Topic: SafeDICE.com ★ Bitcoin Dice ★ Monero ★ 0.5% Edge ★ Fast Cashout ★ Since 2014 - page 119. (Read 275856 times)
September 03, 2015, 02:54:03 PM
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September 03, 2015, 11:36:27 AM
woah a 'dicey' player! look at that initial drop!!! congratz to making it back!!
September 03, 2015, 02:38:23 AM
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Whether you played on one IP or on 300, it wouldn't have made a difference to your rolls. Why is that so hard to understand?
(1)Then why did it keep blocking my IP when I was betting on 5 different accounts at the same time? (1.2)How can I be gambling on 20 bots on PRC for over a month until he changed base bet, and I try the same thing on safedice and lose on 2 out of 5 bots in less than 30 minutes? That makes NO SENSE unless they somehow take in to account how many bots I'm using per IP.
(2)I feel like they implemented it this way to counter people like me trying to bet the same time on multiple accounts. Something screwed up I'm telling ya man I'm not stupid, ignorant , or crazy.
(3)Say I lost 50 times in a row, and the next bet was going to be a win if you were betting on one account. But say you were betting on 2 accounts at the same time, the next bet was definately a win, but the 2nd account win at 1 sat base, when it needed a higher bet to recover. So you get the win on account #2, and the next 10 bets are losses that will cause you to bust on account #1. The 2nd account took over the win that should have been a recovery bet for the 1st account.
(4)Why is this impossible to happen? It makes perfect sense to me. I'm not saying my rolls were rigged, I'm saying it won so much on other accounts, that it caused some accounts to hit improbable loss streaks.
(5)It took wins that should have been on the account that needed to recovery, and gave them to an account that didn't need the wins. I know for a fact this is the case, but w/e I don't know how to prove it without dissecting their source code.
(6)You can also look at it this way.... I busted on one account, and got small wins on another accounts that should have been big recovery wins for the account I busted on (wins on other accounts ruined my line for recovery)....... it never should have busted so fast regardless. I've been using 1 bot on safedice for a month now and hasnt even come CLOSE to busting like these did in less thn 30 min prob more like 15 min......... sorry bro but you are missing something.
(1)Because there is a limit to the amount of times a single IP can make API calls. This is a big problem for my chatbot because it means it can't collect all of the bets it needs for drawing the charts and sometimes even misses some chat messages. This has nothing to do with the amount of accounts or your strategy. If you take one account and spam more than 2 bets per second for about 5 seconds, you'll start getting errors.
(1.2)Because you had extremely bad luck.
(2)No, They implemented it this way to reduce the effects of a DDOS attacks.
(3)No. If you lost 50 bets at a 50% chance to win, you have a 50% of winning the next bet. Previous rolls have no influence on the outcome of future rolls. That's not how chance work. You should read up about gamblers fallacies.
(4)That's probably the biggest fallacy I've ever heard, but i hardly understand what you're saying, so i can't really say anything to argue against your point.
(5)This doesn't make sense either. Your rolls are independent of all previous rolls, account, person, site and anything other than chance. And no. If you knew it for a fact, you already had proof. If you don't have proof, it's a theory that you feel very strongly about.
(6)again, the only "should've" in gambling is a "should've" about not gambling. Chance is a funny thing and anything can happen. No matter how many times you've lost in a row on how many different accounts, your next bet has the exact same chance of losing as your first bet. I'm not missing anything. It's as simple as, you had some bad luck that day.
Your arguments are getting more and more nonsensical by the day, so from now on, I'm going to try my best to just leave it to others to argue with you over your fallacies.
September 03, 2015, 01:21:11 AM
You are completely missing the point... why is this so hard to understand? PRC predetermines your bets based off your account only. Safedice will predetermine your bets based on IP< so if you are betting on more than one account at a time, it will predetermine bets based off your IP, so your probabilities and bets won't line up how you would expect them too.
Why is this so hard to understand? 20 bots running for a month with maybe 1 busting each week vs. 5 bots running for 30 minutes having 2 bust. Regardless of whether you can lose, I shouldn't have lost so quickly from the base bet I was using.
