Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 341. (Read 73526 times)

Russian soldiers attacking Ukrainian soil is generally unacceptable. The attack was not a good one, and I don't know the reason why they decided to attack their own neighboring country. The worse part is the attack on civilians which is against the rules of war. Attacking residents and innocent people is not a good way of fighting war. The Russian soldiers need to stop that act that is capable of bringing more heavy sanctions on them.

https://observers.france24.com/en/europe/20220301-video-debunked-russian-tank-crush-civilian-car-kyiv

Yes. While according to this document Ukrainian people "can't be reeducated". What in turn means...
Go figure. After all these confessions after 1945 that "something like this must never happen again" (similar to post-WW1 confessions of various great nations).

Not sure if you're referring to this: https://ria.ru/20220403/ukraina-1781469605.html (Russian) but definitely worth a read in any case.

While technically not an "official" government position - it describes what's going on in Bucha and other occupied areas. And the killings are just the beginning. Mass repressions, "reeducation", etc would follow.

Let's not forget the tank shooting at a car steered by an elder couple, for no reason. In the very first days of the war.

News for Russia trolls: Mid March dated highres satellite pics showing the same bodies in the same locations from the "staged video" of kiev suburbs like in the recent videos. Almost all "lies" complained to by Russia are now debunked. This is genocide, RIA doesn't even try to hide this fact any more.

Europe: Fasten your seat belts.

Russia: If you want to kill Nazis, go storm the Kremlin, or be the #1 scum nation of the globe. You choose.

I am absolutely sure that Ukraine is doing propaganda from their side at full speed. However, even in the fog of war, you do have certain sources and facts that have a reasonable degree of credibility. It is clear that Putin's army fled the proximities of Kyiv, it is clear that they are not publishing the true extent of the dead soldiers and it is clear that crimes have been committed.

I do not disregard comments about Ukraine's behaviour, probably there are individuals or groups that may not have their hands clean and if that is the case, it will be documented and eventually, accredited. I have not seen any evidence accredited of any of the (quite incredible) claims Putin's has made (e.g. bioweapons).


On the civil cars being overrun... well at least there is one recorded evidence of one case. It did not seem intended, yet there it was.

It is interesting that you side with one side, and disregard what other side says, yet accuse everyone here.
I have no problem to admit that I don't know, as I saw all the evidence from Ukraine side, but I also saw

https://www.bitchute.com/video/6ZHPL2pTuadJ/

and Ukraine true/lie track record so far seems a bit bad

Oh my god! According to your estimates? Do you think they were also eating newborns, according to your estimates?

You miss in here the keywords "nazi", "drugs", "gayrope", ... your controllers are not going to be happy.


So, the success was such that have decided it is enough and withdraw from Kyiv?

There is no text or talking that can defeat facts. The Donbas and the south are, as of now, controlled by Putin's army at a great cost and only near their bases. That's all and that is at the cost of more than 15000 young soldiers (and a few seasoned generals) and costly military equipment. This is very difficult to sell as a victory (because is not, mostly).


There is one clear revealing fact: a number of high ranking Russian generals dying and other being demoted and dismissed. That does not happen when you win. You cannot lie your way out of the disaster. There was a clear intention of deposing the government and failed, simply because Kyiv resisted and have no doubt, all the world has seen how Russia has lost their regional leadership status thanks to Putin.

The Russian army did look mighty... before this war. Now looks like a corrupt mob, full of untrained soldiers, corrupt officials, demotivated tank crews leaving their equipment to run, crews sabotaging their own vehicles,... Putin's work all of it.

On war crimes, worry not, there facts are documented to exhaustion as today is easy to get a satellite image and literally anyone older than 10 years has a phone with recording capabilities. If you are right, it will be known... sadly, it simply appears that the frustrated army forces in the area just went psycho on the poor defenceless civilians and that is certainly not a war, but plain assassination.

You see, Stalin was able to hide massacres from Russian people even after he died, Putin does not enjoy such a luxury.

Now, I agree with the article.

The NYT article that shows your pictures is clear: bodies where there long before the  UKR army arrived
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/04/world/europe/bucha-ukraine-bodies.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes

Comments intending to discredit are just taken out of the propaganda machine, there is no backing to them.

Until RT tells you that the medical examiner is a Nazi or something.

I think it is a fairly simple task for a medical examination to distinguish a fresh corpse from a corpse that has lain on the street for three weeks. Of course, not as simple as painting muddy pixels on satellite images, but nonetheless.

I think you're being fooled, just like when you were so sure that the reason Russia hadn't surrounded Kiev was because they wanted to let civilians escape and only a fool would think Kiev had any chance against the mighty Russian military.

