Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 147. (Read 77398 times)

I don’t understand why you continue to pedal this issue with the dam with persistence worthy of a better use, when Ukraine in a rather rude form refused to Turkey to conduct an independent investigation into this incident, and Zelensky admitted that he had no evidence of Russia’s involvement in this. As long as all available evidence indicates that this is the work of Ukraine, and there is nothing at all against Russia, except for empty allegations, do not forget about it.

Seriously?


Nor probably any book. Anyway, unless you clarify a little bit all that theory you got rumbling in you head, do not expect others to know. Converting to Judaism...interesting, and difficult.


Yep, dam blowing is not new, it is just something that is considered a war crime by the Geneva convention. But I guess that if you are ok doing it, it is ok for others to use it at their own convenience.

'That's about the size of it' so we say.  I've never read Koestler's book, or any other one related to this topic for that matter.  It is, to me, currently the strongest hypothesis after many years of observation and general Occam's razor type stuff.  Probably the strongest single observation that I've made is the intellectual Gestapo/Mafia tactics used against anyone who doesn't tow the 'kosher' line on the whole topic.

Koestler is widely recognized as a Jewish person who hoped in publishing his work that, to quote Wikipedia (which has been since it's early years Zionist occupied territory):

  "he was convinced that if he could prove that the bulk of Eastern European Jews (the ancestors of today's Ashkenazim) were
   descended from the Khazars, the racial basis for anti-Semitism would be removed and anti-Semitism itself could disappear"

For my part, I would hope for the same thing and believe it quite possible to at least a notable degree.  I would much rather focus on the particular actions of particular individual and groups than 'the Jews', but the intellectual cluster-fuck surrounding the whole topic make it, by careful design and dedicated effort, impossible to do.

Edit:  I might add that a fair number of people who I believe to be a fairly modest sized group of genuine 'white supremacists' and genuinely 'anti-semitic' are not fond at all of the 'Khazarian hypothesis' and stick strongly to the Zionist's notion that all those who 'call themselves Jews' are genetically associated with with the 'Holy lands' and decedents of Jacob and all that horse-shit.  Some of them probably do genuinely believe that as a consequence all 'Jews' should be rounded up and in some cases killed.  I consider this evidence that these radical creeps are are largely cultivated and led around by the nose by Zionists/Khazarian Mafia types as they are far more useful to the cause than genuinely threatening.  The best way to defeat an enemy is to lead it after all.


Don't forget also the actual deployment of non-lethal biological weapons at home and around the world in order to achieve political and economic goals.

He was probably referring to

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thirteenth_Tribe


Actually, there is country that blew many German dams during WW2, dropped 2 nukes on civilians, used chemical weapons (agent orange), depleted uranium, napalm and phosphor bombs on civilians etc

Complete destruction of the dam did not happen, there is a partial destruction of the upper level. I think you were too carried away by your forced forum vacation due to the termination of the Chipmixer signature campaign and lost your tone in tracking events. Try to catch up so that the dialogue with you becomes more interesting again.

I to have seen no conclusive evidence of actual offensive use of DU by NATO on (new-Russian) soil yet.  The Russians said that doing so would result in NATO regret, and they tend not to bluff about such things, so perhaps NATO will defer.  But I rather doubt it.

One of the logical counter-moves against the DU threat would be to re-locate the fighting to occur in the far West of Ukraine near Poland, and Russia has probably unfetterd access to attack all along the Belarusian border.  It introduces a much higher degree of risk for escalation, but the alternatives for the agricultural lands in Russian areas of Ukraine are grave enough to possibly warrant the risk.

As a side benefit, a 'fight-in-the-West' option opens up the potential to punch a hole (for pipelines and other commercial communications) through the Poland/Ukraine blockage and into Central Europe.  Such a feature will have huge value as China continues their belt-n-road initiative and the Collective West continues their absurd 'carbon hunger strike' on the basis of the 'man-made global climate change' scam.

That's not "direct evidence". It's circumstantial at best, not really about this kind of event - the article you quoted was about raising the water level (basically opening the gates while not having access to them) without flooding villages, not blowing up the dam completely.


Russians controlling the dam and the impossibility to cause this kind of damage remotely and unnoticed is quite damning albeit also circumstantial evidence. But you wouldn't believe "Western media" even if they had a high resolution photo of drunk Ivan unloading a truckload of TNT at the dam so let's not pretend that you are looking for evidence here.

Funny how Russian satellite surveillance has nothing to say about this, almost as if Russia doesn't have anything up there.

This is direct evidence against Ukraine. Maybe you, in contrast, have direct evidence against Russia, in addition to unfounded accusations? No, you don't have them, and no one has them, otherwise they would have been circulated by all Western media. There is no evidence that Russia did it and there is no motive for Russia to do it. The best argument against Russia is that if there had been no invasion at all, then the dam would have been intact. This is a ridiculous argument.

I also think that the destruction of the dam was artificially provoked as part of a secret operation of Russian intelligence in order to prevent the Ukrainian secret operation to seize the Zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant by underwater swimmers and attack Energodar on boats through the Kakhovka reservoir. But it worked quite cleanly and we most likely will never know the truth.

