Topic: Russian ruble is scam - page 8. (Read 2259 times)

Are you really sure that Osama Ben Laden was behind 9-11? Do you know that he was very much surprised when he heard that he was being searched by CIA for 9-11 attack?
Do you know that 9-11 was an inside job carried out by CIA? And again I see that you were duped by MSM of the West, my dear friend...

Afganistan was hosting a terrorist leader who did attack USA.  When that leader moved to Pakistan an operation recovered his body and there was no war.  How would that compare to Ukraine and there being any point to this war, I wish there was some end to it.

That point is only relevant to this thread is by way of saying governments will waste money endlessly, they didnt earn it and its easy to spend and waste on something like war.   Killing people is not productive in any way, nobody is gaining from the current wars.  It would seem to be mostly about ego.

FIAT can only be used short term or it leads to lost money.   At some point I think that leads to bond markets relied on by the largest debtor nations not continuing easily.  Probably higher interest rates and a higher apparent cost to everyone, debt is never free it always costs someone.

Markets recently noticed both China and Russia both hold gold as a way of circumventing the normal FIAT and debt markets.   It would be a harsh switch if gold did raise in significance as its a plain commodity not diluted, leveraged, etc

And all because Putin wanted to go down in history as a great conqueror on the level of Hitler, and the Russian people actively supported him in this. Just like Hitler before, he threw countless columns of tanks and armored vehicles into Ukraine without declaring war. To date, according to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, 470,870 military personnel have become irretrievably lost to Russians, 7,332 tanks, 14,096 armored vehicles, 12,044 artillery systems, 1,053 MLRS, 784 air defense systems, 26 warships and boats and other military equipment have been destroyed. But the Russians still have to pay for the atrocities and genocide of the Ukrainian people.

I beieve that you are pretty much misinformed about the real situation in Ukraine, what actually happened there and why Putin started this war.
First of all the Ukrainian nazies wh came to power in Ukraine in a coup in 2014 started the policy of killing Russian speaking Ukrainians. Ukraine has always been a part of Russia and the USSR from times immemorial and a lot of Russians live in the eastern part of Ukraine and you can imagine that all these Russian speaking people have been endangered by the neonazies in Ukraine. These neonazies have been educated by the US CIA special operations whereby the main aim of the CIA was to divide Ukraine and start a civil war in Ukraine.
The Russian speaking people living in the eastern provinces of Ukraine did not want to be killed and live under the new nazi regime. So they decided to seceed from Kiev. But the nazies in Kiev did not accept that and sent an army to the eastern part of Ukraine (Donetsk, Lugansk). Fortunately the nazies have not been able to subjugate the eastern provinces of Ukraine and they started to bombshell this territory starting from 2014.
All these 10 years starting from 2014 these killers and murderers have been firing at this territory which caused deaths of many Russian speaking people.
It was a civil war inside Ukraine that killed mostly Russian speakng people who did not deserved to be killed.
Of course CNN and other media of disinformation will never tell you the truth like I do.
They will always be telling you that Putin is like Hitler whereas in fact the new Hitler is Zelensky and the nazies.
By the way all these neo nazies un Ukraine are descendants of those who fought in WW2 on the side of fascist Germany.
The main reason that Putin invaded Ukraine is the fact that the US neocons wanted Ukraune to join NATO and and they were going to place US military bases in Ukraine so that NATO would expand to Ukraine and it was a very big threat to Russia.
In fact we could say that Biden provoked putin to make the first move. Putin could not act otherwise when he saw that the US was planning to place US forces inside Ukraine very close to the heart of Russia.
This was unacceptable.
One more thing.
The US neocons including Biden are very happy that this war is going on in Ukraine. They are well aware of the fact that most of the Ukrainians are in fact Russians and they deem it worthwile that a war has started in which the Russians are killing themselves in this war.
All these things that you write about in your message is utter nonsence. But I understand that it was written by someone whi has been  duped by the neocon propaganda. I hope that you reread this message a t least a few times and may be from now on you will start to understand what's really going on in Ukraine.
Also I suggest you watch al least a few videos by colonel McGregor  on Youtube. He knows the truth and speaks openly about it.
    

Russia continues to invest all its funds in the war of aggression against Ukraine and its main reserve - the National Welfare Fund - is being reduced very sharply.
In the coming years, according to the International Monetary Fund, Russia will continue to lose its position in the ranking of countries in the world in terms of living standards. The Russian Federation already ranks 68th in the world in terms of GDP per capita, which is considered an indicator of the level of economic activity and quality of life of citizens.

