Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 232. (Read 73687 times)

I do kind of wonder how fast Wagner, or any other PMC really, could ramp up (and maintain something close to their 'normal' effectiveness.)  I've heard that they get some of their personnel from prison, but I have to believe that the pool of suitable candidates from that demographic would be exhausted pretty quickly.

Another random thing I never got around to mentioning is that a few weeks or a month ago or something, the CEO of Wagner is said to have been nearly killed in an attack that is said to have been the work of the British SAF.  The interesting thing about this is that I doubt that very many of the Wagner people are very nice and forgiving, and that would certainly include the CEO.  Wagner is, as best I can tell, a private for-profit business entity.  It would be quite believable that misfortune which befell Great Brittan, or more generally the interests of the crown, in the form of an attack it could be simply revenge on the part of a privateer and had nothing to do with the Kremlin proper.

Germany committed €3,1B the 3rd after US and UK and you want to kick it out of NATO Ever heard the saying, don’t bite the hand that feeds you, and careful what you wish for? I can't think of a worse outcome for EU and UA if Germany decides to leave NATO this winter, it would probably be Putin's wet dream too.


Ohh naïve child, I take it you don't really follow world geopolitics much, or studied world history? I really don't have the courage to burst your bubble, but trust me you're just setting yourself up to be disappointed.


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/07/world/europe/macron-nato-brain-death.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/03/trump-says-macrons-comments-on-nato-were-very-disrespectful.html

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-says-america-is-going-to-hell-alludes-to-2024-run-for-presidency-at-pa-rally/ar-AA11r7nZ

How much do you think EU is watching US's midterm elections that'll happen in November? And what happens if/when? Biden's party (democrats) loose the congress to republicans (Trump's party) as projected?

https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/exclusive-eu-us-step-up-russian-aluminium-nickel-imports-since-ukraine-war-2022-09-06/



Edit: From my own curiosity
https://special-ops.org/wagner-group-notorious-private-military-company/

At average of $2k/month for 6months that's $12k per contractor. So just that money from EU and US $1,98B, would get Wagner 165.000 contractors for 6months.

I'm just saying that the Russians (and their allies from the post 2014 civil war) have set themselves up pretty nicely.  I think that  this guy is dead-on in that this is a logistics war now for a while.  Time is even more on the side of the Russians now.

Part of the reason for Ukrainian logistics problems is that every Ukroid who touches the material steals and sells a bunch of it.  It's just their nature I guess.  Lots of it gets sold to the Russians or their allies in fact.  A long cold winter will change the desire to sell Western 'aid' into a necessity.

I predicted that Ziocon hopes for bleeding the Russians in a new Vietnam were likely to fail because Putin is to smart to get roped into such a thing.  That's why I was predicting from the get-go that the territorial gains would be mild, and there was probably not even much of a desire for most of the parts of former Ukraine.  They'd park mostly in places where the locals want them around.  I made these predictions while professionals like Ritter were seemingly quite convinced that Russia would sweep most of the country in short order.

I predict that after the winter with the 'liberated' people kicking back and enjoying cars, heat, food, etc while those under international NaZiocon control freeze and starve, there will be even more inclination for the local populations to align with the East.  Might spread like a cancer and add even more misery to the list of Ukroid woes.  We'll see.

Your concern-trolling about people using rubles and about children is an example of such strawmanning (no one suggested killing children or people using rubles) and I did mention that in my post... perhaps try some reading before going all blue.

You really need to either man up and show exactly which argument in my replies to af_newbie comment about physically eliminating collaborators is a "straw man" argument, or just quietly stop using long words you don't know the meaning of.

Well, tvbcof is a brainwashed Kremlin troll so we can't expect anything reasonable from him except hot air. Unfortunately, we can't even use such hot air for heating.  

For people like tvbcof, a Russian retreat is a Russian victory because [insert whatever stupid reason here].
Similar how Russia's war against Ukraine is failing, so are the Russian propagandists and trolls.  
We can watch them collide with reality in real time.  

Once Kherson falls, they will strategically withdraw to Crimea and Kuban.

They will claim that the original plan was to protect Russia from Ukrainian Nazis.

All Russian citizens who are in Ukraine will be eliminated, jailed or deported.

Well, they started by gloriously running eastward, so if the whole fight is like that from now on - that's great for everyone involved.

Like any leader in history, he is only as good as the loyalty that inspires. In his case, said loyalty is based on fear and on corruption and mafia. If the psychos that support Adolf Putin no longer get what they want ...

