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Despite a lot of good news (good for Ukraine), this photo darkened my day more than the sirens that I currently hear.
Putin denies Russia bombing Ukrainian cities
https://insiderpaper.com/putin-denies-russia-bombing-ukrainian-cities/
https://insiderpaper.com/putin-denies-russia-bombing-ukrainian-cities/
So who carried out the Chernihiv bombing? Kharkiv? and some other places? was it a ghost that did it? I can't understand how it is possible for someone as shameless as Putin to issue a statement like this and moreover call it propaganda, when it is clear that they carried out the bombing. smh
The Kremlin has long been known to use propaganda and disinformation as a powerful weapon. In order to curb the spread of disinformation, many Canadian and European telecom providers are banning major Russian propaganda outlets. The majority here is undoubtedly against any form of censorship. But, in order to do their jobs, government agencies must ensure that they are effectively countering Russian propaganda while giving a platform to alternative viewpoints and truth.
~snip~
On the subject of listening to Putin, there is a rule in war: Anything the enemy says is disinformation. You do not believe, nor not believe it , you simply ignore it completely insofar as that is humanly possible. Your decisions are based on facts, actions and your own intelligence.
This applies to anything they say, including "we want a diplomatic solution", "we are here to free you", etc... The enemy is not your friend and is not going to give you anything that can help your efforts.
On how Putin´s Russia is behaving, yes, I find quite a few similarities with the Nazis in WWII - the right to impose their views by force, despising minorities, blaming the foreign for your own weaknesses...
Of course, and it's not Russia bombing whole cities, neighborhoods and hospitals. These damned Ukrainians are rapidly building houses where the Russian army are launching missiles! (of course and I'm sarcastically speaking)On the subject of listening to Putin, there is a rule in war: Anything the enemy says is disinformation. You do not believe, nor not believe it , you simply ignore it completely insofar as that is humanly possible. Your decisions are based on facts, actions and your own intelligence.
This applies to anything they say, including "we want a diplomatic solution", "we are here to free you", etc... The enemy is not your friend and is not going to give you anything that can help your efforts.
On how Putin´s Russia is behaving, yes, I find quite a few similarities with the Nazis in WWII - the right to impose their views by force, despising minorities, blaming the foreign for your own weaknesses...
On top of that, their so-called diplomatic solution involves meeting all of Russia's demands, (which simply means surrendering their territories and becoming a Russian outpost, like Belarus). The war continues with an irreducible pace, I never expected such an outcome.
Putin denies Russia bombing Ukrainian cities
https://insiderpaper.com/putin-denies-russia-bombing-ukrainian-cities/
https://insiderpaper.com/putin-denies-russia-bombing-ukrainian-cities/
So who carried out the Chernihiv bombing? Kharkiv? and some other places? was it a ghost that did it? I can't understand how it is possible for someone as shameless as Putin to issue a statement like this and moreover call it propaganda, when it is clear that they carried out the bombing. smh
Can you guys give your take on that Azov battalion and their ideology? I couldn't find anything positive on them. This is from wiki
They are about several people in the huge country of 40 billion people.I can sure you, that yours country have several peolpe with same ideology.
So... why not? Some day Putin points on yours country, just saying he see that there lives some peolpe with wrong ideology... and he want to struggle them... aftrer that 500kg bombs drops on yours houses.
If it sound crazy to you - I can show you some videos from my city. It is without subtitles, but clear enough.
Hello here.
I live in Ukraine. Kharkiv. You can see it on the map if want.
We severe huge bombardment on us.
Now different politicans from RF just turn to us by youtube. They say that Ukraine will be destroyed.
For this moment I want to organize something like a humanitarian process in my district.
Because I live at Pokotilovka. It is on the city borders.
People are organized well, and some food was transferred here just today.
But there are many people having problem to access it because of logistical problems, in particular It happens to old people. And the food supply was not such huge(at all I can say).
So I just want to organize some transport to humanitarian hubs or even purchase some at product storages.
Also want to say about myself - I have a wife and 3 childrens plus dad and mom in my house for now. And our food stocks are about 1-2 weeks.
At that moment online payment services are working in my country.
Also I have a Binance account.
So want to beg for some crypto that I can sell, and use this funds for organizing humanitarian logistic in my district.
