Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 345. (Read 73521 times)

Thanks for the track covering advice, I still rather have a reliable written source. No, Google will not track any of my activity unless I want to, thank again.

You say you do not make conspiracy theories, but you did make the statement


So my question remains. Does that mean that you think he wanted Putin to attack or you think he did not want him to attack?

Also, why should Ukraine have Putin deciding what they can or cannot do? Are we in the middle ages?

Use TOR browser, so then only CIA and NSA will track you, and not Google

Its not a problem to give you text source, although its always better to actually hear it first hand,
instead reading someones opinion about what someone said, but here you go:

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/3/25/lets-remember-madeleine-albright-as-who-she-really-was

Google will track that too, mind you, but oh well.

Regarding what Zelensky wanted or did not want, I'm not mind reader, so I won't make any conspiracy theories
about that...I wish he accepted https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_agreements and gave up NATO membership, then
we would have much more clear situation, and Putin would have much harder job of convincing anyone, including
Russians, that he had to attack Ukraine

Sorry I do not watch youtube videos for information, I would rather not have google knowing what I am interested in nor use - in general - an algorithm that systematically promotes click-baits. Do you have a written, credible source?

Do you think that the war in Irak justifies the war in Ukraine or makes it good?

Also, I think that the questions on the IQ are biased. Most people around the world do not read about state laws in the US.

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Let's get this clear then : Do you think they wanted him to attack or do you think they didn't?

Sorry, I thought its common knowledge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM0uvgHKZe8

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About your (false) "Ukraine wanted to be invaded" translation of my "Ukraine knew its actions will lead to war" words, maybe
look at this interview with Ukrainian presidential adviser:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwcwGSFPqIo

Apart from trying to justify the war on the ground of "Ukraine wanted to be invaded", "the amount of children dead is not as much as in other wars" and "the US is worse, so this is OK", may I know where you get your figures, particularly the 500k children dead in Irak?

They probably expect same respect as recently deceased USA politician who said that death of 500 000 Iraq children
was worth price to be sure that Saddam doesn't have WMDs.

let numbers sink to you for a while:

150 dead children in Ukraine, unprecedented sanctions
500 000 dead children in Iraq, nothing happens

Before you accuse me of Russophilia: yes, I think all wars are disaster, and I think Russia are in Ukraine
not only for geostrategic, but also economic reasons. But Ukrainian leadership played right into Putin
narrative, as if they wanted him to attack

Also, amount of American hypocrisy is staggering

You are 100% responsible for the war crimes Russians committed in Ukraine.

Your nation will be paying for decades for the destruction and the damage they have caused.

Your countrymen showed no humanity, they killed, robbed, and raped en masse.

As they left the Kyiv area, they stole civilian cars, minivans, all loaded with the loot they managed to carry.

In the temporarily occupied territories, they are terrorizing the civilian population and killing anyone who resists.

Russians are animals. No question about it. Nobody will want to have anything to do with you, once the UN investigation is complete and
the world actually learns what you guys did Ukraine.

I appreciate your list. Nancy Pelosi's poem, profoundly artistic and captivating in nature, still captures the West's stance on Ukraine which is stand by and watch. Five helicopters might not be much against 100k-200k Russian troops and their thousands of aircrafts and tens of thousands of armored vehicles.


Biden is correct, just as most of Europe are. They do not want to get involved. The red line NATO has set up is the usage of chemical weapons and/or tactical nukes, it would appear. The current involvement and aid the West has isn't enough for Ukraine to "win" the war IMO.


Biden is not in control and too far gone to make any of his own decisions. And that's giving him credit because his responsibility for these matters are partially forfeited. I suppose you think it is coincidental that Putin invades after a botched Afghanistan withdrawal in which Joe Biden coerced the Afghanistan President to lie about the Taliban's standing in the country, which was followed by an immediate take over resulting in the death of 13 U.S. service members. And how can we forget the botched counter-attack, which the WH initially lied and covered up until reporting by the NYT uncovered 10 innocent civilians were killed - all because Biden wanted a "tough guy" appearance in response to terrorism. Putin was watching. So was China.

Did you know so far, just from the US Ukraine has received:

Five Mi-17 helicopters;
1,400 Stinger anti-aircraft systems;
4,600 Javelin, 1,000 light anti-armor weapons, and 6,000 AT-4 anti-armor systems;
100 Tactical Unmanned Aerial Systems;
300 grenade launchers, 5,000 rifles, 1,000 pistols, 600 machine guns, and 600 shotguns;
Over 60 million rounds of small arms ammunition and grenade launcher and mortar rounds;
25,000 sets of body armor;
Four counter-artillery and counter-unmanned aerial system tracking radars;

And that list is 2 weeks out of date.  They've sent lots more since.  In total over $2 billion.

But Pelosi read a poem, and Biden said no to the fighter jets (and provided a rational explanation why).  So you're take away is "Biden won't send anything but pocket change and Pelosi read a poem instead".

You've got Biden Derangement Syndrome.

Not everywhere and not all Russians, but there are prerequisites for this. Perhaps, if you check the materials below, you will understand where did the rumors about Nazism come from.
Congress bans arms to Ukraine militia linked to neo-Nazis
'These are actual Nazis that aren't neo in any sense'
Torchlight parade in Kyiv honors Nazi-linked nationalist
Ukrainian TV host calls for 'Extermination of Russian Children'

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The fact is that Russophobia has affected even those citizens who left Russia long ago and do not participate in the presidential elections. In addition, social networks and politicians are whipping up hysteria.

I am based on data from the Russian Ministry of Defense. There are a lot of fakes on the Ukrainian side (including about 100 captured tanks), Russian data looks reliable. Putin has declared the west to be the "Empire of Lies", so Russians have to tell the truth in order to look like a knight in shining armor.

