Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 367. (Read 76553 times)

I was somehow, somehow in support of Putin because I believe he's not only fighting for himself, rather the citizens and also the world. But invading another sovereign state is totally out of it. A breach of agreements and illegal attack to be precise and such act should never be condoned.

In fact, there is already an answer to this question. It was given on Twitter by Georgy Alburov (an employee of the anti-corruption fund - an organization that is equated to a terrorist organization in Russia): https://twitter.com/alburov/status/1497295164892581891
These guys know a lot about how corruption works in Russia and understand what can really hurt Putin. All of Putin's best friends became billionaires when he became president, so sanctions should be directed not against ordinary Russians, but against the business of Putin's friends and government employees. I am sure that Putin does not care about the problems of ordinary Russians, and many of the sanctions imposed by European countries are just an excuse to say, "look, this is confirmation that these countries were at the same time against us, which was required to be proved." Putin is not afraid of the isolation of the country, he and his friends are rich enough to live in isolation for centuries and feel comfortable at the same time. The dude from the anti-corruption fund proposes to ban the supply of elite furniture for Putin's palace in Gelendzhik. They know which European companies are doing this, so EU just need to consult with Alexei Navalny's supporters about the sanctions.

As We see no resolution can stop this war against peaceful Ukraine yet. why? - ,,Russian artillery fire has struck Kyiv's children's cancer hospital Okhmadyt, killing one child and wounding two, along with two adults.'' TSN reported
As of now the best we can do is to donate to civilians who have suffered too much damage from this devastating war.

A group of activists also created UkraineDAO to raise funds for Ukrainian residents affected by Russia's invasion of the country.

https://twitter.com/Ukraine_DAO

Source: https://cryptobriefing.com/ukrainedao-organized-for-war-relief-efforts/

Yeah Blitzkrieg doesn't seem to be the plan. Which is odd as time usually plays again the aggressor, dissent grows proportionally to the length of conflict . See reports of attacks around Odesa and Mariupol' perhaps the plan is to take away Ukraine access to the Black sea, make it a landlocked country, and hand it back to EU for support.

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Putin hasn't showed his full potential yet, I highly doubt that he's even using 1/4 of his army capacity. His real motives are still unknown, if he truly wanted to capture Kyiv, wouldn't he be more aggressive? Is he performing a show, till the real attack occurs?

It's definitely not over yet, while Putin seems to not care about any financial repercussions, he's certain that the NATO and the EU won't interfere militarily.

To fan out some of the fog of war, some cities were already captured, and almost half of the assembled Russian forces are still idling outside of Ukraine. I don't believe underestimating Russian muscle is a benefit
https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-news-02-26-22/h_0bb4d4e4b3cd77cbddbe1230246e6a09

I cannot verify this source so take it with a grain of salt - https://twitter.com/ArmedForcesUkr/status/1497425201969123328

Read reports hat Russian troops were planning on capturing Kyiv within last 24 hours, but the source above states no captures of any Ukrainian cities were reported over the previous day. I cannot imagine any circumstances in which Putin is retreating so early, so this only tells me prolonged occupation of Russian troops in or around major Ukrainian cities if Putin decides not to capture to put troops on the ground in Kyiv. This is being celebrated as if the Ukrainians are winning. I would remind those that celebrate such a minor victory that these events can last years. If not Kyiv today, then tomorrow.

This was posted 6 hours ago showing basically gunfight is happening right in Kyiv https://youtu.be/4Tj_R8e0SiQ Zelenskyy had a speech uploaded an hour ago saying they are still in control of Kyiv https://youtu.be/k7FZ-gX6YEU but I doubt they can hold on to the capital for long if they don't get reinforcements. Which lets face it, is probably not going to come.

Yes that will be a big problem. Particularly for countries like Poland who get 70% of their gas from Russia. Without SWIFT the gas cannot be paid (unless Russia starts accepting BTC of course).

However that is a pain that everyone will have to deal with. Poland already said they will support cutting Russia from SWIFT. My home country The Netherlands is contemplating upping the gas production again. Measures will have to be taken in the whole of Europe to keep energy prices for civilians and companies in check.

Also. interesting article highlighting both sides of the story, about 'de-nazification' of Ukrain. Might be hulpful to quote when confronted with Russian propaganda: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/25/vladimir-putin-ukraine-attack-antisemitism-denazify

Won't that cause an increase in oil prices in Europe though? Russia is one of the largest exporters of CNG, while Europe also imports oil, at a decent percentage. The war itself already skyrocketed oil and gas prices, however, wouldn't these sanctions lead to a further increase in prices, in the near future?