I can provide any evidences of where I live, can handle a video conversation when internet connection is on, give full photo report on future actions, etc.
If you can help - pls freely contact me at any time.
https://t.me/radiy_sl
I live in Ukraine. Kharkiv. You can see it on the map if want.
We severe huge bombardment on us.
Now different politicans from RF just turn to us by youtube. They say that Ukraine will be destroyed.
For this moment I want to organize something like a humanitarian process in my district.
Because I live at Pokotilovka. It is on the city borders.
People are organized well, and some food was transferred here just today.
But there are many people having problem to access it because of logistical problems, in particular It happens to old people. And the food supply was not such huge(at all I can say).
So I just want to organize some transport to humanitarian hubs or even purchase some at product storages.
Also want to say about myself - I have a wife and 3 childrens plus dad and mom in my house for now. And our food stocks are about 1-2 weeks.
At that moment online payment services are working in my country.
Also I have a Binance account.
So want to beg for some crypto that I can sell, and use this funds for organizing humanitarian logistic in my district.
I can provide any evidences of where I live, can handle a video conversation when internet connection is on, give full photo report on future actions, etc.
If you can help - pls freely contact me at any time.
https://t.me/radiy_sl
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You're conflicting your own writing, you clearly not completely ignore him.
Are you pro Azov or pro BCУ (VSU )?
https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Azov_Battalion
You're conflicting your own writing, you clearly not completely ignore him.
Are you pro Azov or pro BCУ (VSU )?
https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Azov_Battalion
Remember when you were fooled into believing the pope got arrested for being a pedophile because you read it on some trash website? Or when you were convinced Biden would be arrested on the day of his inauguration and Trump would remain in power?
Believing Putin makes you even more of an incredibly gullible idiot.
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Yep. I'm from Ukraine. If someone has questions you're welcome.
Yep. I'm from Ukraine. If someone has questions you're welcome.
Can you guys give your take on that Azov battalion and their ideology? I couldn't find anything positive on them. This is from wiki
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In 2014, the regiment gained attention after allegations of torture and war crimes, as well as neo-Nazi sympathies and usage of associated symbols by the regiment, as seen in their logo featuring the Wolfsangel, one of the original symbols used by the 2nd SS Panzer Division Das Reich.
...In 2018, a provision in an appropriations bill passed by the United States Congress blocked military aid to Azov on the grounds of its white supremacist ideology
...The unit's first commander was far-right nationalist Andriy Biletsky, who led the neo-Nazi Social-National Assembly and Patriot of Ukraine.
...The Azov Battalion has been described as a far-right militia with connections to neo-Nazism, with members wearing neo-Nazi and SS symbols and regalia and expressing neo-Nazi views. The group's insignia features the Wolfsangel[51][84][83][85][86] and the Black Sun,[84][87][88] two neo-Nazi symbols.
...More than 40 Israeli human rights activists signed a petition to stop arms sales to Ukraine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion ...In 2018, a provision in an appropriations bill passed by the United States Congress blocked military aid to Azov on the grounds of its white supremacist ideology
...The unit's first commander was far-right nationalist Andriy Biletsky, who led the neo-Nazi Social-National Assembly and Patriot of Ukraine.
...The Azov Battalion has been described as a far-right militia with connections to neo-Nazism, with members wearing neo-Nazi and SS symbols and regalia and expressing neo-Nazi views. The group's insignia features the Wolfsangel[51][84][83][85][86] and the Black Sun,[84][87][88] two neo-Nazi symbols.
...More than 40 Israeli human rights activists signed a petition to stop arms sales to Ukraine
Putin denies Russia bombing Ukrainian cities
https://insiderpaper.com/putin-denies-russia-bombing-ukrainian-cities/
https://insiderpaper.com/putin-denies-russia-bombing-ukrainian-cities/
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Russian President Vladimir Putin in a phone call with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz denied that Russian troops were bombing Ukrainian cities, dismissing such information as fake, the Kremlin said Friday.
Putin said reports about “the alleged ongoing air strikes of Kyiv and other large cities are gross propaganda fakes,” the Kremlin said in a statement.
He added that dialogue on Ukraine would be possible only if Russian demands are met.
Putin “confirmed that Russia is open to dialogue with the Ukrainian side, as well as with everyone who wants peace in Ukraine. But under the condition that all Russian demands are met,” the Kremlin said.