Anyway, our friend be.open has now the occasion to learn what is actually a full collapse of a front. See, what happened in Popasna is not, what is happening in Kharkiv Oblast is. Do you notice the difference in speed and results? Throw a missile to that.

Meanwhile Azerbaijan attacked Armenia after provocations from Armenian side. At least, this is what Azerbaijan side report. According CSTO (Collective Security Treaty Organization) attack against Armenia means attack all alliance countries (Russia, Belarus, Kazkahstan, Kyrgyztan and Tajikistan) Does it means that Russia will get involved there too? After such successful ''special operation'' open another front? Interesting...
https://www.intellinews.com/major-clashes-break-out-on-azerbaijani-armenian-border-256282/?source=armenia
https://ru.euronews.com/2022/09/12/armenia-azerbaijan-artillery

Nope, it's desperate actions of Russia to hit critical infrastructure after they lost several important cities and thousands of km2 that they were fighting for for several months.
BTW, on Sunday it was planned to held concert of Oleg Gazmanov in Izum:
https://culturemeter.od.ua/gazmanov-peredumal-vystupat-v-izjume-s-koncertom-rossija-zdes-navsegda-172199/
Interesting, why it didn't happened...

Are you in Europe? It was fun knowing you a little. And maybe a little longer if you are in the States.

Remember when the Russians dug holes in the ground to sleep in at Chernobyl until the Battle of Kiev was lost and they had to retreat?

Similar situation here.

Tы-тo кyдa лeзeшь, пcинa eбaнaя?

Ordinary symmetrical measures.

Ukraine for Russia is like a capricious infantile spoiled child. To whom everything was allowed for too long, and in 31 years he grew into a moral freak, who believes that everyone around him owes something simply because. Take a look - it's quite typical.
Now it's time to give the little asshole a good belt on his ass. For his own good, purely for educational purposes. If you have to bomb with FAB-500 high-explosive bombs for this, as in Azovstal or near Kherson - well. It looks like the case is too neglected and the little asshole does not understand other methods.

Yes, of course. There is such a thing as  'pay them back'. But this is the beginnings of the real war.

Russia considers Ukraine to be part of their friendly group. The little 'military playing' that they have done with the Ukraine so far, hasn't been about destruction of Ukraine. It has been about requesting Ukraine to stop their fighting and be family. It has also been about giving the Ukrainian people time to get out, or to decide to stay no matter what.

As Zelensky decides to continue the fight beyond what Russia is willing to put up with, it's now the start time where Russia starts to fight. AND... the fight isn't really against Zelensky/Ukraine. Rather, it is a war against the US's more or less silent usurping of the whole Ukraine government. The Ukrainian people are simply in the way.

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Article/332003-2022-09-12-a-developing-story-monday-update.htm

https://www.brighteon.com/9d2517c9-d88c-4df7-94cc-76e9712af121

I see that you are not indifferent to me and I even inspire you to create art that corresponds to the level of your mental development. I have to disappoint you, I'm straight.

Do you recognize yourself?

45,000 tons of ammunition that's a pretty solid amount. I think if such a depot really exploded, the blast wave would reach Australia

There is no such thing as standards for a country to join NATO. Ive been to Albania and Macedonia many times, these are great countries, but if we consider the reasons for accepting them into NATO, it has nothing to do with thefact that they suddenly began to meet some standards. This is a purely political decision. If there is a decision your accepted, no decision your not. If such a decision is made, Angola will be in NATO within a month.
When the war ends, Ukraine should offer NATO to join Ukraine. Insisting on some reforms within NATO, for example, throwing the fuck out Hungary would be definitely one of them. Germany doesn't have shit so need to get rid of it too.

>does Ukraine support Europe that much
You don't understand the major point. In fact, Europe owes Ukrainians all the things and without any conditions. Because democratic societies, unlike authoritarian ones, depend on their own rhetoric. If they said "Never again", they should prove it. If they said that democracy and values are important, they should prove it. Otherwise, the line between Putin's rubbish and the proud statements of the West is blurred.

Nope, this is a punishment for Ukraine's incessant shelling of the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant, as a result of which the last reactor was shut down today. Russia was unable to protect the operation of the nuclear power plant and the visit of the IAEA mission did not help either. Now Ukrainians should stock up on patience and gasoline generators, rocket attacks on Ukrainian thermal power plants will be regular.