence
EDIT: Oh yea, no wonder your posts are so stupid and filled with the logic of a 3 year old, you're just spamming posts for your signature count.
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