These include the neutral and non-nuclear status of Ukraine, its “denazification”, recognition of Crimea as part of Russia and of the “sovereignty” of separatist territories in eastern Ukraine.
“Hope was expressed that during the planned third round of talks, the representatives of Kyiv will take a reasonable and constructive position,” the Kremlin added.
The next meeting of delegations from Russia and Ukraine is expected during the weekend, according to one of Kyiv’s negotiators.
Putin said reports about “the alleged ongoing air strikes of Kyiv and other large cities are gross propaganda fakes,” the Kremlin said in a statement.
He added that dialogue on Ukraine would be possible only if Russian demands are met.
Putin “confirmed that Russia is open to dialogue with the Ukrainian side, as well as with everyone who wants peace in Ukraine. But under the condition that all Russian demands are met,” the Kremlin said.
These include the neutral and non-nuclear status of Ukraine, its “denazification”, recognition of Crimea as part of Russia and of the “sovereignty” of separatist territories in eastern Ukraine.
“Hope was expressed that during the planned third round of talks, the representatives of Kyiv will take a reasonable and constructive position,” the Kremlin added.
The next meeting of delegations from Russia and Ukraine is expected during the weekend, according to one of Kyiv’s negotiators.
At this point, it does not matter what Putin says or thinks. I would completely ignore him.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1499806284081737730
Are you pro Azov or pro BCУ (VSU )?
https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Azov_Battalion
They don't abide by any human norms, moral or ethical standards.
They have no respect for human life, equality, or justice.
They break all norms of the civilized world and lie about it to themselves and the rest of the world.
There is no difference between WWII German Nazis and the Russian Soviets of any era.
In my world view, Soviets and their sympathizers should be put down like the mad dogs they are.
They are pure evil on pretty much any level.
On the subject of listening to Putin, there is a rule in war: Anything the enemy says is disinformation. You do not believe, nor not believe it , you simply ignore it completely insofar as that is humanly possible. Your decisions are based on facts, actions and your own intelligence.
This applies to anything they say, including "we want a diplomatic solution", "we are here to free you", etc... The enemy is not your friend and is not going to give you anything that can help your efforts.
On how Putin´s Russia is behaving, yes, I find quite a few similarities with the Nazis in WWII - the right to impose their views by force, despising minorities, blaming the foreign for your own weaknesses...
So you claim the nazis fight the other nazis aka Azov Battalion
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German ZDF television observed Azov battalion fighters wearing helmets with swastikas and "the 'SS runes' of Hitler's infamous black-uniformed elite corps"
Putin denies Russia bombing Ukrainian cities
https://insiderpaper.com/putin-denies-russia-bombing-ukrainian-cities/
https://insiderpaper.com/putin-denies-russia-bombing-ukrainian-cities/
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Russian President Vladimir Putin in a phone call with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz denied that Russian troops were bombing Ukrainian cities, dismissing such information as fake, the Kremlin said Friday.
Putin said reports about “the alleged ongoing air strikes of Kyiv and other large cities are gross propaganda fakes,” the Kremlin said in a statement.
He added that dialogue on Ukraine would be possible only if Russian demands are met.
Putin “confirmed that Russia is open to dialogue with the Ukrainian side, as well as with everyone who wants peace in Ukraine. But under the condition that all Russian demands are met,” the Kremlin said.
These include the neutral and non-nuclear status of Ukraine, its “denazification”, recognition of Crimea as part of Russia and of the “sovereignty” of separatist territories in eastern Ukraine.
“Hope was expressed that during the planned third round of talks, the representatives of Kyiv will take a reasonable and constructive position,” the Kremlin added.
The next meeting of delegations from Russia and Ukraine is expected during the weekend, according to one of Kyiv’s negotiators.
Putin said reports about “the alleged ongoing air strikes of Kyiv and other large cities are gross propaganda fakes,” the Kremlin said in a statement.
He added that dialogue on Ukraine would be possible only if Russian demands are met.
Putin “confirmed that Russia is open to dialogue with the Ukrainian side, as well as with everyone who wants peace in Ukraine. But under the condition that all Russian demands are met,” the Kremlin said.
These include the neutral and non-nuclear status of Ukraine, its “denazification”, recognition of Crimea as part of Russia and of the “sovereignty” of separatist territories in eastern Ukraine.
