Topic: Russian Gas ban - A problem for Europe or suicide for Russia? - page 51. (Read 14504 times)

By your logic yes, but not by mine. My position has always been the same about all aggressors not just some of them.
Russia is occupying Ukraine and when Ukrainians aka "resistance" attacks Russian positions inside their own cities, that is called "defense" similarly when Palestine is occupied by Zionists and Palestinians aka "resistance" attack the Zionists positions in their own cities it is also called "defense".

You are either a hypocrite or you calling both Ukrainian and Palestinian resistance against foreign occupiers terrorists. You can't have double standards about the same exact act of resistance. It doesn't matter that Ukraine has been occupied for 8 years (since annexation of Crimea) and Palestine for 74 years.

I don't blame you though, since you have been brainwashed for years with a heavily censored media that has been feeding you nonsense that you eat up. But you should at least bother to check your own censored media.
During the 2021 11-day Gaza war for example the Zionist terrorist bombed 950 civilian buildings including 40 schools, 10 hospitals (4 run by Gaza ministry of health, 2 run by NGOs, 2 run by doctors without borders, 1 run by Red Cross), a refugee camp, 19 UN medical facilities, an 11 story building for international press that were covering their crimes, ... 8900 innocent Palestinians were wounded and about 300 of then died that included about 100 children.
Both Human Rights Watch and the International Court of Justice accused Israel of war crimes but they were never allowed to enter the occupied Palestine to investigate and the accusations were shut down by the terrorist regime.

It is not true. Even foreign military observers have been surprised since the beginning of the operation how carefully Russia treats civilian infrastructure in Ukraine. You yourself are a clear example of this - it seems you mentioned that you live in Kyiv, and at least you have electricity and the Internet, since you spend so much time on this forum. You could sit in the basement, without light and water, under constant bombardment, afraid to even stick your nose out. Think about it at your leisure.

I won't touch your morals, that's not my problem. But in terms of education - I'll help you.
Read carefully what terrorism is, and I’m not even taking the extended, international version, but exclusively Russian: “In Russian law, terrorism is defined as the ideology of violence and the practice of influencing public consciousness, decision-making by state authorities, local governments or international organizations associated with forceful influence, intimidation of the civilian population and/or other forms of unlawful acts of violence".

So - terrorists fighting against Israel - shelling residential areas, on foreign territory, commit terrorist attacks to intimidate. And Israel destroys them.

In Ukraine, Russian terrorists are destroying residential buildings with all available weapons, destroying civilians in a sadistic way, destroying infrastructure, seizing authorities, and intimidating the civilian population. And also not in their territory. Ukrainians committed terror on the territory of Russia? Killed civilian Russians? Captured cities and towns in Russia? Did you establish your power in the occupied regions? Did they plunder the houses of Russians? NO !
 
Therefore, both Palestinian and Russian terrorists are terrorists and must be destroyed. Now, if I were a citizen of Russia and yelled about the infringement of the rights of someone and that it was impossible to do so, they would have poked me in the face with facts - terror in Ichkeria, Georgia, Moldova, Ukraine, Syria ... So you don’t twist the essence and situation

It's interesting how the Ukraine war keeps coming up in all the double standard cases.
If you think what you just said is "truth" then by your own logic Ukrainians are living and working in Russia and use their territory and Russia is just destroying terrorists. By your logic it is not Russia's fault that that terrorists are attacking Russia from Ukraine's territory.
It doesn't feel good when the shoe is on the other foot, does it?

What hypocrisy?! I lived there long enough to objectively assess the rottenness of that regime, that way of life, that hopelessness in everything. Well, we must not forget - the USSR killed tens of millions of people with its ideology, both in its own country and abroad. The USSR, together with Nazi Germany, unleashed the most bloody war in modern times. This is quite enough to anathematize a state that has given the world nothing but pain, suffering and terror.

About the Palestinians - go to Israel and see how many Palestinians work in Israel? Israel destroys terrorists, and the fact that they are often in Palestine and use its territory for terrorist attacks is not Israel's fault. This is a very long war, it is always unattractive ...
Although to be honest, I don’t feel much sympathy for Israel, but the truth should not suffer from this.

By the way - do you know who sponsors and supports the Palestinian terrorists? Who considered the terrorist Yasser Arafat his friend? Who taught him terrorism? The same country that is now terrorizing the world with oil and gas is waging terrorist wars on foreign territories, including my country.

No one is saying that the EU countries will easily abandon Russian oil and gas. First of all, long-established logistics supply chains suffer. These are additional problems for both Russia and the European Union. However, Russia began this confrontation and open blackmail of Europe, and therefore Europe decided once and for all to get rid of such blackmail. In the first period, it will be more difficult for Europe, but subsequently Russia will suffer much more from the rupture of its oil and gas supplies to the EU countries. It was very convenient to make such deliveries through the oil and gas pipelines of Russia, to do it this way.
by ships and barges to the other side of the world, it is much more difficult and expensive. If Russia still finds a worthy replacement for consumers.

THere have been so much hypocrisy while blaming USSR - no one ever blamed America, Israel and India for doing so much killing in muslim countries.
The whole world is criticising Russia but no one ever spoke about Palestine = how brutally they have been treated by Israelis. No One raised a voice against them.