I'm not questioning the provably fair, I'm questioning how the site interprets your rolls. I knew this was the case so I'm stupid for trying to recover a measily .2 loss that turned into a 2 btc loss, but running more than one bot on safedice FUCKED ME and it pisses me off cause its just some programming discrepancy and my lack of self control.
Why is this so hard to understand?
Why is this so hard to understand? 20 bots running for a month with maybe 1 busting each week vs. 5 bots running for 30 minutes having 2 bust. Regardless of whether you can lose, I shouldn't have lost so quickly from the base bet I was using.
I'm not questioning the provably fair, I'm questioning how the site interprets your rolls. I knew this was the case so I'm stupid for trying to recover a measily .2 loss that turned into a 2 btc loss, but running more than one bot on safedice FUCKED ME and it pisses me off cause its just some programming discrepancy and my lack of self control.
Why is this so hard to understand?
I am not really sure what you want to say in the bold part. If you have no problem with the provably fair system on the site, then you should understand the rolls are based on your server seed, client seed and nonce. The rolls have nothing to do with your IP, and you can verify the bets to see if the site has modified the rolls.
September 03, 2015, 01:07:15 AM
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Whether you played on one IP or on 300, it wouldn't have made a difference to your rolls. Why is that so hard to understand?
Then why did it keep blocking my IP when I was betting on 5 different accounts at the same time? How can I be gambling on 20 bots on PRC for over a month until he changed base bet, and I try the same thing on safedice and lose on 2 out of 5 bots in less than 30 minutes? That makes NO SENSE unless they somehow take in to account how many bots I'm using per IP.
I feel like they implemented it this way to counter people like me trying to bet the same time on multiple accounts. Something screwed up I'm telling ya man I'm not stupid, ignorant , or crazy.
Say I lost 50 times in a row, and the next bet was going to be a win if you were betting on one account. But say you were betting on 2 accounts at the same time, the next bet was definately a win, but the 2nd account win at 1 sat base, when it needed a higher bet to recover. So you get the win on account #2, and the next 10 bets are losses that will cause you to bust on account #1. The 2nd account took over the win that should have been a recovery bet for the 1st account.
Why is this impossible to happen? It makes perfect sense to me. I'm not saying my rolls were rigged, I'm saying it won so much on other accounts, that it caused some accounts to hit improbable loss streaks.
It took wins that should have been on the account that needed to recovery, and gave them to an account that didn't need the wins. I know for a fact this is the case, but w/e I don't know how to prove it without dissecting their source code.
You can also look at it this way.... I busted on one account, and got small wins on another accounts that should have been big recovery wins for the account I busted on (wins on other accounts ruined my line for recovery)....... it never should have busted so fast regardless. I've been using 1 bot on safedice for a month now and hasnt even come CLOSE to busting like these did in less thn 30 min prob more like 15 min......... sorry bro but you are missing something.
Mate, you got to understand that every single roll is completely independent.
There is no correlation between any two rolls, any two accounts, any two rolls in any two accounts.
I do think you have been extremely unlucky (because from what I know you got busted really fast). But your explanation is based on what is termed as gambler's fallacy. Wins on one account has no relation with wins on another account.
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(wins on other accounts ruined my line for recovery)
is a comment which may seem right to you, but it is not.I hope you understand what I mean.
Thanks
September 03, 2015, 12:55:53 AM
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Whether you played on one IP or on 300, it wouldn't have made a difference to your rolls. Why is that so hard to understand?
Then why did it keep blocking my IP when I was betting on 5 different accounts at the same time? How can I be gambling on 20 bots on PRC for over a month until he changed base bet, and I try the same thing on safedice and lose on 2 out of 5 bots in less than 30 minutes? That makes NO SENSE unless they somehow take in to account how many bots I'm using per IP.
I feel like they implemented it this way to counter people like me trying to bet the same time on multiple accounts. Something screwed up I'm telling ya man I'm not stupid, ignorant , or crazy.
Say I lost 50 times in a row, and the next bet was going to be a win if you were betting on one account. But say you were betting on 2 accounts at the same time, the next bet was definately a win, but the 2nd account win at 1 sat base, when it needed a higher bet to recover. So you get the win on account #2, and the next 10 bets are losses that will cause you to bust on account #1. The 2nd account took over the win that should have been a recovery bet for the 1st account.