“Hope was expressed that during the planned third round of talks, the representatives of Kyiv will take a reasonable and constructive position,” the Kremlin added.
The next meeting of delegations from Russia and Ukraine is expected during the weekend, according to one of Kyiv’s negotiators.
At this point, it does not matter what Putin says or thinks. I would completely ignore him.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1499806284081737730
Are you pro Azov or pro BCУ (VSU )?
https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Azov_Battalion
They don't abide by any human norms, moral or ethical standards.
They have no respect for human life, equality, or justice.
They break all norms of the civilized world and lie about it to themselves and the rest of the world.
There is no difference between WWII German Nazis and the Russian Soviets of any era.
In my world view, Soviets and their sympathizers should be put down like the mad dogs they are.
They are pure evil on pretty much any level.
On the subject of listening to Putin, there is a rule in war: Anything the enemy says is disinformation. You do not believe, nor not believe it , you simply ignore it completely insofar as that is humanly possible. Your decisions are based on facts, actions and your own intelligence.
This applies to anything they say, including "we want a diplomatic solution", "we are here to free you", etc... The enemy is not your friend and is not going to give you anything that can help your efforts.
On how Putin´s Russia is behaving, yes, I find quite a few similarities with the Nazis in WWII - the right to impose their views by force, despising minorities, blaming the foreign for your own weaknesses...
Putin denies Russia bombing Ukrainian cities
https://insiderpaper.com/putin-denies-russia-bombing-ukrainian-cities/
https://insiderpaper.com/putin-denies-russia-bombing-ukrainian-cities/
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Russian President Vladimir Putin in a phone call with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz denied that Russian troops were bombing Ukrainian cities, dismissing such information as fake, the Kremlin said Friday.
Putin said reports about “the alleged ongoing air strikes of Kyiv and other large cities are gross propaganda fakes,” the Kremlin said in a statement.
He added that dialogue on Ukraine would be possible only if Russian demands are met.
Putin “confirmed that Russia is open to dialogue with the Ukrainian side, as well as with everyone who wants peace in Ukraine. But under the condition that all Russian demands are met,” the Kremlin said.
These include the neutral and non-nuclear status of Ukraine, its “denazification”, recognition of Crimea as part of Russia and of the “sovereignty” of separatist territories in eastern Ukraine.
“Hope was expressed that during the planned third round of talks, the representatives of Kyiv will take a reasonable and constructive position,” the Kremlin added.
The next meeting of delegations from Russia and Ukraine is expected during the weekend, according to one of Kyiv’s negotiators.
Putin said reports about “the alleged ongoing air strikes of Kyiv and other large cities are gross propaganda fakes,” the Kremlin said in a statement.
He added that dialogue on Ukraine would be possible only if Russian demands are met.
Putin “confirmed that Russia is open to dialogue with the Ukrainian side, as well as with everyone who wants peace in Ukraine. But under the condition that all Russian demands are met,” the Kremlin said.
These include the neutral and non-nuclear status of Ukraine, its “denazification”, recognition of Crimea as part of Russia and of the “sovereignty” of separatist territories in eastern Ukraine.
“Hope was expressed that during the planned third round of talks, the representatives of Kyiv will take a reasonable and constructive position,” the Kremlin added.
The next meeting of delegations from Russia and Ukraine is expected during the weekend, according to one of Kyiv’s negotiators.
At this point, it does not matter what Putin says or thinks. I would completely ignore him.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1499806284081737730
Are you pro Azov or pro BCУ (VSU )?
https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Azov_Battalion
They don't abide by any human norms, moral or ethical standards.
They have no respect for human life, equality, or justice.
They break all norms of the civilized world and lie about it to themselves and the rest of the world.
There is no difference between WWII German Nazis and the Russian Soviets of any era.
In my world view, Soviets and their sympathizers should be put down like the mad dogs they are.
They are pure evil on pretty much any level.
Believing Putin makes you even more of an incredibly gullible idiot.
Yep. I'm from Ukraine. If someone has questions you're welcome.
Putin denies Russia bombing Ukrainian cities
https://insiderpaper.com/putin-denies-russia-bombing-ukrainian-cities/
https://insiderpaper.com/putin-denies-russia-bombing-ukrainian-cities/
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Russian President Vladimir Putin in a phone call with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz denied that Russian troops were bombing Ukrainian cities, dismissing such information as fake, the Kremlin said Friday.