There is no advantage for Russia in this position where Ukraine is getting modern NATO weapons and Putin's best tank is a "modernized" T72 and his fake hypersonic wunderwaffe provides target practice for Patriots. Obviously if he could have hit Ukraine with Armatas and SU-57s last summer he'd have his victory parade in Lviv by now, right?

But Russia's tzars always leaned heavily on meat grinder "strategy" rather than technology and Putin has convinced his fascist fanbase that he's a strategic genius so they'll forgive everything.


You're coping really well, keep it up. Remember the rule of two walls when your city starts getting liberated.

The RF army do have DU munitions, but you are taking this argument to silly levels. The fact is that what I have seem being fielded from the RF army does not require anything special to destroy it, just a AP round or, for some tanks seen there, an RPG to be honest. For now, I have seen no proof of DU in Ukraine so my guess is that it is unlike that is being really used for anything at this point.


I think that the RF blew the dam, but I see that Ukraine may benefit from it in military terms at least in the short term. If you are defending, the river is an asset, the wider and deeper the better. When you are attacking, it is an obstacle. My guess is that once the main flood starts withdrawing, you will get a narrower river, easier to cross. Since Ukraine is in the offensive... that sound like advantageous.

I'd expect something better than an article from 2022.
I guess they're now equipping himars launchers with delayed fuse that explodes 6 months later. This reads like a story straight from kp.ru


It must be going well for the Ukrainians if Russians are blowing up dams and drowning their own soldiers in the process, trying to stop it.

As for depleted uranium, look at Chernobyl. This danger is being produced in a different way in the bio-labs in Ukraine. It's killing off natural soil microbes, etc.

Plus, the great battle. The bottom article, below.


Forests Around Chernobyl Aren't Decaying Properly

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https://globalwarming-arclein.blogspot.com/2023/06/forests-around-chernobyl-arent-decaying.html
However, there are even more fundamental issues going on in the environment. According to a new study published in Oecologia, decomposers - organisms such as microbes, fungi and some types of insects that drive the process of decay - have also suffered from the contamination. These creatures are responsible for an essential component of any ecosystem: recycling organic matter back into the soil. Issues with such a basic-level process, the authors of the study think, could have compounding effects for the entire ecosystem. The team decided to investigate this question in part because of a peculiar field observation. "We have conducted research in Chernobyl since 1991 and have noticed a significant accumulation of litter over time," the write. Moreover, trees in the infamous Red Forest - "an area where all of the pine trees turned a reddish color and then died shortly after the accident - "did not seem to be decaying, even 15 to 20 years after the meltdown.
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The Biggest War Battle on European Soil Since WW2 is HAPPENING right now - almost not a peep from the Main-Stream Media!

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https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/the-biggest-war-battle-on-european-soil-since-ww2-is-happening-right-now-almost-not-a-peep-from-the-main-stream-media
The largest war-fighting battle on European soil since WW2 is RAGING right now - today, June 8, 2023 - and not even a peep from the West's  so-called "main stream media!"

According to battlefield sources, Ukraine's first attack on Zaporozhye is almost repulsed.

A lot of Ukrainian soldiers are laying down DEAD in the minefields. They were simply driven forward by their commanders without properly preparing the passages. They say the picture is terrible, the enemy has a lot of DEAD or seriously wounded just lying on the battlefield.

It is likely Ukraine will regroup and drive a few more waves to the slaughter.

The Russians say "Our boys are ready and charged."

One Russian source said, "we are not sleeping, we are waiting!"

SO FAR . . .

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The battles are raging.  Hundreds are dying.   But since the mass-media is simply not reporting what's taking place, people of the West have no idea at all how bad things are, or that the US and NATO will likely find out they have LOST . . . this week.   Unless, of course, they create a false flag designed to get directly involved in the war, and bring on World War 3.
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I sort of wondered if the Ukrainians might even be stopped before materially breaching the current fighting lines.  So far it seems that that is happening.

Looks from some of the wreckage of some of the Leopard tanks that even in the German NATO gear is using DU.  This is unfortunate since it will damage the productivity of the fighting areas for multiple generations.  I would expect that the Russian strategy will be even more to not allow a broad area fighting grounds but try to get it done in one area.

The Russians claim to have ceased use of DU weapons 20 years ago in spite of their effectiveness due to humanitarian concerns.  True or not, I don't know, but if they maintained a stockpile, now would be the time to use them since NATO has chosen to destroy some of the most productive farm-land on the planet and there isn't much the Russians can do about it except to try to get it happening in as small an area as possible.  Thank God they have air superiority.  If it were me, I'd be loading up all the close air support aircraft with as much DU as they can carry and really putting the hammer down.  Especially on the NATO gear which is know to utilize these munitions.

On the other hand, it would be good to save a fair bit of DU for use in areas of little long-term interest (the Western Ukroid Nazi-lands, Poland, etc) and maybe to hand out to others who might someday get into it with the 'unfriendly' countries.  Would be a real shame of Moldova had to market uranium-flavored sparkling grape drink instead of wine as a for-instance.  I highly doubt that such a product would compete well on the global markets against those countries who were a little more careful about which satanic fucks to get in bed with.  Everyone knows who made the decision to use DU in the first place.  What goes around comes around so they say.  Not always, but often enough.