Why is this impossible to happen? It makes perfect sense to me. I'm not saying my rolls were rigged, I'm saying it won so much on other accounts, that it caused some accounts to hit improbable loss streaks.
It took wins that should have been on the account that needed to recovery, and gave them to an account that didn't need the wins. I know for a fact this is the case, but w/e I don't know how to prove it without dissecting their source code.
You can also look at it this way.... I busted on one account, and got small wins on another accounts that should have been big recovery wins for the account I busted on (wins on other accounts ruined my line for recovery)....... it never should have busted so fast regardless. I've been using 1 bot on safedice for a month now and hasnt even come CLOSE to busting like these did in less thn 30 min prob more like 15 min......... sorry bro but you are missing something.
September 03, 2015, 12:20:09 AM
woah, quick and dirty elol, congrats!
September 02, 2015, 03:21:41 PM
I am really digging the aesthetics of this! Font and background really feel smooth and crisp.
I'll definitely have a go at this some time!
I'll definitely have a go at this some time!
September 02, 2015, 02:43:12 PM
First of all, gambling is gambling. Some days you're lucky, other days you're not, some days you win, others you lose. That's how gambling works. Today, you just had some bad luck and lost. Get over it.
Secondly, PRC and safedice uses an almost identical provably fair method. From PRC:
You are completely missing the point... why is this so hard to understand? PRC predetermines your bets based off your account only. Safedice will predetermine your bets based on IP< so if you are betting on more than one account at a time, it will predetermine bets based off your IP, so your probabilities and bets won't line up how you would expect them too.
Why is this so hard to understand? 20 bots running for a month with maybe 1 busting each week vs. 5 bots running for 30 minutes having 2 bust. Regardless of whether you can lose, I shouldn't have lost so quickly from the base bet I was using.
I'm not questioning the provably fair, I'm questioning how the site interprets your rolls. I knew this was the case so I'm stupid for trying to recover a measily .2 loss that turned into a 2 btc loss, but running more than one bot on safedice FUCKED ME and it pisses me off cause its just some programming discrepancy and my lack of self control.
Why is this so hard to understand?
You clearly don't understand how the provably fair algorithms work. Each account has its own server seed, its own client seed, and its own nonce, which means it predetermines the rolls based solely on each account, exactly like PRC. You can check your rolls to verify this if you don't believe me. Whether you played on one IP or on 300, it wouldn't have made a difference to your rolls. Why is that so hard to understand?
There's no "Shouldn't have" in gambling other than "I shouldn't have gambled". It's chance, anything can happen. Why is this so hard to understand?
Edit: And there I went and got myself involved again... *sigh*
September 02, 2015, 02:36:16 PM
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I really don't get what you're trying to say. but I'm quite sure that neither safedice nor prc are fucking with your rolls.
I never said they were.... I'm saying that if you are playing on multiple accounts on safedice with the same IP it affects your rolls regardless of the account you are using. So you can have all your losses on one, while winning on the other, and if you are playing with a strat that is based of probabilities and recovering after a big loss streak it can fuck that up using more than one account. You can hit all your wins on one and all losses on the other causing you to lose big no matter what.
Safedice tracks your bets by IP, not ACCOUNT..... LOL why is this so complicated to understand wtf... I lost to some bullshit on how the site is programmed, that has nothing to do with provably fair....... it merges all your acounts on the same ip into one account essentially so you can't bet on more than one at a tim succesffully unless you maybe just use autobets in browser maybe that would work but I got fucked eitherway.
September 02, 2015, 02:09:50 PM
First of all, gambling is gambling. Some days you're lucky, other days you're not, some days you win, others you lose. That's how gambling works. Today, you just had some bad luck and lost. Get over it.
Secondly, PRC and safedice uses an almost identical provably fair method. From PRC:
You are completely missing the point... why is this so hard to understand? PRC predetermines your bets based off your account only. Safedice will predetermine your bets based on IP< so if you are betting on more than one account at a time, it will predetermine bets based off your IP, so your probabilities and bets won't line up how you would expect them too.
Why is this so hard to understand? 20 bots running for a month with maybe 1 busting each week vs. 5 bots running for 30 minutes having 2 bust. Regardless of whether you can lose, I shouldn't have lost so quickly from the base bet I was using.