Putin said reports about “the alleged ongoing air strikes of Kyiv and other large cities are gross propaganda fakes,” the Kremlin said in a statement.
He added that dialogue on Ukraine would be possible only if Russian demands are met.
Putin “confirmed that Russia is open to dialogue with the Ukrainian side, as well as with everyone who wants peace in Ukraine. But under the condition that all Russian demands are met,” the Kremlin said.
These include the neutral and non-nuclear status of Ukraine, its “denazification”, recognition of Crimea as part of Russia and of the “sovereignty” of separatist territories in eastern Ukraine.
“Hope was expressed that during the planned third round of talks, the representatives of Kyiv will take a reasonable and constructive position,” the Kremlin added.
The next meeting of delegations from Russia and Ukraine is expected during the weekend, according to one of Kyiv’s negotiators.
Putin said reports about “the alleged ongoing air strikes of Kyiv and other large cities are gross propaganda fakes,” the Kremlin said in a statement.
He added that dialogue on Ukraine would be possible only if Russian demands are met.
Putin “confirmed that Russia is open to dialogue with the Ukrainian side, as well as with everyone who wants peace in Ukraine. But under the condition that all Russian demands are met,” the Kremlin said.
These include the neutral and non-nuclear status of Ukraine, its “denazification”, recognition of Crimea as part of Russia and of the “sovereignty” of separatist territories in eastern Ukraine.
“Hope was expressed that during the planned third round of talks, the representatives of Kyiv will take a reasonable and constructive position,” the Kremlin added.
The next meeting of delegations from Russia and Ukraine is expected during the weekend, according to one of Kyiv’s negotiators.
At this point, it does not matter what Putin says or thinks. I would completely ignore him.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1499806284081737730
Are you pro Azov or pro BCУ (VSU )?
https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Azov_Battalion
Remember when you were fooled into believing the pope got arrested for being a pedophile because you read it on some trash website? Or when you were convinced Biden would be arrested on the day of his inauguration and Trump would remain in power?
Believing Putin makes you even more of an incredibly gullible idiot.
Meanwhile in Serbia - the only country in Europe with relevant pro-Russia rallies.
Here is answer why is Serbia still out of EU ...
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Rally in support of Russia in Belgrade, Serbia. Serbia, along with Russia is the only European country that waged aggressive wars against neighbouring countries in post WW2 period, so no surprise here. Aggressors for Aggressors.
https://twitter.com/herzogg96/status/1499810804945801218Here is answer why is Serbia still out of EU ...
Putin denies Russia bombing Ukrainian cities
https://insiderpaper.com/putin-denies-russia-bombing-ukrainian-cities/
https://insiderpaper.com/putin-denies-russia-bombing-ukrainian-cities/
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Russian President Vladimir Putin in a phone call with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz denied that Russian troops were bombing Ukrainian cities, dismissing such information as fake, the Kremlin said Friday.
Putin said reports about “the alleged ongoing air strikes of Kyiv and other large cities are gross propaganda fakes,” the Kremlin said in a statement.
He added that dialogue on Ukraine would be possible only if Russian demands are met.
Putin “confirmed that Russia is open to dialogue with the Ukrainian side, as well as with everyone who wants peace in Ukraine. But under the condition that all Russian demands are met,” the Kremlin said.
These include the neutral and non-nuclear status of Ukraine, its “denazification”, recognition of Crimea as part of Russia and of the “sovereignty” of separatist territories in eastern Ukraine.
“Hope was expressed that during the planned third round of talks, the representatives of Kyiv will take a reasonable and constructive position,” the Kremlin added.
The next meeting of delegations from Russia and Ukraine is expected during the weekend, according to one of Kyiv’s negotiators.
Putin said reports about “the alleged ongoing air strikes of Kyiv and other large cities are gross propaganda fakes,” the Kremlin said in a statement.
He added that dialogue on Ukraine would be possible only if Russian demands are met.
Putin “confirmed that Russia is open to dialogue with the Ukrainian side, as well as with everyone who wants peace in Ukraine. But under the condition that all Russian demands are met,” the Kremlin said.