Last year, the Russian economy generated just $13,648 in GDP per capita. This is 6 times less than the USA ($81,632), 4 times less than Germany, and almost 10 times less than Luxembourg ($129,810). Over the past 10 years, GDP per capita in the Russian Federation has decreased by 16%. As a result, in the world rankings Russia was on the same level with Mexico ($13,642) and below Panama ($18,725), Argentina ($14,024), Bulgaria ($15,854) and Hungary ($22,146).

In the next three years, according to IMF forecasts, Russian GDP will grow by only 11% to $15,146. As a result, Russia will let Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan advance. By 2029, Russian GDP per capita will be $15,683 – 15% less than in Kazakhstan ($18,396) and Turkmenistan ($18,202).

https://www.unian.net/world/rossiya-upadet-nizhe-turkmenistana-po-urovnyu-zhizni-uzhe-cherez-tri-goda-mvf-novosti-mira-amp-12623451.html

And all because Putin wanted to go down in history as a great conqueror on the level of Hitler, and the Russian people actively supported him in this. Just like Hitler before, he threw countless columns of tanks and armored vehicles into Ukraine without declaring war. To date, according to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, 470,870 military personnel have become irretrievably lost to Russians, 7,332 tanks, 14,096 armored vehicles, 12,044 artillery systems, 1,053 MLRS, 784 air defense systems, 26 warships and boats and other military equipment have been destroyed. But the Russians still have to pay for the atrocities and genocide of the Ukrainian people.

It is foolish to deny reality, and say that the dollar is not subject to inflation. The graph shows perfectly well what happened to it during this period. But you forget that over the same period many "strong currencies" died out completely. The German mark - can I show you a 20 MILLION mark bill ? With which you could buy bread, but no more. And 2 years before that the German economy was powerful and the mark was expensive. And the same ruble - how many reforms with cutting off "extra zeros" did it go through? Take even the last "stable period" from 2000 to today - how many times has the ruble depreciated in 20 years?  Provided that Russia is the largest supplier of hydrocarbons to the market ? Can you tell similar stories about the dollar ? So let's "measure the commensurable".

The USD will remain the most stable currency for many years to come but it would be a bit political to say that the Russian currency is a scam and the USD is still a trustworthy currency. Ever since we got to know bitcoin, we've been able to see how bad and evil fiat can be. So it can be said they are all the same, all currencies are scams.

I know we have a lot of people who support the US government and also a lot of people who support the Russian government. But we're just discussing, so we need to be honest and realistic, don't get too excited on one side and talk bad about the other.

Yes, it is true that many other fiat currencies have been losing their value in comparison to the US dollar. This depreciation can be influenced by various factors such as inflation rates, economic stability, geopolitical events, and interest rate differentials between countries.
National currencies can rise in price relative to other currencies if a country's export volume is ahead of its import volume. But if the state does not devalue the national currency in relation to the dollar, then enterprises will not be competitive in the world market.

Although there are still some national currencies that still perform quite well, if their nature is still centralized and controlled by the government, devaluation is inevitable. Because as long as the economy has a problem and the government immediately prints more money to solve it, it is only a matter of time before the fiat currency depreciates. All currencies are scams but backed by the government so they are always considered legit.

And dansus021 is right, we can't do anything and will continue to use them like it or not. But with the advent of the concept of decentralization, we will be less dependent on fiat, and that is happening like de-dollarization is happening.

There is no doubt that the US Dollar has lost it's purchasing power very steeply over the years. But at the same time, other fiat currencies have performed even worse. Almost 99% of the other fiat currencies are losing their value against USD in the long run. Swiss Franc is a rare exception, were a fiat currency retains its purchasing power even better than the USD. Singapore Dollar and Brunei Dollar are other examples, but these currencies are not very popular. Japanese Yen used to perform well, but in recent times it has also gone down against the USD.

Not Just Ruble but pretty much all fiat is a scam it is made from paper and backed by thin air and the government keeps printing it.

But we can't do anything in fact I'm still using it  So funny Fiat Money is the greatest Magic on earth but here we are.

Here Example of US Dollar



See what is going on  but dont afraid we had government and every problem has a solution 

What argument? You're over-complicating things! Anyone with basic pc skills can google the fake image you posted find out when it first appeared online and what's wrong with it. Btw, you can find it above in one of my posts.

You see, nobody can check the "fact" that your were in territorial defense and you were wounded. It's like your words only. And nobody believes the words of the forums #1 liar! 

There was not much fighting going on near Kiev. Was it an air strike? Even if it's not a lie and you were wounded, why you're not back in service? More than half a year (9 months) later? Was it some serious injury? Some brain damage perhaps? 