I'm not questioning the provably fair, I'm questioning how the site interprets your rolls. I knew this was the case so I'm stupid for trying to recover a measily .2 loss that turned into a 2 btc loss, but running more than one bot on safedice FUCKED ME and it pisses me off cause its just some programming discrepancy and my lack of self control.
Why is this so hard to understand?
I really don't get what you're trying to say. but I'm quite sure that neither safedice nor prc are fucking with your rolls.
September 02, 2015, 10:42:14 AM
First of all, gambling is gambling. Some days you're lucky, other days you're not, some days you win, others you lose. That's how gambling works. Today, you just had some bad luck and lost. Get over it.
Secondly, PRC and safedice uses an almost identical provably fair method. From PRC:
You are completely missing the point... why is this so hard to understand? PRC predetermines your bets based off your account only. Safedice will predetermine your bets based on IP< so if you are betting on more than one account at a time, it will predetermine bets based off your IP, so your probabilities and bets won't line up how you would expect them too.
Why is this so hard to understand? 20 bots running for a month with maybe 1 busting each week vs. 5 bots running for 30 minutes having 2 bust. Regardless of whether you can lose, I shouldn't have lost so quickly from the base bet I was using.
I'm not questioning the provably fair, I'm questioning how the site interprets your rolls. I knew this was the case so I'm stupid for trying to recover a measily .2 loss that turned into a 2 btc loss, but running more than one bot on safedice FUCKED ME and it pisses me off cause its just some programming discrepancy and my lack of self control.
Why is this so hard to understand?
August 31, 2015, 06:12:07 PM
DON"T use this bot more than once on safedice........... http://prntscr.com/8b4moy
been usin 20 bots on prc until dean changed it to 100 sat min base bet cuz of me, try on here and i fuckin lose on 5 bots within 2 hours, fuck this shit why do i always getFUCKED the hard way!
It takes into account your IP and makes it one big account instead of have predetermined bets on each separate account like PRC..... I got fucked, thanks dean, and thanks safedice for being vaguely different I knew this would fucking happen but fuck, always some asshole trying to screw you! I could tell you were watchin my every bet I knew I should have tried PD or just quit you guys are all scumbags!
been usin 20 bots on prc until dean changed it to 100 sat min base bet cuz of me, try on here and i fuckin lose on 5 bots within 2 hours, fuck this shit why do i always getFUCKED the hard way!
It takes into account your IP and makes it one big account instead of have predetermined bets on each separate account like PRC..... I got fucked, thanks dean, and thanks safedice for being vaguely different I knew this would fucking happen but fuck, always some asshole trying to screw you! I could tell you were watchin my every bet I knew I should have tried PD or just quit you guys are all scumbags!
Usually I stay out of these debates, but the ridiculousness of this one is just too high to let it slide.
First of all, gambling is gambling. Some days you're lucky, other days you're not, some days you win, others you lose. That's how gambling works. Today, you just had some bad luck and lost. Get over it.
Secondly, PRC and safedice uses an almost identical provably fair method. From PRC:
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When you first visit the site we generate a random string of characters on the server used as your Server Seed. A new server seed can be generated by you before you roll.
A SHA-512 hash of the server seed is shown to you before you bet to prove we can't change it.
When you bet we get a Client Seed you supply (one is auto generated by your browser that you can change).
We take the server seed, client seed and the number of rolls that you have used the current server seed for in the format: n:s:n, n:c:n. Where n is the number of rolls, s the server seed and c the client seed. We take the HMACSHA512 hash of that. We convert the first 5 characters of the hash to decimal and that is your roll.
Sometimes the first 5 characters will not result in a number we can use and so we loop through the next 5 characters 6-10, 11-15 etc until we find one. The code for this is below.
A SHA-512 hash of the server seed is shown to you before you bet to prove we can't change it.
When you bet we get a Client Seed you supply (one is auto generated by your browser that you can change).
We take the server seed, client seed and the number of rolls that you have used the current server seed for in the format: n:s:n, n:c:n. Where n is the number of rolls, s the server seed and c the client seed. We take the HMACSHA512 hash of that. We convert the first 5 characters of the hash to decimal and that is your roll.