These include the neutral and non-nuclear status of Ukraine, its “denazification”, recognition of Crimea as part of Russia and of the “sovereignty” of separatist territories in eastern Ukraine.
“Hope was expressed that during the planned third round of talks, the representatives of Kyiv will take a reasonable and constructive position,” the Kremlin added.
The next meeting of delegations from Russia and Ukraine is expected during the weekend, according to one of Kyiv’s negotiators.
At this point, it does not matter what Putin says or thinks. I would completely ignore him.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1499806284081737730
Are you pro Azov or pro BCУ (VSU )?
https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Azov_Battalion
Putin denies Russia bombing Ukrainian cities
https://insiderpaper.com/putin-denies-russia-bombing-ukrainian-cities/
https://insiderpaper.com/putin-denies-russia-bombing-ukrainian-cities/
So what? This bullshit did not reduce the number of bombs flying into Ukrainian cities.
NATO's declaration in 2008:
Putin's response:
Ukraine is strategically very important for the security of Russia but the West were encouraging Ukraine to play tough against Russia. The West were encouraging the Ukrainians that they will ultimately become a part of the West because the West will ultimately defeat Putin.
Is West losing anything from this War? No! In fact, they are looking at making more money from selling weapons and since Russian will be disconnected from major part of the world, US will easily make deals with their energy resources to the EU nations. But what did Ukraine get from playing tough against a country which has huge nuclear power where they have none?
It does not matter who will win this WAR? Putin or West but one thing is very clear for sure that Ukraine is losing everything now, Ukraine is getting wrecked and will have nothing left when we will have an end of this WAR.
Ukraine more needs to be in NATO and EU than NATO and EU need to have Ukraine. Offcourse that Russia don't want that such thing would happen, but Ukraine is independent country and they have right to decide themselves where they want to go. Poland and Baltic states is NATO members for about 20 years. It supposed to be direct threat for Russia but nothing didn't happened in all these years. And look what this war just caused. Georgia and even Moldova applied to become EU members. Finland and Sweden considering to join NATO. This is what Russia wanted? Nobody don't want to have ''Russkiy mir'' in their country. Ukraine don't want it too. Maybe only Belarus want, but basically, it's province of Russia.Quote
NATO welcomes Ukraine's and Georgia's Euro Atlantic aspirations for membership in NATO. We agreed today that these countries will become members of NATO
Putin's response:
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Georgia and Ukraine becoming part of NATO is a "direct threat" to Russia
Ukraine is strategically very important for the security of Russia but the West were encouraging Ukraine to play tough against Russia. The West were encouraging the Ukrainians that they will ultimately become a part of the West because the West will ultimately defeat Putin.
Is West losing anything from this War? No! In fact, they are looking at making more money from selling weapons and since Russian will be disconnected from major part of the world, US will easily make deals with their energy resources to the EU nations. But what did Ukraine get from playing tough against a country which has huge nuclear power where they have none?
It does not matter who will win this WAR? Putin or West but one thing is very clear for sure that Ukraine is losing everything now, Ukraine is getting wrecked and will have nothing left when we will have an end of this WAR.
Things are not going as planned for Putin. The international legion is growing like crazy.
Here is a call from the Chechen leader to all people who were prosecuted by
Russians under the Soviet Union, to come to Ukraine and fight Russians.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVc-rWujpHs
This might be a long war of detrition.
NATO's declaration in 2008:
Putin's response:
Ukraine is strategically very important for the security of Russia but the West were encouraging Ukraine to play tough against Russia. The West were encouraging the Ukrainians that they will ultimately become a part of the West because the West will ultimately defeat Putin.
Is West losing anything from this War? No! In fact, they are looking at making more money from selling weapons and since Russian will be disconnected from major part of the world, US will easily make deals with their energy resources to the EU nations. But what did Ukraine get from playing tough against a country which has huge nuclear power where they have none?
It does not matter who will win this WAR? Putin or West but one thing is very clear for sure that Ukraine is losing everything now, Ukraine is getting wrecked and will have nothing left when we will have an end of this WAR.