Yes, this is discrimination based on nationality, a manifestation of Nazism. What collective responsibility are you talking about? I did not vote for Putin in the elections and I am not responsible for his decisions and actions. I am responsible for my decisions and actions, but I have no responsibility simply because I am Russian. I am human and you can treat me without national or racial prejudice.

I don't think this is true at all. The virtue signaling from the US and Europe can only go so far.

The West's response can be perfectly encapsulated here. Ukraine needs jets, and Poland was ready to send them if the U.S. was ready to provide military equipment to Poland in return; they chose not to. They instead got a kind poem from Nancy Pelosi, with solidarity of course. I'm sure Putin is trembling in fear.

If the West cared about Ukraine, they would not wait for innocent civilians to perish, with dead bodies laying amongst the rubble of imploded buildings. What ever spare change the U.S. and Europe can put together isn't anything meaningful. Ukraine needs military equipment. They've been provided minimal amounts from some European countries and it isn't enough.

I'm curious what data for death toll you are using? If you are using stats given by Russian propaganda, then nothing surprising that you're saying that losses of Ukrainian army exceeds victims of Russian army. According to Russia, they have lost 1351 troops in this war what is nothing more than cynical lie. Ok, let's say that numbers given by Ukraine is not correct, but still, USA report about over 10 000 deaths and numbers given by NATO is very estimate, from 7000 to 15 000. Russia claiming that they have killed 14 000 Ukrainians, but nobody eles don't report about such big numbers.
And what you will tell about report which says that Ukraine now have more tanks than they had before war, after they have captured over 100 tanks from Russia?

Why do Russians see Nazis everywhere? Before going to sleep maybe you're checking under your bed to be sure that nazi isn't hiding? Not allowing athletes to participate just because that they're Russian isn't discrimination. It's collective reposnisbility. They're not directly responsible for war in Ukraine, but Russian citizens should respond for actions of their elected president, which was elected by majority of votes.
Maybe these things in Europe can be called Russophobia, but what else do you expect? That Russians will be liked and welocomed with a joy?

@be.open, seems like you "brotherhood" idea is not clearly understood by your Ukrainian brother here. You need to explain him that he must forget the fact that Putin has shelled their cities, killed children is still starving people in Mariupol and consider that as "simply ideological differences" and become one nation under Tzar Putin.

hint: It may take a while convincing them, be ready for some resistance.

Asking Mariupol Residents About Russian Attacks On Civilian areas
https://youtu.be/rLZ2ZzoD-W0

I am still amazed at the inhumanity of the scum that fuels the fire in this thread. Despite this, I want to note that this video perfectly demonstrates how the "Russian liberators" deal with the Kherson protesters, footage that should sober up any sane person, (be sure to turn on the sound).

• https://imgur.com/XWoSGHi

In addition, my cousine has 9 children in the family (the one who currently emigrated to Poland with a small child), and she is the eldest daughter. Three of her sisters are now in Kyiv and three more live in Mariupol. So I don’t need to tell about good intentions after one of my sister’s sisters with her children sat in the basement for a week and gave the children water from a puddle. I can’t believe that I am writing this, as it would seem that now is the 21st century ... but I still get goosebumps when you realize that at such moments, neither a good car, nor having an apartment or money plays any role. Now that humanitarian corridors have been launched, the situation is still difficult, since this girl and her two young children were forcibly taken to Russia, and I understand why she agreed. Since there is nothing even to discuss when there is a choice between the life of children and their own freedom.

More from the liberators. They got drunk, took a woman's car keys and crashed the car right outside her house, shot her dog, then they shot her husband, raped her, went to get drunk, came back, raped her again, went to get drunk again, came back, raped her again and fell asleep. Such liberation, so much nazis, wow!
Makes me wonder why she did not slit throats of those two liberators. I guess she's not much of a nazi after all. Even seeing her husband murdered in front of her couldn't make her do anything violent.

https://inews.co.uk/news/ukrainian-woman-says-russian-troops-raped-her-1544863

Mariupol  liberated from the Azov Nazis.
https://youtu.be/C-irWniGBEU

We are just starting to learn more about the atrocities that the Russian invaders committed on the occupied territories as the Ukrainian army is liberating them.

They leveled the villages and towns, looked for and killed the remaining residents, robbed what they could, and moved on.

Few people hid in cellars and stayed there for weeks, and survived.

This is Russian 'military' for you. They are good at shooting at targets that don't shoot back.

Pinpoint precision my ass. They are a horde of Mongols. I hope Ukrainians will find and kill every single Russian soldier, and pro-Russian gang member they can find on the territory of Ukraine.

Make them pay.

I love Tchaikovsky, Dostoyevski and Chinghiz Aitmatov (not Russian, but writes in Russian) and many other manifestations of the Russian culture, and I am against prohibiting any non-violent and non-politically loaded cultural manifestation (ballet qualifies, for avoidance of doubt). I just see that Putin is unfit to rule and is damaging Russia's people and interests.

Now that I am thinking... Do not "Crime and Punishment" by  Dostoyevski speak of crime and punishment? Do you think Putin read it?

On the fake "support", do you think these 13.6 Billion USD are just to buy bandages and helmets?
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/11/us-congress-gives-final-approval-to-13-6b-ukraine-aid-budget

Just to put it into perspective, the best-class tanks cost around 4 million. This helps equates to 3400 state-of-the-art tanks. You can pretend a fist is fake, until it hits you in the nose.

You see, Putin has now pushed Ukraine into accepting US aid. I cannot see the "master strategy" on this.