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legendary
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August 06, 2023, 08:12:45 AM
#52
Over the past 123 years, the Russian ruble has defaulted three times. What is the probability of a fourth default?

Why are you talking about the Russian ruble in particular? Basically every fiat currency is a more or less a scam.
Do you think that the US dollar, Euro, Chinese Yuan and British pound are better? I don't think so.
I remember some news from 2022, claiming that Russia was in a technical default(unable to pay it's foreign debts due to the western sanctions). Well, this didn't have any obvious impact over the Russian economy. Russia has big currency reserves(some of them are blocked in western banks) and low government debt. I don't think that Russia will go bankrupt anytime soon(and I'm not a fan of Putin).



The issue is the real value and providing value to the currency.
For example, the U.S. does not have all the world's reserves of natural resources, but the dollar is still the most desirable currency, and the most liquid.

The Russian ruble looked pretty good until 2014, it's true and it's silly to deny it. "Supported" the ruble:
- Oil and gas
- Powerful military-industrial complex
- Russia's high international status
- Sufficiently deep integration into the world economy, especially into the EU economy
- Sufficiently good relations with leading Western countries.

After 2014 this began to "melt", and after 2022 - simply collapsed ! And the whole problem is that russia has driven itself into the worst position of all time - now it is a pariah country, the government is a toxic contact, the army is a fake, the economy is a fake, a terrorist country,.... In short the full gentleman's kit.... mega-loser! And the trends in russia and its economy are not positive at all.
That's why the ruble looks so bad now, and in a quarter - let's revisit the issue, I'm sure you will have no questions and doubts about the ruble.
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August 06, 2023, 05:28:40 AM
#51
Over the past 123 years, the Russian ruble has defaulted three times. What is the probability of a fourth default?

Why are you talking about the Russian ruble in particular? Basically every fiat currency is a more or less a scam.
Do you think that the US dollar, Euro, Chinese Yuan and British pound are better? I don't think so.
I remember some news from 2022, claiming that Russia was in a technical default(unable to pay it's foreign debts due to the western sanctions). Well, this didn't have any obvious impact over the Russian economy. Russia has big currency reserves(some of them are blocked in western banks) and low government debt. I don't think that Russia will go bankrupt anytime soon(and I'm not a fan of Putin).
legendary
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August 05, 2023, 04:27:22 AM
#50
Over the past 123 years, the Russian ruble has defaulted three times. What is the probability of a fourth default?

The Ruble is probably more protected that previous situations, because Putin made an active attempt to build up reserves and cut as much debt as possible before he decided on the disastrous attempt at invading Ukraine. However the world has only become more globalized in the last few decades, so it's impossible to cut off ties completely and ultimately nobody now wants to touch the ruble at all. That means in order to trade and buy exports from other countries, they have to offer other things or a very unfavorable rate, if they can even get past the sanctions that are currently imposed. At the moment the Russian economy is slowly disintegrating and the reserves have pretty much disappeared. Instead of selling at premium rates to their next door neighbors, they are having to accept dismal trades and cover long distance transport costs too.


"We do not have an external debt", "Yes, look at the external debt of the United States"!
The eternal theme for intellectual masturbation in Russia Smiley Well, how else to convince yourself that everything is fine with you, or rather justify that around you is "good", although you yourself understand that this is the level of a third world country Smiley

Here are the countries with even less external debt:
Venezuela 0 billion USD
Burundi May 2023 0.614 billion USD
Swaziland Q1/23 USD 0.814 billion
Lesotho Q3/22 USD 0.818 billion
Liberia Q1/23 USD 1.136 billion
Botswana Q3/22 USD 1.271 billion
Chad Q4/16 USD 1.36 billion
Belize 2022 1.363 B USD
Guyana Q4/22 USD 1.572 billion
......

