Russian roadmap to Solar System colonisation. Moon is the first step.

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Quote from: Nemo1024 on May 29, 2014, 03:03:56 PM

Quote from: Schleicher on May 28, 2014, 10:59:34 AM

Quote from: Nemo1024 on May 28, 2014, 10:05:37 AM

Long ago I read a science fiction novel, where Moon colony proclains independence and leaves Earth orbit. Don't remember what's it called and who the author was, though.

I can only remember this:
The Moon is a Harsh Mistress
But they are not leaving earth orbit there
Other story where the moon is leaving earth orbit:
Mutineer's Moon

The Moon is a Harsh Mistress sounds actually closer to what I remember. There was talk there about leaving the orbit. I don't remember if they ever did... I read that novel about 25 years ago...

no leaving orbit. that's the book where Heinlein depicts his view of a lunar railgun, robotic body parts, first AI, lunar rebellion and independence, and a crude Ayn Randian lunar capitalism.

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Quote from: Schleicher on May 28, 2014, 10:59:34 AM

Quote from: Nemo1024 on May 28, 2014, 10:05:37 AM

Long ago I read a science fiction novel, where Moon colony proclains independence and leaves Earth orbit. Don't remember what's it called and who the author was, though.

I can only remember this:
The Moon is a Harsh Mistress
But they are not leaving earth orbit there
Other story where the moon is leaving earth orbit:
Mutineer's Moon

The Moon is a Harsh Mistress sounds actually closer to what I remember. There was talk there about leaving the orbit. I don't remember if they ever did... I read that novel about 25 years ago...

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Quote from: stompix on May 29, 2014, 11:17:52 AM

Quote from: kuroman on May 29, 2014, 11:07:19 AM

the Moon can't hold an atmosphere because of the lack of gravity, you need to artificially put a container for that, having a magnetic field helps against solar winds that erodes higher part of atmosphere into space, I think that before thinking too far, a first step would be getting there and doing it on a consistant basis to do scientific research and study the potentiel of our rocky neighbour

Lack of gravity?
Before posting anything else you should check your sources better. The moon has it's own gravity roughly 16% compared to earth.

It'd be kind of interesting to send all of our unwanted rejects there. Criminals, political undesirables, cryptogrpahic anarkrists, those nutcases who believe in religion, all those people that just don't row the official boat. Snowden of course.

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Quote from: kuroman on May 29, 2014, 11:07:19 AM

the Moon can't hold an atmosphere because of the lack of gravity, you need to artificially put a container for that, having a magnetic field helps against solar winds that erodes higher part of atmosphere into space, I think that before thinking too far, a first step would be getting there and doing it on a consistant basis to do scientific research and study the potentiel of our rocky neighbour

Lack of gravity?
Before posting anything else you should check your sources better. The moon has it's own gravity roughly 16% compared to earth.

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the Moon can't hold an atmosphere because of the lack of gravity, you need to artificially put a container for that, having a magnetic field helps against solar winds that erodes higher part of atmosphere into space, I think that before thinking too far, a first step would be getting there and doing it on a consistant basis to do scientific research and study the potentiel of our rocky neighbour

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Quote from: Schleicher on May 28, 2014, 10:59:34 AM

Quote from: Nemo1024 on May 28, 2014, 10:05:37 AM

Long ago I read a science fiction novel, where Moon colony proclains independence and leaves Earth orbit. Don't remember what's it called and who the author was, though.

I can only remember this:
The Moon is a Harsh Mistress
But they are not leaving earth orbit there
Other story where the moon is leaving earth orbit:
Mutineer's Moon

I guess we could first grab a magnetic 100Km size rock, ram it into the Moon to give it a magnetic pole, then motor on down close to the Earth to scoop up some of that very useful air, water, dirt, ice, fish, birds and maybe a few humanoids, then cruise on off to a selected orbit.

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Quote from: Nemo1024 on May 28, 2014, 10:05:37 AM

Long ago I read a science fiction novel, where Moon colony proclains independence and leaves Earth orbit. Don't remember what's it called and who the author was, though.