Sometimes the first 5 characters will not result in a number we can use and so we loop through the next 5 characters 6-10, 11-15 etc until we find one. The code for this is below.
From Safedice:
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o generate your rolls, first we combine your client seed, your server seed, and your bet number:
combination = nonce + ':' + client_seed + server_seed + ':' + nonce
Then, we apply SHA512() twice to hash that combination. That gives us a 128 character hex string:
hash = SHA512(SHA512(combination))
We then take the first 5 characters of that combination hash and convert them to decimal number ranging from 0 to 1,048,575 (16^5-1). If it is less than 1 million, we divide it by 10,000 and use it as your roll outcome. Otherwise, repeat using the next five characters. We will be able to repeat the process up to 25 times.
In very rare case none of the 25 trials are lower than 1 million when converted to decimal, we use the remaining 3 characters and convert it as your roll number. The chance of this event is negligible (48576/1000000)^25.
combination = nonce + ':' + client_seed + server_seed + ':' + nonce
Then, we apply SHA512() twice to hash that combination. That gives us a 128 character hex string:
hash = SHA512(SHA512(combination))
We then take the first 5 characters of that combination hash and convert them to decimal number ranging from 0 to 1,048,575 (16^5-1). If it is less than 1 million, we divide it by 10,000 and use it as your roll outcome. Otherwise, repeat using the next five characters. We will be able to repeat the process up to 25 times.
In very rare case none of the 25 trials are lower than 1 million when converted to decimal, we use the remaining 3 characters and convert it as your roll number. The chance of this event is negligible (48576/1000000)^25.
Literally the ONLY difference between the two methods are that PRC uses n:s:n as message and n:c:n as key with a hmacsha512 and safedice uses n:cs:n and sha256 to generate a hash. You can verify these rolls the same way you can verify the rolls at prc. In fact, you can even use my bot to do so. Check under view -> roll verifier. Then you can use the bet history window to check the roll numbers. I openly invite you to verify these rolls. If you have any trouble, forward me your DiceBot.db files and I'll check them for you and post the results here. If you can provide proof that they scammed you instead of you just having some bad luck, I'll personally investigate and back you in your claims if I find similar results.
The idea of a site making one big account based on your IP is ridiculous in itself. Your account seeds would get completely messed up and it would be extremely easy for someone to PROVE that they are scamming, instead of just ranting like you are now. There would be skipped nonces, or one bet made using one seed and another using another seed and then the first again on the first account. Or your roll's wouldn't verify to the seeds and nonces they should have.
Thirdly, You seem to be under the impression that you have a winning strategy that can beat the house edge. That's not how gambling works. If a casino has a 1% house edge, will lose 1% of everything you wager eventually. And the longer you play, the more likely it becomes, the closer to 1% you get. That's not what this bot is for. Botting is just a fun way to make dice more interesting. If you're mad that you lost 1.38 btc while gambling, you shouldn't have been gambling with that money.
Bottom line, you're a sore loser that doesn't understand how gambling works.
I've had my say and I don't intend on participating in this ridiculous discussion any further
For future references, please keep the scam accusations of sites on their own threads and off of this one. This one is specifically to discuss the bot. I follow the threads of all the sites supported by the bot. If I see something that merits it, I'll remove that site from the bot.
August 31, 2015, 05:47:25 PM
DUDE THIS IS BULLSHIT MAN HOW THE FUCK DID I LOSE SO FAST!? I have been bettin 2 sat base for over 4 months on PRC< and they raised their MIN bet cuz of me, I come to your site, try the same shit and I lose INSTANTLY!
You fucking tracked my IP i could tell cuz it kept freezing and I've NEVER lost that FAST EVER! FUCK YOU MAN FUCKIN SCAMMER BITCH I WANT My 2 BTC BACK U FUCK
You fucking tracked my IP i could tell cuz it kept freezing and I've NEVER lost that FAST EVER! FUCK YOU MAN FUCKIN SCAMMER BITCH I WANT My 2 BTC BACK U FUCK
First, Prc and now SD. Whats next in your list, PD?
Bahahaha Don't gamble if you can't handle the heat little girl
nah 999 dice was before, i can stand the heat i just cant stand bullshit liars, cheaters and scammers, you fuckin scumbags have an excuse for EVERYTHING!