Russia Q2/23,348 billion USD

Tell me - do you really believe that the minimum amount of external debt speaks of a high standard of living? Or about economic stability? Smiley

Well, the question is about the stability of the steering wheel - name the list of countries conducting transactions in rubles, and the turnover of this trade in rubles? Smiley
legendary
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August 05, 2023, 03:46:36 AM
#49
Over the past 123 years, the Russian ruble has defaulted three times. What is the probability of a fourth default?

The Ruble is probably more protected that previous situations, because Putin made an active attempt to build up reserves and cut as much debt as possible before he decided on the disastrous attempt at invading Ukraine. However the world has only become more globalized in the last few decades, so it's impossible to cut off ties completely and ultimately nobody now wants to touch the ruble at all. That means in order to trade and buy exports from other countries, they have to offer other things or a very unfavorable rate, if they can even get past the sanctions that are currently imposed. At the moment the Russian economy is slowly disintegrating and the reserves have pretty much disappeared. Instead of selling at premium rates to their next door neighbors, they are having to accept dismal trades and cover long distance transport costs too.
legendary
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August 05, 2023, 03:25:17 AM
#48
Russian Ruble is a scam just like the USD. Back in the 70’s USD defaulted too when they removed the USD from the gold standard. Right now every FIAT currency is a scam because nothing is backing them. The central banks can create FIAT out of thin air unlike gold which you need to work hard to get it from the ground. Don’t be so hopeless though, every FIAT currency in history failed and that means any FIAT currency in existence right now will also fail.

Quite a controversial comparison Smiley
Tell me - in what currency do ...Russian aligarchs and the Kremlin top brass have most of their savings? I'll give you a hint - in dollars Smiley
And tell me - what famous people keep their savings in rubles ? Can't name them ? So no one can name Smiley
Or another question - in international trade, what currency everyone wants to receive - dollar or ruble ? Smiley
Perhaps in some sense all fiat is a fake. But there is a fake that has international support and demand (US dollar), and there is a real scam, or rather worthless and really, nothing secured papers (Russian ruble).
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August 04, 2023, 05:35:37 PM
#47
No i Couldn't think Russian Ruble is scam. After start Russia Ukraine War Russian Ruble has been more popular and more strong. Now a days many country using ruble for trading with Russia. Because Russia did it mandatory to trade means import export with Russia. So ruble now very strong. Mainly European Union dependent on russian gas. They are buying gas from Russia by Ruble. So i thinl day by day ruble being strong not scam.
The aim of those Russian measures, by imposing the use of the ruble for trade exchanges with it, is a response to its withdrawal from the Swift system, before it decided at a later time to stop gas supplies through pipelines. Russia knew that this option could not be pursued, because it is almost impossible for countries to provide that amount of liquidity in the ruble.
The ruble generally has a good position in the global market as one of the strongest major currencies, and even in the reality of the international crisis that Russia is currently going through, the BRICS countries with Russia's strategic allies around the world will not stop supporting it. This is within the framework of the anti-dollar policy as well.
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August 04, 2023, 05:03:22 PM
#46
The possibilities of default of the Russian ruble do not make "scam" to the official and consolidated currency of a nation, it may be a volatile currency negatively at present but to assert it as a scam is too severe, it is like saying that an entire country does not exist or that it was falsely created only to profit and that is too far-fetched, beyond this and as mentioned in other answers, it is necessary to separate feelings from reality and above all in the socio-economic aspects of any analysis, and with this to understand that the Russian ruble is an aspect linked to a nation that in this particular case will see its currency plummeting because the West punishes in this way the actions that do not serve its interests whenever it has the possibility.
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August 04, 2023, 04:49:49 PM
#45
Over the past 123 years, the Russian ruble has defaulted three times. What is the probability of a fourth default?
It’s not but its a fiat currency where the government have the full control.
Failing currency doesn’t mean a scam one as this is still their commodity and currency. If you’re not using Ruble then don’t stress yourself with this because fiat currency will always experience inflation and the worst is, getting defaulted which came from the poor government system. Let’s see if they will rise this time as the USD is showing its weakness for the past Months and many are predicting the rise of the BRICS countries.
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August 04, 2023, 04:01:38 PM
#44
No i Couldn't think Russian Ruble is scam. After start Russia Ukraine War Russian Ruble has been more popular and more strong. Now a days many country using ruble for trading with Russia. Because Russia did it mandatory to trade means import export with Russia. So ruble now very strong. Mainly European Union dependent on russian gas. They are buying gas from Russia by Ruble. So i thinl day by day ruble being strong not scam.
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August 04, 2023, 08:47:05 AM
#43
Financial problems that occur with Ruble also occur a lot with other countries, but I'm sure that the Russian government will do everything to be able to make Rubles normal again, and we who hold Rubles don't worry because everything will get better soon.
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August 02, 2023, 03:22:45 PM
#42
Ruble is not a scam the default in the currency doesn't male it a scam,since we know the reason behind it. The ongoing war and sanction of Russia from the western world has led  to the default in Ruble. With all the sanctions and ongoing war,Russia economy is still far better than some European countries because Russia has abundant of gas. I don't see this default as some drastic,since almost every country currency do default. No currency used by a government is scam. Russia needs to stop the ongoing war and embrace peace for the betterment of their economy.
       Yes, there is a lot of gas in Russia, but no one wants to buy it anymore because of the same economic blockade. Europe has almost completely abandoned this Russian resource and buys from others. It is already known that 50% of income from this source does not go to the treasury.
        For the default. So he has been several times in recent years. The country could not fulfill its obligations to investors. Somehow they got out, but these are prerequisites for something terrible. It seems to me that there is still more to come.
Russia is supported by its allies to overcome its economic and financial crisis imposed by Western sanctions. These allies are essentially the BRICS alliance, which includes major economies capable of absorbing Russian exports. Two days ago, it was announced that Indian imports from Russia reached their highest levels in their history, and Chinese imports of Russian energy products also reached record levels. We do not fail to mention that these surpluses of imports are acquired at very low prices compared to prices in the global market, but it seems that this does not bother Russia due to its huge production and its ability to meet its needs at low prices. In addition to Russia controlling a large part of the Ukrainian economy and targeting its vital facilities to increase demand and raise the price in the global market, and I mean especially grain.