Please do not confuse a superpower with a terrorist country that was lucky enough to get nuclear weapons from the collapsed USSR (the same as sanctions from the United States and the Western world). With which the terrorist shakes the country like an old exhibitionist with saggy and useless external sexual characteristics, at every opportunity, with or without cause
The USSR could be attributed to the superpowers, while not forgetting that almost the entire industry was built by the West in the first third of the 20th century, which would later be called "Industrialization", and they would pass off as the achievements of the Soviet people ...

Quite a good Trump-loving statement. If Trump was the president, we all know how he approached Ukraine, we know how he attacked Ukraine, and we all know how he loved Putin, he was basically his puppet, so he would do exactly what Putin told him to do. So right now, instead of helping Ukraine, USA would have just let Russia do whatever they want and be silent, or even be in support of Russia.

Trump was a controlled puppet, whereas Biden is taking a challenge against one of the superpowers of the world, while not destroying the earth by doing polluting and climate change causing methods to just drop the prices. Sorry if being against a dictator and saving the world at the same time looked not good to you.

The Americans are making one stupid move after the other. Not contended with the rising prices as a result of sanctions on Russia, they have further exacerbated the situation by seizing the Iranian oil tanker. As a result the Brent crude had shot up to more than $120 per barrel from the level of $100-$110 we had earlier. My country imports more than 85% of the oil that is consumed, and this situation is quite alarming for us. And there are predictions that crude may go up to $150 per barrel, or even to $200 per barrel in the medium term.

All the countries have link with Russia. But US does not like that all.
The mistake USSR did long ago for Afghanistan - US did the same and did so much damage in the region. The oil prices have hiked so much that people are shouting in trouble.

It is surprising. Turkey has a direct link with Russia (Blue Stream) to import natural gas. But the economy is not doing good, and the national currency has been going down for quite some time. The exchange rate used to be 1 USD = 6 TRL in 2020. Now it is 1 USD = 16.33 TRL. Inflation has crossed the 30% level and due to the ongoing COVID pandemic the tourism industry still hasn't recovered. The power failure maybe a result of the inability from the Turkish state to pay for expensive energy imports. Natural gas is trading at more than $1,000 for thousand cubic meters.

Turkey that doesn't have much of power issues and now the country have begun to experience power failures often along with the hyperinflation. Mostly Western Europe is much dependent on Russia for its oil needs. Already several businesses have begun to run industries on generators. The export from Russia haven't got disturbed, because what has been exported to European nations were getting disturbed to other nations. This keeps the economy of Russia in a better position than what is being predicted.

I don't know about that, it is not easy to increase the shale oil production by enough to cover the shortage not to mention how hard it is to extract and refine that oil compared to Russian oil or most of the oil found in Middle East.

P.S. Always remember that Russia invaded Ukraine because of Trump. It was during his time that the illusion known as US military was shattered multiple times that gave both Russia and China the courage to think about invasion plans.

I am against Biden, but then I don't want to blame him for Afghanistan. The invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan was sanctioned by George W Bush, and these wars created an addition of around $5 trillion to the American federal debt. But still, I haven't seen any major reversal in Biden's policies. Like his predecessors, Biden also continue to spend trillions in tax money to invade third world nations. And till now he has spent more than $50 billion in Ukraine alone. Trump has quite rightly pointed out that Biden should take care of the baby formula shortage in the US before splurging tax money on other countries.

The need for oil will be there forever. This means even if European countries doesn't buy from Russia, there is possible chances of Russia selling the oil to other nations. Maybe there'll be stagnation, but this isn't going to be a big issue for Russia. This could lead the Russia oil depending countries to focus on infrastructure development for other forms of energy production.

I m not sure if Biden is a good president or not.
The exit of American forces from Afghanistan and the after effect on the region and than this Ukraine war and recently what is going on in Pakistan and Sri lanka. God have mercy on the world.

When you are a dictator type of person, then all the world will turn against you. The only weird part about it here is that Orban is doing it in a very European nation. Hungary is not like some faraway place to modern world, right next to Hungary there are nations that would impeach a president and the president will apologize and quit and retire, whereas Orban is there hoping that he would have enough power to kill his opponents, that happens in distant African nations with warlord leaders, not in Europe.

So, this is why Europe should do whatever in their power to get Hungary out of European help zone, that way they would have to accept that Orban is not good and maybe elect someone else, not sure if they could even do that.

New world order is emerging for sure, but we need to see whether they will overtake the old one. Combined economies of US-EU-Japan has been stagnant for quite some time now, and self-destructive embargoes and sanctions will harm them even further. If Trump was in power, then he would have taken steps to increase shale oil production within the United States and the increased supply of crude oil would have destroyed the Russian economy. Biden on the other hand has went the opposite direction, and as a result the Russians are earning 10x of what they were earning in 2021.

These aren't stupid policies, these are the only things that US can do out of desperation. We are talking about 70 year old plans falling apart one after another. And it didn't start by Russian invasion, it started years ago but you didn't notice because your censored media wasn't allowed to cover them.
The old hegemony is falling apart and a new world order is emerging. It's like giving birth, it is painful...