Well you can try other dice sites.
August 31, 2015, 05:37:28 PM
DUDE THIS IS BULLSHIT MAN HOW THE FUCK DID I LOSE SO FAST!? I have been bettin 2 sat base for over 4 months on PRC< and they raised their MIN bet cuz of me, I come to your site, try the same shit and I lose INSTANTLY!
You fucking tracked my IP i could tell cuz it kept freezing and I've NEVER lost that FAST EVER! FUCK YOU MAN FUCKIN SCAMMER BITCH I WANT My 2 BTC BACK U FUCK
You fucking tracked my IP i could tell cuz it kept freezing and I've NEVER lost that FAST EVER! FUCK YOU MAN FUCKIN SCAMMER BITCH I WANT My 2 BTC BACK U FUCK
First, Prc and now SD. Whats next in your list, PD?
Bahahaha Don't gamble if you can't handle the heat little girl
nah 999 dice was before, i can stand the heat i just cant stand bullshit liars, cheaters and scammers, you fuckin scumbags have an excuse for EVERYTHING!
August 31, 2015, 05:26:26 PM
DUDE THIS IS BULLSHIT MAN HOW THE FUCK DID I LOSE SO FAST!? I have been bettin 2 sat base for over 4 months on PRC< and they raised their MIN bet cuz of me, I come to your site, try the same shit and I lose INSTANTLY!
You fucking tracked my IP i could tell cuz it kept freezing and I've NEVER lost that FAST EVER! FUCK YOU MAN FUCKIN SCAMMER BITCH I WANT My 2 BTC BACK U FUCK
You fucking tracked my IP i could tell cuz it kept freezing and I've NEVER lost that FAST EVER! FUCK YOU MAN FUCKIN SCAMMER BITCH I WANT My 2 BTC BACK U FUCK
First, Prc and now SD. Whats next in your list, PD?
Bahahaha Don't gamble if you can't handle the heat little girl
August 31, 2015, 04:09:19 PM
OK How the fuck am I betting on PRC for over a month without losing, I come to your site, try the same thing, and I lose 1.8 btc in less than 2 hours? HOW THE FUCK IS THAT POSSIBLE?
Are you for real? Is a this a serious question? You were not aware that you can lose by gambling?
not like i was, this site is different, it tracks your IP and predermines the bets on that, i fyou make multiple accounts it will treat each account like one big account.... what a fucking SCAM
http://prntscr.com/8b4moy
Only 16 wins? Must be betting on 100x or something similar. It is Provably fair and you can check every bet for fairness.
August 31, 2015, 03:45:27 PM
OK How the fuck am I betting on PRC for over a month without losing, I come to your site, try the same thing, and I lose 1.8 btc in less than 2 hours? HOW THE FUCK IS THAT POSSIBLE?
Are you for real? Is a this a serious question? You were not aware that you can lose by gambling?
not like i was, this site is different, it tracks your IP and predermines the bets on that, i fyou make multiple accounts it will treat each account like one big account.... what a fucking SCAM
http://prntscr.com/8b4moy
August 31, 2015, 03:44:39 PM
DUDE THIS IS BULLSHIT MAN HOW THE FUCK DID I LOSE SO FAST!? I have been bettin 2 sat base for over 4 months on PRC< and they raised their MIN bet cuz of me, I come to your site, try the same shit and I lose INSTANTLY!
You fucking tracked my IP i could tell cuz it kept freezing and I've NEVER lost that FAST EVER! FUCK YOU MAN FUCKIN SCAMMER BITCH I WANT My 2 BTC BACK U FUCK
You fucking tracked my IP i could tell cuz it kept freezing and I've NEVER lost that FAST EVER! FUCK YOU MAN FUCKIN SCAMMER BITCH I WANT My 2 BTC BACK U FUCK
August 31, 2015, 03:42:46 PM
OK How the fuck am I betting on PRC for over a month without losing, I come to your site, try the same thing, and I lose 1.8 btc in less than 2 hours? HOW THE FUCK IS THAT POSSIBLE?
Are you for real? Is a this a serious question? You were not aware that you can lose by gambling?
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