From the outside, it looks exactly as you say. But if you look behind the scenes.
To begin with, I agree with you - the BRICS countries have indeed taken over a significant part of Russia's exports. And now let's clarify what and how? Smiley
To be more precise, let's start with what was Russia's main export before it unleashed the terrorist war in Ukraine ?
More than 50% of russia's exports were:
- oil+gas
- military industrial products
- metals

Any comments on these export items ? I am sure - no, because everything is in open sources.

And what of the key export items have the BRICS countries "taken for themselves"?

1. Gas. Off target. The BRICS countries did not pick up the gas exports that the EU has now refused to buy. Russia's backward gas transportation network does not allow it.
2. Oil. Here I agree. India and China have extremely increased their purchase of Russian oil. But this is the funniest story Smiley Oil is bought at huge discounts and paid for with yuan and rupees! But that's half the comedy. The main comedy is that these rupiahs and yuan cannot be converted into a currency that is critically important to russia. It is impossible to turn these pieces of paper into something critically important - both China and India sell only consumer goods for their currency.
3. The military-industrial complex - this is a simple fact. The largest buyer of Russian scrap metal, having seen its "effectiveness" in a real war, and not on advertising brochures, broke virtually ALL contracts with Russia - from joint development to the purchase of finished products.
4. Metals ? Look who are the leaders in the EXPORT of metals ? Who are the EXPORT leaders ?.... Drum roll !!! China and India ! Smiley Question - even if they will buy metal from Russia - what price will it be, given their leadership in the industry ?