I can only remember this:
The Moon is a Harsh Mistress
But they are not leaving earth orbit there
Other story where the moon is leaving earth orbit:
Mutineer's Moon

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Long ago I read a science fiction novel, where Moon colony proclains independence and leaves Earth orbit. Don't remember what's it called and who the author was, though. Reminds of some of the current events.

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Quote from: Nemo1024 on May 28, 2014, 09:07:05 AM

Quote from: stompix on May 28, 2014, 08:32:25 AM

Maybe the next generation "terrorist" will ram the moon to the earth instead of flying a plane into a building

Now, now, don't you start giving "them" any ideas..

Did my best on google searching for a conspiracy about ramming the moon into the earth plan but didn't find anything.
I've thought people already had an idea who this might be possible.

Something about nibiru but nothing about the moon itself.

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Quote from: stompix on May 28, 2014, 08:32:25 AM

Maybe the next generation "terrorist" will ram the moon to the earth instead of flying a plane into a building

Now, now, don't you start giving "them" any ideas..

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Quote from: Spendulus on May 28, 2014, 08:29:03 AM

Quote from: stompix on May 28, 2014, 07:36:18 AM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on May 28, 2014, 07:19:41 AM

Quote from: dogechode on May 27, 2014, 08:21:04 PM

I think he is referring to the fact that the moon has many documented effects on the earth. If I recall correctly it affects ocean tides quite a bit, and the amount of light it reflects impacts a lot of plant and animals at night. So yes, 'messing with' the moon could have a very real impact on the earth.

Unless the moon changes its shape or changes its rotation path around the earth, there will be no additional impact on the earth. And right now, with the current technology, humans are unable to do something as drastic as that. Putting up a settlement on the lunar surface will not impact the life on earth in any big way. Grin

A settlement maybe , but what if we go back on testing things on the moon?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_A119

If something bigger would go out of control , probably we would end u with half a moon all the year.

Atomic bombs are puny nanoscale things compared to something the size of the Earth or the Moon.

To give an idea of the scale of things, mining one square kilometer of the moon's surface and extracting from the first couple meters aluminum and titanium would give us more of these two metals than is produced over the entire Earth in a year.

By the time we reach the moon , atomic bombs might be nanoscale things compared to weapons the army is hiding.

Maybe the next generation "terrorist" will ram the moon to the earth instead of flying a plane into a building

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Quote from: stompix on May 28, 2014, 07:36:18 AM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on May 28, 2014, 07:19:41 AM

Quote from: dogechode on May 27, 2014, 08:21:04 PM

I think he is referring to the fact that the moon has many documented effects on the earth. If I recall correctly it affects ocean tides quite a bit, and the amount of light it reflects impacts a lot of plant and animals at night. So yes, 'messing with' the moon could have a very real impact on the earth.

Unless the moon changes its shape or changes its rotation path around the earth, there will be no additional impact on the earth. And right now, with the current technology, humans are unable to do something as drastic as that. Putting up a settlement on the lunar surface will not impact the life on earth in any big way. Grin

A settlement maybe , but what if we go back on testing things on the moon?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_A119

If something bigger would go out of control , probably we would end u with half a moon all the year.

Atomic bombs are puny nanoscale things compared to something the size of the Earth or the Moon.

To give an idea of the scale of things, mining one square kilometer of the moon's surface and extracting from the first couple meters aluminum and titanium would give us more of these two metals than is produced over the entire Earth in a year.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on May 28, 2014, 07:19:41 AM

Quote from: dogechode on May 27, 2014, 08:21:04 PM

I think he is referring to the fact that the moon has many documented effects on the earth. If I recall correctly it affects ocean tides quite a bit, and the amount of light it reflects impacts a lot of plant and animals at night. So yes, 'messing with' the moon could have a very real impact on the earth.