Ukraine more needs to be in NATO and EU than NATO and EU need to have Ukraine. Offcourse that Russia don't want that such thing would happen, but Ukraine is independent country and they have right to decide themselves where they want to go. Poland and Baltic states is NATO members for about 20 years. It supposed to be direct threat for Russia but nothing didn't happened in all these years. And look what this war just caused. Georgia and even Moldova applied to become EU members. Finland and Sweden considering to join NATO. This is what Russia wanted? Nobody don't want to have ''Russkiy mir'' in their country. Ukraine don't want it too. Maybe only Belarus want, but basically, it's province of Russia. Quote
NATO welcomes Ukraine's and Georgia's Euro Atlantic aspirations for membership in NATO. We agreed today that these countries will become members of NATO
Putin's response:
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Georgia and Ukraine becoming part of NATO is a "direct threat" to Russia
Ukraine is strategically very important for the security of Russia but the West were encouraging Ukraine to play tough against Russia. The West were encouraging the Ukrainians that they will ultimately become a part of the West because the West will ultimately defeat Putin.
Is West losing anything from this War? No! In fact, they are looking at making more money from selling weapons and since Russian will be disconnected from major part of the world, US will easily make deals with their energy resources to the EU nations. But what did Ukraine get from playing tough against a country which has huge nuclear power where they have none?
It does not matter who will win this WAR? Putin or West but one thing is very clear for sure that Ukraine is losing everything now, Ukraine is getting wrecked and will have nothing left when we will have an end of this WAR.
Putin denies Russia bombing Ukrainian cities
https://insiderpaper.com/putin-denies-russia-bombing-ukrainian-cities/
https://insiderpaper.com/putin-denies-russia-bombing-ukrainian-cities/
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Russian President Vladimir Putin in a phone call with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz denied that Russian troops were bombing Ukrainian cities, dismissing such information as fake, the Kremlin said Friday.
Putin said reports about “the alleged ongoing air strikes of Kyiv and other large cities are gross propaganda fakes,” the Kremlin said in a statement.
He added that dialogue on Ukraine would be possible only if Russian demands are met.
Putin “confirmed that Russia is open to dialogue with the Ukrainian side, as well as with everyone who wants peace in Ukraine. But under the condition that all Russian demands are met,” the Kremlin said.
These include the neutral and non-nuclear status of Ukraine, its “denazification”, recognition of Crimea as part of Russia and of the “sovereignty” of separatist territories in eastern Ukraine.
“Hope was expressed that during the planned third round of talks, the representatives of Kyiv will take a reasonable and constructive position,” the Kremlin added.
The next meeting of delegations from Russia and Ukraine is expected during the weekend, according to one of Kyiv’s negotiators.
Putin said reports about “the alleged ongoing air strikes of Kyiv and other large cities are gross propaganda fakes,” the Kremlin said in a statement.
He added that dialogue on Ukraine would be possible only if Russian demands are met.
Putin “confirmed that Russia is open to dialogue with the Ukrainian side, as well as with everyone who wants peace in Ukraine. But under the condition that all Russian demands are met,” the Kremlin said.
These include the neutral and non-nuclear status of Ukraine, its “denazification”, recognition of Crimea as part of Russia and of the “sovereignty” of separatist territories in eastern Ukraine.
“Hope was expressed that during the planned third round of talks, the representatives of Kyiv will take a reasonable and constructive position,” the Kremlin added.
The next meeting of delegations from Russia and Ukraine is expected during the weekend, according to one of Kyiv’s negotiators.
Thousands of dead civilians later and now Putin wants to use diplomacy. I guess he needed evidence that he was not bluffing. And who pays for it? Ukrainian civilians and the Russian people.
Also seems baffling how Putin is able to rationalize himself for the invasion of Ukraine. I suppose the juxtaposition of the Nazi regime of Volodymyr Zelenskyy is avoidable as long as Putin is able to produce a false reality for himself. Either Zelenskyy is a terrible Nazi, or he's a terrible Jew. Perhaps Putin believes he is both.
Wait, I am afraid we are just loosing a bit here. The fact that a country is strategically important for you does not mean you automatically get the right to rule it!
Russia would not want to rule or better say wreck Ukraine if the West were not constantly pushing their interest in Ukraine. West should have consider not expanding NATO to the east.Quote
Russia is strategically important for the safety of Poland. Putin is aggressive, thus Poland has the right to change Russia's regime. Sounds ridiculous does it not?