So on the one hand you are right, but the reality is far from positive Smiley

I agree with you that Russia may not fully benefit from the attempts of its BRICS allies to support it during the war, and that it remains limited support. However, I would like to correct a few points you mentioned:
- In addition to the three materials that you mentioned, you forgot the Russian production capacity of grains, which together with the Ukrainian production represent nearly a third of the global production. With grain supplies cut off from Ukraine, imagine Russia's chances of selling wheat at a higher price.
- China imports liquefied gas from Russia by 50 percent of its total imports of liquefied gas and is in the process of preparing a gas pipeline that extends across Siberia. Russian gas supplies have increased significantly since January 2022.
- India cannot provide much support because of its geographical location far from Russia and its ability to provide its gas needs from its Asian neighbors, and oil from the Gulf countries across the Indian Ocean.
- Russian weapons are popular with all countries wishing to get rid of the authority of America and the West over them. Here I mean African countries and other countries that have an international presence, such as North Korea, Eritrea, Iran, and others.

If we eliminate the idea that this aid does not provide sufficient support, can you explain to us how Russia supports its military position by not stopping and continuing the war?
legendary
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August 01, 2023, 01:18:11 AM
#41
Ruble is not a scam the default in the currency doesn't male it a scam,since we know the reason behind it. The ongoing war and sanction of Russia from the western world has led  to the default in Ruble. With all the sanctions and ongoing war,Russia economy is still far better than some European countries because Russia has abundant of gas. I don't see this default as some drastic,since almost every country currency do default. No currency used by a government is scam. Russia needs to stop the ongoing war and embrace peace for the betterment of their economy.
       Yes, there is a lot of gas in Russia, but no one wants to buy it anymore because of the same economic blockade. Europe has almost completely abandoned this Russian resource and buys from others. It is already known that 50% of income from this source does not go to the treasury.
        For the default. So he has been several times in recent years. The country could not fulfill its obligations to investors. Somehow they got out, but these are prerequisites for something terrible. It seems to me that there is still more to come.
Russia is supported by its allies to overcome its economic and financial crisis imposed by Western sanctions. These allies are essentially the BRICS alliance, which includes major economies capable of absorbing Russian exports. Two days ago, it was announced that Indian imports from Russia reached their highest levels in their history, and Chinese imports of Russian energy products also reached record levels. We do not fail to mention that these surpluses of imports are acquired at very low prices compared to prices in the global market, but it seems that this does not bother Russia due to its huge production and its ability to meet its needs at low prices. In addition to Russia controlling a large part of the Ukrainian economy and targeting its vital facilities to increase demand and raise the price in the global market, and I mean especially grain.

From the outside, it looks exactly as you say. But if you look behind the scenes.
To begin with, I agree with you - the BRICS countries have indeed taken over a significant part of Russia's exports. And now let's clarify what and how? Smiley
To be more precise, let's start with what was Russia's main export before it unleashed the terrorist war in Ukraine ?
More than 50% of russia's exports were:
- oil+gas
- military industrial products
- metals

Any comments on these export items ? I am sure - no, because everything is in open sources.

And what of the key export items have the BRICS countries "taken for themselves"?

1. Gas. Off target. The BRICS countries did not pick up the gas exports that the EU has now refused to buy. Russia's backward gas transportation network does not allow it.
2. Oil. Here I agree. India and China have extremely increased their purchase of Russian oil. But this is the funniest story Smiley Oil is bought at huge discounts and paid for with yuan and rupees! But that's half the comedy. The main comedy is that these rupiahs and yuan cannot be converted into a currency that is critically important to russia. It is impossible to turn these pieces of paper into something critically important - both China and India sell only consumer goods for their currency.
3. The military-industrial complex - this is a simple fact. The largest buyer of Russian scrap metal, having seen its "effectiveness" in a real war, and not on advertising brochures, broke virtually ALL contracts with Russia - from joint development to the purchase of finished products.
4. Metals ? Look who are the leaders in the EXPORT of metals ? Who are the EXPORT leaders ?.... Drum roll !!! China and India ! Smiley Question - even if they will buy metal from Russia - what price will it be, given their leadership in the industry ?