Emm... HIMARS are not for volley fire. They can fire in volley, but that is not their best use and is not for mass shelling, it is for precision targeting.

Why one small column was seen moving in the day without precautions? I cannot answer that, but probably due to some stupid officer.

Yes, in a wart of attrition the economy wins. Ask Japan.

NATO is helping Ukraine massively and they do have relatively recent experience in massive military operations (Afghanistan, Irak, Kuwait,...)  Intelligence, strategy, everything... The US is always fighting one war or another and they have many salaries to justify - they do have seasoned high rankings and very good strategists. It is  foolish to think that they learnt about war "in books" - that would be a grave mistake. Look, even if only 10% of the guys in the US army know what they are doing, that is already a lot knowledge and talent being used.

The fact is that Ukraine is under the "shhh" policy, so all you are getting is the RF version. Do no make the mistake to think that you have real information and try to draw any conclusion from it.

You are clearly unfair to Putin's strategic genius. There are numerous problems in implementing a special military operation in Ukraine, but the initial flexibility of this excellent strategy forgives them all! The current position of Russia looks extremely advantageous, although of course it could be much better. You can always do something better in an imperfect real world.

In terms of GDP percentage, NATO has a significant advantage over Russia, but fortunately this is not a competition in terms of the percentage of GDP. Himars are beautiful, I think this is a very good volley fire system, one of the best in the world, maybe the best. And what are these Himars doing now, why, for example, are they not massively shelling Russian positions in the Orekhovo or Lobkovo region, taking advantage of the firing range? Where are the systems for remote demining, why do armored columns of Ukraine move along the roads during the day, where they can be easily detected and covered with artillery or shot with ATGMs from front-line aviation? Why are there no anti-mine trawls on Leopards? The Armed Forces of Ukraine disappoint me with the mediocrity of their counteroffensive, falling into a mediocre frontal onslaught. Perhaps Zaluzhny was really seriously shell-shocked in May and he was removed from control, but I don’t see the handwriting of a talented general in the actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And NATO is not in a position to help Ukraine here, because NATO generals themselves do not have experience in conducting large-scale military operations, they studied from textbooks for local anti-terrorist operations. NATO instructors at European training grounds can prepare another million Ukrainians for the Offensive Guards Two (if they find so many willing ones) and they will all be defeated. And all the Leopards and Bradleys will also burn in the endless steppes of Ukraine. But let's see how events develop, I think Ukraine has now activated about a third of its strategic offensive reserve, a critical situation will arise when less than half of the reserves remain. If Ukraine does not break through the front line within a week, the situation may unfold for it in the most unfavorable dramatic way. It seems Zelensky is already very nervous.

The time for Putin to show his "strike potential" was before Ukraine got Leopards and Patriots and Himarses and all that other stuff. And he failed miserably. Best he can hope for now is some sort of stalemate but having only ~10% worth of NATO GDP he will eventually lose even if he somehow manages to ramp up production of 1970s soviet military equipment.

Washington Post ok?

Glad you're having fun. If Russia is fighting so badly, where is Ukraine's successful counteroffensive?

Shelling with what? Confirmed by what sources? Russian?
AFAIK there are even reports from seismic watchers in Norway that there was an explosion at the dam, not shelling. US satellites confirmed the information with infrared sensors that detected a single explosion.
Also, according to reports from Ukraine the dam was rigged with explosives some time ago, long before the counteroffensive. This is consistent with the way Russians operate. They did the same in Zaporizhzhia power plant and almost blew it up when one of their mines exploded unintentionally near one of the buildings.

It's actually funny when you think of how Russians are bad at warfare. Digging trenches in irradiated soil of the Red Forest is probably their best achievement to date, but there were others.

One Russian soldier has reportedly been killed and another left injured after they were tricked into running into a house containing their own army's landmines by a Ukrainian prank call
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/russian-soldiers-blown-up-mine-27872198

According to some reports, a landing craft of the Black Sea Fleet D-106 is reported to have exploded when it hit one of the Russian navy’s own mines near Mariupol, the southern Ukrainian port city that Russia’s troops destroyed and now occupy.
https://defence-blog.com/russian-landing-craft-sinks-after-hitting-sea-mine/

In a video posted on Prigozhin’s social media channels, Lt Col Roman Venevitin, the commander of Russia’s 72nd Brigade, tells an interrogator that, while drunk, he had ordered his troops to fire on a Wagner convoy.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/05/wagner-group-release-video-of-captured-russian-commander

These days, in online discussions, the actual live humans are few...

You are not interesting to me as an interlocutor, because you have nothing in your head except propaganda shit, slogans and chants. You do not even experience cognitive dissonance, accusing Russia in one paragraph of blowing up the dam at the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station and at the same time arguing that this is unprofitable for Russia. Everything is fine in your schizophrenia, except for repeated statements by Ukraine at the end of last year about the intention to blow up this dam, which were confirmed by the action in the form of shelling. Lol.