Poland don't need to do it alone. The west, EU and NATO are already trying to do it for them.Quote
Then, the argument is "I have a bigger army and I will tell your citizens what they can and cannot do"
Why do you think all these nuclear power all around? To produce energy?My point was not justifying the war but to point out the problems behind it. The West and Russia are having their egoistic showdown and in between Ukrainians are losing everything even at this very moment.
So the West is the cause of this war because the people of Ukraine would rather look west than be part of Putin's dominions? Cannot you not understand that Putin's Russia is simply unattractive as as partner? Would you not say that his doings in Chechenia, the government actions in Russia and Belorussia are not fundamental reasons why other kids do not wanna play with him? Would you say that the empire of the oligarchs he promoted is a feature many would rather not have in their countries?
There is a old German saying: "be my friend or I'll crush your skull". Did Putin not learn to make friend when he was six?
Again, either this is about legality or it is about force. If it is about legality, Ukraine is a free country and is free to choose their partners. If it is about force, then we should reckon that diplomacy has failed and neutral countries are free to sell weapons to any of the contenders as per the rules of war. My personal take is for the West to help Ukraine reach a full stalemate on this war until it is no longer economically viable or someone decides to, instead of changing Ukraine government, reconsider who should be their own leader.
If you know that women leaving the house without a man will most likely have severe consequences in Saudi Arabia, but you still encourage a Saudi girl to protest and come outside without a man, when she gets arrested and tortured to death, would you bear any responsibility, or should you just move on to encouraging the rights of the next Saudi girl?
What do you say when a Geneva convention violation, where a medical facility of doctors without borders which was on the no-strike list is attacked with 211 shells causing 42 deaths, and then a tank rolled in which "forced entry damaged property, destroyed potential evidence and caused stress and fear". Is not qualify as a war crime by the laws? sorry to burst your bubble but world is unfair, war is hell, and selective enforcement of laws only makes a mockery of said laws
Edit: And there are many more examples of violations of human rights which were never prosecuted, now question why are you being activated for this even vs others with many more civilian casualties.
Agreed, although you are a bit outdated on Saudi Arabia, there are some signs of opening.
I would encourage any population to organise themselves and seek all the help possible to free themselves in the most effective manner possible. but without giving in.
To be honest, being under Putin's rule does not guarantee that the population will not suffer or die.
Putin denies Russia bombing Ukrainian cities
https://insiderpaper.com/putin-denies-russia-bombing-ukrainian-cities/
https://insiderpaper.com/putin-denies-russia-bombing-ukrainian-cities/
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Russian President Vladimir Putin in a phone call with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz denied that Russian troops were bombing Ukrainian cities, dismissing such information as fake, the Kremlin said Friday.
Putin said reports about “the alleged ongoing air strikes of Kyiv and other large cities are gross propaganda fakes,” the Kremlin said in a statement.
He added that dialogue on Ukraine would be possible only if Russian demands are met.
Putin “confirmed that Russia is open to dialogue with the Ukrainian side, as well as with everyone who wants peace in Ukraine. But under the condition that all Russian demands are met,” the Kremlin said.
These include the neutral and non-nuclear status of Ukraine, its “denazification”, recognition of Crimea as part of Russia and of the “sovereignty” of separatist territories in eastern Ukraine.
“Hope was expressed that during the planned third round of talks, the representatives of Kyiv will take a reasonable and constructive position,” the Kremlin added.
The next meeting of delegations from Russia and Ukraine is expected during the weekend, according to one of Kyiv’s negotiators.
Putin said reports about “the alleged ongoing air strikes of Kyiv and other large cities are gross propaganda fakes,” the Kremlin said in a statement.
He added that dialogue on Ukraine would be possible only if Russian demands are met.
Putin “confirmed that Russia is open to dialogue with the Ukrainian side, as well as with everyone who wants peace in Ukraine. But under the condition that all Russian demands are met,” the Kremlin said.
These include the neutral and non-nuclear status of Ukraine, its “denazification”, recognition of Crimea as part of Russia and of the “sovereignty” of separatist territories in eastern Ukraine.
“Hope was expressed that during the planned third round of talks, the representatives of Kyiv will take a reasonable and constructive position,” the Kremlin added.
The next meeting of delegations from Russia and Ukraine is expected during the weekend, according to one of Kyiv’s negotiators.
At this point, it does not matter what Putin says or thinks. I would completely ignore him.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1499806284081737730
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