So on the one hand you are right, but the reality is far from positive Smiley



legendary
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July 31, 2023, 10:52:49 PM
#40
Russian Ruble is a scam just like the USD. Back in the 70’s USD defaulted too when they removed the USD from the gold standard. Right now every FIAT currency is a scam because nothing is backing them. The central banks can create FIAT out of thin air unlike gold which you need to work hard to get it from the ground. Don’t be so hopeless though, every FIAT currency in history failed and that means any FIAT currency in existence right now will also fail.
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July 31, 2023, 10:25:21 PM
#39
Over the past 123 years, the Russian ruble has defaulted three times. What is the probability of a fourth default?
123 years ago in America for 1 dollar you could buy 1 pair of good shoes, but what can you buy for 1 dollar now. Probably a glass of Coca Cola Smiley The monetary base in America has increased by almost 2000 times in 123 years and America has no way to pay off its domestic and foreign debts. The ruble looks even more stable.
Fiat currencies are unstable by nature, now we may argue about which one of them is the best of the lot, but at the end this is a useless discussion as all of them are terrible for the average citizen.

It is because of this that the ultra rich keep just enough money in hand in order to keep their businesses working, but the rest of their wealth is invested in hard assets, this way if the economy happened to collapse and fiat went down with it they will be barely affected by it.
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July 27, 2023, 10:55:53 PM
#38
Over the past 123 years, the Russian ruble has defaulted three times. What is the probability of a fourth default?
123 years ago in America for 1 dollar you could buy 1 pair of good shoes, but what can you buy for 1 dollar now. Probably a glass of Coca Cola Smiley The monetary base in America has increased by almost 2000 times in 123 years and America has no way to pay off its domestic and foreign debts. The ruble looks even more stable.

Well, inflation is a reality. All the fiat currencies around the world are losing their value with every passing year, as the governments are resorting to printing unlimited amounts of banknotes to provide freebies and subsidies to the population. US Dollar sill has the best protection against inflation, because it is the trade and reserve currency of the world. But Russian Ruble doesn't have any such protection. It has lost more than two-third of it's value (against the USD) during the last decade. And as long as the war goes on, it will continue to decline.
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July 27, 2023, 05:29:06 PM
#37
Over the past 123 years, the Russian ruble has defaulted three times. What is the probability of a fourth default?
123 years ago in America for 1 dollar you could buy 1 pair of good shoes, but what can you buy for 1 dollar now. Probably a glass of Coca Cola Smiley The monetary base in America has increased by almost 2000 times in 123 years and America has no way to pay off its domestic and foreign debts. The ruble looks even more stable.
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July 27, 2023, 03:52:41 PM
#36
Ruble is not a scam the default in the currency doesn't male it a scam,since we know the reason behind it. The ongoing war and sanction of Russia from the western world has led  to the default in Ruble. With all the sanctions and ongoing war,Russia economy is still far better than some European countries because Russia has abundant of gas. I don't see this default as some drastic,since almost every country currency do default. No currency used by a government is scam. Russia needs to stop the ongoing war and embrace peace for the betterment of their economy.
        Yes, there is a lot of gas in Russia, but no one wants to buy it anymore because of the same economic blockade. Europe has almost completely abandoned this Russian resource and buys from others. It is already known that 50% of income from this source does not go to the treasury.
        For the default. So he has been several times in recent years. The country could not fulfill its obligations to investors. Somehow they got out, but these are prerequisites for something terrible. It seems to me that there is still more to come.
Russia is supported by its allies to overcome its economic and financial crisis imposed by Western sanctions. These allies are essentially the BRICS alliance, which includes major economies capable of absorbing Russian exports. Two days ago, it was announced that Indian imports from Russia reached their highest levels in their history, and Chinese imports of Russian energy products also reached record levels. We do not fail to mention that these surpluses of imports are acquired at very low prices compared to prices in the global market, but it seems that this does not bother Russia due to its huge production and its ability to meet its needs at low prices. In addition to Russia controlling a large part of the Ukrainian economy and targeting its vital facilities to increase demand and raise the price in the global market, and I mean especially grain.
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July 25, 2023, 08:24:57 PM
#35
The question is... Can this not be applied to ALL Fiat currencies?