If I'm lying - make an argument and OPPOSE it
But... I don't expect an answer, because you have nothing to say except reprinting rashist propaganda broadcasts.
Or do you want to refute the hysteria in the Central Bank of Russia ? The Russian Ministry of Economy? The urgent calls by the pathetic international criminal Putin to "stabilize the economy". I read and watch news from the terrorist country all the time. And I don't see any positivity from the Russian government, except hysterics and deep not understanding why things are so bad just read their OFFICIAL media ! You think I write them ?

And yes, I am still helping the heroic AFU to destroy the cancer of the modern world - RASHISM. In 2022 I spent 9 months in the ranks of the Territorial Defense, was wounded, and since December 2022 demobilized. But I continue to assist the defenders of Ukraine as much as possible - financially, technically and consultatively.... Why didn't you go to war against "dollarization, NATO, the West, ..." and other propaganda nonsense ? Tell me another fairy tale story ?!!  

I don't even have anything to say/comment. The proof is there right above this post. You are either blind or retarded. All this post of yours is a 100% lie. Not a single word of truth. This fake was refuted millions of times, you can check when this image first appeared online.

Btw, you're not fighting against Russians yet? Why is that? Your Ukrainian brethren are dying in Donbas but you're trolling here on bitcointalk? Not very patriotic right? 

Let's start with simple - refute, and prove that the photo I provided, and the fact itself - is a FAKE ?
If you can't prove it with arguments - you are a liar, and a primitive manipulator
And so - we are waiting for your "proof", and then we will continue the dialog. But I'm sure you as well as the majority of fans of the Russian world, now you will make up some stupid excuse and "move out" of the dialog. The reason is banal - you simply do not like the truth, and love fairy tales.
Your second problem is that I love the truth, which is easy to prove with facts. So I can easily prove to you that the above image, and the event itself takes place, happened recently, and is actually recorded
Yes, I know that there are a lot of fakes, many are just making fun of the "great Russia", so before publishing such facts, I check them.

And so, no time to waste - your answer to my question - your proof that I published a "fake", or rather that this photo is a fake ?  I look forward to it !

All the best to you, and a productive search for "proof" 

Haven't you heard the story? There was a traitor among the high-standing Russian military who informed the CIA or military intelligence and Ukraine knew exactly that Russia was going to attack, when and where. He sold them all the plans. Russian army was marching in columns, with many of the latest tanks and best fighters completely unprotected. The US provided Javelin ATGM and UA soldiers were waiting in ambush, attacking and destroying hundreds of Russian tanks. The US provided satellite images and Starlink internet to let Ukrainians track all the Russian army moves. Russian elite fighters went on a suicide mission to Hostomel airport, were blocked there and eventually destroyed by the Ukrainian army. Again, this was known beforehand and Ukrainian knew everything that was going to happen. Every step of it. Without that US support (can't call it support really, more like a proxy war) things would have looked exactly as you described above.    


I generally agree, but to me both Bitcoin as a currency and Bitcoin as an investment look important. Bitcoin is a multi-purpose tool, a Swiss army knife of the world of finance.

I'd say it's highly likely chief. Russia is too big and rich in culture and vodka and crazy fucking bears drunk on vodka to fail so bad and become 3rd world country. You guys will be fine currently you're just Putin it all on the ruble though 😉

I actually wasn't aware of this happening.  I would say this is a strong case that shows just how much of a "super power" Russia is not.  We all thought they were going to go in to Ukraine and wipe them out over night, but it wasn't even close.

All fiat money has become a scam.  It's completely manipulated by the government/federal reserves and banks.  This is why I wish more people would focus on bitcoin as a currency rather than an investment.

While Russian has China as a ally, I think it would be very difficult for the regime to change or there will be a political change in the Kremlin. China is such a giant in economical terms and if Pekin finds convenient for the Russian regime to continue to exist, they could manage to pull off some plan so the Russian people won't ever notice inflation in a very drastic way, like we see in other countries like Venezuela and Argentina.

That is the difference, the direct backing of China can single-handily hold on the consequences of inflation and the isolation from the global markets or at least the markets controlled by the United States and its allies.   

As soon as Xi stops supporting Putin, then the downfall of Russia would be a matte of time, in my opinion.

It's actually widely known but since you distribute fake images and facts, why would I even try to convince you about something you don't want to know about even if the facts are right here.
Again, I'm not going to discuss politics as it isn't the topic and I just don't want to. The topic is about Russia and their currency, which is why I was replying to your false facts from illegitimate sources.

Why are you sharing your "knowledge" about Russia if you are in Ukraine? How can your false claims be accepted while I can't say something about Ukraine(even though I am only talking about the war)?
Of course you don't know. You don't see the wider picture and you never will, you're just listening what you are told.

Anyways, hope you are well and have a great day.