There are satellite images from March 9-11 that show many of the same bodies on the road in the exact same positions that were filmed after Russia retreated from Bucha a few days ago.




https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/04/world/europe/bucha-ukraine-bodies.html

I think Biden's ass is already getting very hot from the investigations with his son's laptop, and from what the Russians can find in the Mariupol bunker, and from the fact that his economic sanctions do not have a noticeable and quick devastating effect on Russia.

Its possible that Russians did it, but it would be as stupid as Assad gassing his own civilians always AFTER
he would retake some territory...illogical...but in his case western media always promptly sided against
him, then going silent after UN team would find it was rebels that staged it

Tell me, what is the logic of the Russian military to kill civilians when leaving Bucha? Why Ukraine staged this provocation, I can understand, but why would the Russians do it? I think the staged fake was made in a big hurry and a medical examination, together with forensic experts, will soon shed light on this situation.

They have large Russian minority in Ukraine...shooting them and then blaming it on Russia would be seen by Azov as double win, I guess
I'm from Croatia, and during our little war 30 years ago, all sides did that (yes, even us Croats)

It is a pity for everyone that you do not listen to your own advice and choose to be a two-faced creature.


You know, even the Nazis during World War II did not blame the victims themselves for their crimes. They at least spoke openly about their views. By your logic, did the Jews burn themselves in concentration camps? Unlike them, you are not only brutally cruel, you are also the last cowards. Did the Ukrainians themselves arrange the massacre in Bucha? Well, it's extremely easy to do when the city is under occupation for more than three weeks. In the occupation you are so proud of, because it is almost near Kyiv. Probably, people want to see your "velikaya rasseya" on their doorstep so much that they burn your fascist symbols on their backs. They rape themselves and their children, they shoot themselves with their hands tied behind their backs. Just to set you up, innocent sheep. Because the world has nothing to do but think about you.

In Bucha, this is definitely a staged fake of Ukrainian propaganda, filmed on professional film equipment. Here is a video of the cleansing of Bucha by the Ukrainian police, there, for the whole time, a corpse in military uniform flashed in the frame once, there are no civilian corpses there. The decision to provocation under a false flag was apparently made by Ukraine later.
According to my estimates, a grouping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine numbering up to 15 thousand people is blocked in Mariupol, in the port area and at the Azovstal plant. Under Azovstal there is a whole underground city with many floors, in which there are a lot of interesting things that it is impossible or impractical to simply bomb and blow up, so it is being stormed by the marines and Kadyrov's Chechen militants, together with the people's militia of Donbass. Rumor has it that the Russians have captured US Major General Roger L. Cloutier Jr. and many more NATO troops are trapped in a bunker near Azovstal. They also say that there is a huge bio-laboratory where they conducted experiments on living people abducted from the Donbass. There is a version that there is a disassembled nuclear warhead, but I find it conspiratorial. I think the bunker will be taken soon and we will find out what is really there.

Objective facts show that in 48 hours Ukraine lost its navy and significant losses in the air fleet, and in 72 hours it was thrown back from the border with Russia by 100-150 kilometers, having lost the chance to shoot at Russian territory from artillery and even its own the most long-range missile Tochka-U. During the month of the operation, the Ukrainian army did not conduct a single serious counter-offensive. The entire military infrastructure has significantly degraded, the airfields have been destroyed, the oil refinery has been destroyed, the army of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has been immobilized in the Donbass and cannot leave their fortified positions. In the south, landing from the sea threatens Odessa and Nikolaev, in Mariupol the Armed Forces of Ukraine have no chance to get out of the encirclement.

Once Mariupol casualties are counted, it's likely that Putin will have killed more people in Donbas in a couple of months than there were conflict deaths during the prior 8 years.

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Edit: looks like Putin's propaganda will need a new version of the Bucha massacre denial. NYT dug up Maxar satellite pictures that show dead people appearing on the streets weeks ago, during Russian occupation, and not - like Kremlin apologists were claiming here in this thread - after Russians ran away.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/04/world/europe/bucha-ukraine-bodies.html (paywall)

It is just like the continuous pattern repetition on the post, people speaking of the issues in the Donbas, as if Putin could care at all about the actual people living in there and if they could, if ever given a honestly free choice - not like the "referendums" held, chose to join this or that country without any consequence.

This war is unrelated to nazism, will of people, the president being this or that,... it is simply a power-grab from Putin because he has failed to bring the old soviet controlled countries back under his Tzardom by offering an appealing alliance or economic advantages. This is simply absolutism and supremacism (I am so surprised he uses the nazi argument on others).

I agree with you, actually