How many times have governments around the world manipulated the "value" of their local currencies? How many countries have bailed out the Banking system with tax payers money to rescue them from a total collapse? (USA being at the forefront of those kinds of actions)

Since 1933, the U.S. dollar has lost 92 percent of its domestic purchasing power.... do you think the US Dollar are also a scam or is this just the natural future of all Fiat currencies?

They are all the same... corrupted to the bones. It's impossible to count how many times have governments manipulated all markets, bailed out fallen banks, and extracted money from different funds... on a daily basis over decades. I guess this list is endless.

And I think that any kind of repair is impossible, this world that is growing so fast needs something new and better, if it can save us from damned politicians and banks and all those people in suits.
Corruption does not have anything to do with it, fiat currencies were created from the beginning with the intention of cheating everyone which holds the currency.

Back in the day when gold coins were used, coins were either clipped, which means a part of the coin was cut as a form of tax, or there was debasement on the materials used to make the coins, however both of those changes were too obvious and everyone knew what is going on, fiat currencies are just an extension of the same concept, it is just that the truth is hidden a little bit better, but with the internet and the free flow of information some people are starting to notice the fiat system itself is a scam.
legendary
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July 25, 2023, 05:02:46 PM
#34
Over the past 123 years, the Russian ruble has defaulted three times. What is the probability of a fourth default?

The entire fiat money system is a scam, scheme, "long con" etc. Sure, you can look specifically at Russia, while I can look specifically at the U.S., or Europe, Britain, China, etc.

Every fiat money system is doomed to fail the moment that central banking is introduced and next when there is nothing backing the currency. You will never be able to pay the interest that you are owing to the bank on the first dollar that is lent. For example, if $1 is lent to a government at 1%, interest, will the $0.01 come from if that is the only $1 that exists? The same principle applies at scale.

USD have had their defaults, including the global financial crisis and the great depression, as well as crisis' in between. Other fiat currencies are ongoing largely irresponsible monetary policy, including USD, GBP, EUR, AUD, CAD, and more that are controlled by the west. The east have gained dominance in economic power however themselves and the rest of the globe using fiat currencies will all experience the same fate.

You are correct, the entire centralized monetary system is a scam on a large scale but backed by the government, so it is not listed as a scam. But it's confusing that the OP only mentioned the Russian ruble and ignored the currencies of other countries. I was also about to ask OP as panganib999 mentioned, maybe he lost too much in forex trading and came here to blame the Russian ruble, LOL.

LOL. That is a good theory for why he only mentioned the ruble and not the others :")
A darker opinion, is that he is still under the veil of the lies of his government. All governments lie to their citizens to keep the veil over their heads, the longer they keep it up, the less likely there will be local disbelief in their own country, leadership and money.

But no matter what, though this monetary system is a scam and it is killing our lives every day because of its devaluation. We will continue to use it and cannot give it up completely even if we already have bitcoins. But as long as we use them wisely, don't hold them too much, don't trust them too much, and always diversify into other assets, there should be no problem.

Exactly. The best thing you can do with money is use it for other value-retaining/store of value assets so that you don't get caught in the mess on the day that confidence is lost in money, and it rapidly declines to being worth nothing. We are almost there already....but what people don't realize that once it is worth 0, it becomes impossible to use.

It's not possible for a stock, bitcoin, or any other asset/currency that has intrinsic value outside of confidence to go to...but once fiat loses all confidence, it's just paper and worth nothing more than that.
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July 25, 2023, 08:44:23 AM
#33
As others have mentioned, the last default was due to sanctions, and I would even say that it's just a default on a technicality. Russian ruble defaulted not because Russian didn't have enough money to pay the foreign debt obligations; they couldn't pay in the right currencies because of the sanctions.
So yeah, it can happen again, but unfortunately, I don't think there's a big impact from that. And as for the real situation, Russian economic policies managed to keep the currency afloat, although the ruble has been steadily losing its value against the USD this year.
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