Unless the moon changes its shape or changes its rotation path around the earth, there will be no additional impact on the earth. And right now, with the current technology, humans are unable to do something as drastic as that. Putting up a settlement on the lunar surface will not impact the life on earth in any big way. Grin

A settlement maybe , but what if we go back on testing things on the moon?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_A119

If something bigger would go out of control , probably we would end u with half a moon all the year.

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Quote from: dogechode on May 27, 2014, 08:21:04 PM

I think he is referring to the fact that the moon has many documented effects on the earth. If I recall correctly it affects ocean tides quite a bit, and the amount of light it reflects impacts a lot of plant and animals at night. So yes, 'messing with' the moon could have a very real impact on the earth.

Unless the moon changes its shape or changes its rotation path around the earth, there will be no additional impact on the earth. And right now, with the current technology, humans are unable to do something as drastic as that. Putting up a settlement on the lunar surface will not impact the life on earth in any big way. Grin

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Quote from: Spendulus on May 27, 2014, 07:41:51 PM

Quote from: sana8410 on May 27, 2014, 10:43:20 AM

The problem is that if anyone starts messing with the Moon, drilling/fracking, storing nuclear waste, etc. this could damage the moon in such away that it could severely damage the earth. Remember, the moon is not like the earth and does not have the ability to repair itself.

I have no idea what you might be talking about or if you are joking.

The Moon is really nothing more than one big mining pit, if you look at the actual minerals and their geographical dispersion.

It's not even pretty.

I think he is referring to the fact that the moon has many documented effects on the earth. If I recall correctly it affects ocean tides quite a bit, and the amount of light it reflects impacts a lot of plant and animals at night. So yes, 'messing with' the moon could have a very real impact on the earth.

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Quote from: sana8410 on May 27, 2014, 10:43:20 AM

The problem is that if anyone starts messing with the Moon, drilling/fracking, storing nuclear waste, etc. this could damage the moon in such away that it could severely damage the earth. Remember, the moon is not like the earth and does not have the ability to repair itself.

I have no idea what you might be talking about or if you are joking.

The Moon is really nothing more than one big mining pit, if you look at the actual minerals and their geographical dispersion.

It's not even pretty.

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The problem is that if anyone starts messing with the Moon, drilling/fracking, storing nuclear waste, etc. this could damage the moon in such away that it could severely damage the earth. Remember, the moon is not like the earth and does not have the ability to repair itself.

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Quote from: Nemo1024 on May 27, 2014, 10:20:52 AM

ISS saw it's fair share of accidents as well. This stuff does happen:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Space_Station_maintenance

Regarding the Moon, though, it is ripe for nations to exploit with fully robotic machines in large numbers. The development and deployment of such equipment would enormously accelerate AI and robotics.

However at present we have no clue how to operate through the heat of a lunar day or the cold of a lunar night. From this aspect Mars is much, much friendlier.

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Quote from: Littleshop on May 13, 2014, 03:53:33 PM

SpaceX is profitable right now without any reuse of rocket parts. Most people think SpaceX is on the verge of being able to reuse the first stage of their rocket which will cut the cost of flight down (for them) nearly 50%. 9 out of 10 rocket engines are in the first stage.

As SpaceX increases its launch rate and gets re-use going it will have the highest profit in the rocket industry bar none. SpaceX will also have the highest operational payload to orbit with the Falcon Heavy which is not much more then a ganged version of a rocket they are already flying. This is possible because they have mastered LOW COST liquid propulsion and have gone away from lower tech solid rockets.

50% is not a realistic figure, not to mention how previous american programs that were based on reusing parts failled hard so what would make SpaceX any different (usually the parts are either lost, are way too damaged to be resused...? also spaceX program is very limited in terms of capacity right now, maybe things will change when the Falcom Heavy rocket is operational.

But I like the principal of the Falcom rocket, simplifying things make them cheaper and more reliable, hence cost efficient

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ISS saw it's fair share of accidents as well. This stuff does happen:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Space_Station_maintenance

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