Talking about the financial repercussions is the least important thing when people are literally dying, however, it was a question I wanted to ask, since Russia is one of the largest exporters in that industry.

Removing Russia from SWIFT will hurt Europe more than Russia. And US and its Allies are scared that Russia might seek alternative payment system from China which would make the US loose its position as the leader of International Interbank Transaction.

Perhaps this will give you a more detailed picture of the current situation ...

Just yesterday, I managed to pick up some members of my family from Kyiv and moved them to the south of the country, but unfortunately I see real operational reports that say that columns of Russian equipment are moving closer to my house (despite 3,000 dead).

And I cannot describe what pain is in my heart because I am from the region where they speak and think in Russian, moreover, until yesterday, I had a normal attitude towards Russia, since every second family in Ukraine has close relatives in a brotherly country. I think when I fully take care of the safety of my family, I will also consider all possible options for protecting my land.

At the moment, battles are being fought near Kiev with sabotage groups and the regular army of Russia, but it is unlikely that Kyiv will be captured, since, according to my calculations, at least 20,000 volunteers received weapons in the last 24 hours.

These are videos from the last couple of hours.

• Melitopol / coastal zone of the Sea of Azov: https://imgur.com/TgfgDKU
• Kakhovka / Battle for the bridge on the Dnieper River: https://imgur.com/amx2NZx
• Kyiv / Delivery of the wounded: https://imgur.com/nVWN943
• Consequences of the invasion / Not for the faint of heart: https://imgur.com/mzwVgjr
• Mouth of the Dnieper River / Airstrike: https://imgur.com/nPOjcvS
• Nikolaev / Port city: https://imgur.com/7BwyFTo

Map of hostilities at 21.00 UTC


Today I helped to build a protective structure of concrete blocks.

It's a lie by Putin.
He wanted to buy time because his forces are trying to locate Ukrainian president and his family and kill them. At least that's what Ukrainian intelligence said a few hours after Putin's press secretary claimed they're open to peace talks and guess what, another couple hours later Putin says that press secretary acted independently and he doesn't really want to discuss anything else but a total capitulation.

I just want to say that's good that Ukraine have true leader, which is their president Volodymyr Zelenskyy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0-Yeqh4PFY
He isn't hiding anywhere or didn't ruined away from country. He is doing for his country everything what he can, despite that he now is target no. 1 for Russia. There is unofficial information that today in talks with Western leaders he said that it may be last time when they see him alive.
Also, former president, billionaire Petro Poroshenko also didn't run away like many oligarchs. Today he was on Kyiv streets with riffle:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEemYjYRYsg

You're right, thanks for expanding my point. But considering how things are developping, it won't happen. Europe rather will buy more gas from Russia, rather than imposing serious sanctions.

They also banned Russia from Eurovision song contest.It definitely will stop Putin.
Ukraine were left alone. But West don't understand that Ukraine may be not final destination for Russia.

I don't think so. I think that it may end with more deaths of civil people. People wth Molotov cocktails in hands and no war experience can't do much damage to professional army. While Russian army may start not to pay attention whether it's Ukrainian soldiers or civil people and attack them.

Offcourse, US started war in Ukraine, who else... Russia simply had no choice other than invasion of Ukraine. What a bulshit...

Owing to the NATO agreement of non_expansion and recent developments, I just want to ask that, if you were to be in Vladimir's position what will you do?

West is going to be hard because Poland is in the EU and NATO and houses a lot of US troops and weapons. Killing US troops on Polish soil would basically mean a war with the USA which Russia cannot win. Also, attacking the EU would mean attacking neighboring countries with pretty significant striking power like Sweden (good air force), UK (nuclear submarines), and so on. Based on what Putin is doing right now which is murdering civilians for no reason, I can't definitely say he won't try it, but it would be a suicidal move.
The only possible move would be to go North to the Baltic States, but I doubt he'd be able to wage war there and hold Ukraine at the same time.

Considering they're basically on the outskirts of Kyiv right now, it'll be more likely that they'd force the current government to step down and replace it with one more friendly towards Russia. That is the best case scenario. It's still possible that they'd just outright annex Ukraine.

Except their condition for talks is "neutrality", by which they mean demilitarization, which is what they're claiming to be doing now. So it doesn't change or stop the invasion. It's just propaganda for Russian people ("look, we're offering to avoid bloodshed if Ukraine gives up").